Canuuk's Baby Sealing Season Starts

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TonyC
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2 Apr 2008 11:40pm
Discusting practice to be occurring in todays world.

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hoop
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3 Apr 2008 7:27am
Bastards
knot board
knot board
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3 Apr 2008 10:42am
It's a poor pratice but also poor reporting.
That picture is photoshopped.
rattman
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3 Apr 2008 11:21am
bit of poetic justice. 3 of the sealers died during the hunt
poor relative
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3 Apr 2008 10:19am

Much better

stribo
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3 Apr 2008 12:22pm
Whats the difference a nail or a bullet to the head??? Neither always kill first time everytime...what would you want them to do capture the seals and give them leathal injection...come on.Just take a look at our kangaroo culling operations or live sheep exports if you want to see barbaric...
Do you fish Tonyc? Ohhh thats right fish don't have feelings so its ok to catch them on a hook and then snap their necks with our bare hands...or have you used a mouse trap or ratsac????
I think it because the seals are cute that people get all upset when they see them clubbed but a snake in the back yard they run for the shovel......
People have to make a living and not all of us get to choose what we do.Where there is a demand for something people will find a way to get it.
stribo
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3 Apr 2008 12:43pm
poor relative said...


Much better




Pissing myself reli
TonyC
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3 Apr 2008 11:33am
Far better pic Reli.

Stribo: I agree with what you say - however life is all about degrees - there is no black and white - humans live in the range in between. Everything is a compromise between economics (including putting food on the table) and environment that we want to leave for our kids. We also need to be made aware of the outliers (extremes) to keep us centred in the middle. I just think the practice of sealing is way past its time from an acceptability viewpoint; like whaling, killing big cats for their furs, elephants just for tusks etc. Though I accept elephants, roos etc do need culling from time to time in certain regions due to over population - again it is a balance thing. I have not heard that these seals are becoming overpopulated.
Mobydisc
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3 Apr 2008 3:13pm
Seals would be pretty close in intelligence to dogs. Germans call seals seadogs and I think Chinese do too. Its not right to whack a dog or puppy over the head with a club. However people commit far worse acts to dogs.

I agree with what Stribo says, some people have no choice for what they can do for a living. There isn't much out there in the arctic besides ice and baby seals.

Maybe all those complaining should send a cheque to the Canadian government and the money can be disbursed to the seal hunters in lieu of whacking seals to death.
rattman
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3 Apr 2008 2:48pm
Mobydisc said...

Seals would be pretty close in intelligence to dogs. Germans call seals seadogs and I think Chinese do too. Its not right to whack a dog or puppy over the head with a club. However people commit far worse acts to dogs.

Yes and if caught are charged/fined and possibly jailed


I agree with what Stribo says, some people have no choice for what they can do for a living. There isn't much out there in the arctic besides ice and baby seals.

Using that as an argument you could justify anything, drug dealing and slave trade


Maybe all those complaining should send a cheque to the Canadian government and the money can be disbursed to the seal hunters in lieu of whacking seals to death.

Somebody did
Cathy Kangas of PRAI Beauty Offers Canadian Govt. 16 Million$ to Cover Money Made by Baby Seal Slaughter if Ends Now: Canada Declines
Article:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4884132.stm

Depending on who/what you believe, the cull is protect the over fished atlantic cod.

There are several others countries culling these seals (iceland, norway and russia)

I dont have issues with the killing of animals for food and stuff, but clubbing something is not the way to do. Dont care who you are clubbing something is not human.
evlPanda
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3 Apr 2008 4:02pm
I couldn't do it. Guy in the picture can and does. That's the way it is.

If you're a veggo I'm hearing you. If not just shutup, you're a hypocrite.

Go see how your beef is slaughtered. They know something bad is gonna happen, complete terror for the poor animals, blood, smell of death everywhere.

I'd rather go like the seal - Ooh, nice day. What's that eh? (Canadian seal) Thud.

PS, I like steak.
harrytesties
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3 Apr 2008 1:33pm
evlPanda said...

I couldn't do it. Guy in the picture can and does. That's the way it is.

If you're a veggo I'm hearing you. If not just shutup, you're a hypocrite.

Go see how your beef is slaughtered. They know something bad is gonna happen, complete terror for the poor animals, blood, smell of death everywhere.

I'd rather go like the seal - Ooh, nice day. What's that eh? (Canadian seal) Thud.

PS, I like steak.

p.e.t.a.........meat eaters, each to their own, but when a life becomes nothing more than commodity, "advanced" lifeforms, whom charge themselves with the "ownership" and "management" of all other life, need to quickly realise, economics........ is not natural, and has no place in a natural world
wave knave
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3 Apr 2008 1:43pm
rattman said...

bit of poetic justice. 3 of the sealers died during the hunt


you may not like the hunt,
but its NOT illegal.
have some respect,
its a tough life there.

monster
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3 Apr 2008 4:58pm
evlPanda said...

I couldn't do it. Guy in the picture can and does. That's the way it is.

If you're a veggo I'm hearing you. If not just shutup, you're a hypocrite.

Go see how your beef is slaughtered. They know something bad is gonna happen, complete terror for the poor animals, blood, smell of death everywhere.

I'd rather go like the seal - Ooh, nice day. What's that eh? (Canadian seal) Thud.

PS, I like steak.


well said evil if you think thats barbarick you should see how they stun pigs and do sheep
TonyC
TonyC
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3 Apr 2008 2:19pm
I hear what you are saying guys, the same I suppose goes for the traditional Japanese fishing villagers that net dolphins to kill and eat, and the tuna fishermen whom "dispose" of the dolphins in their nets when there are methods to release them, and the whalers. I eat meat and won't change that but am against the seal hunting. Hypocritical - hmmm maybe.

As for the reasons behind the seal culling being because of over fishing by humans - well nature does self correct in the sea to some extent at the top end of the food chain and there would be less seals produced in the wild if they don't have enough prey -it sounds like it is more about protecting the remaining fishing stocks for human consumption as much as possible whilst keeping the fish in existence rather than really protecting the natural fish stocks. It is funny how people use tradition as a reason - change - that is what the world is about especially if the natural world is to survive to a great extent going forward - hell you guys are the first to complain about carbon emmissions, pollution etc etc and how we need to change - maybe here is another case - but no, maybe you think those traditions are more important eh. And to use the excuse that what we do in abbatoirs is more barbaric - maybe it is , but you are old enough to know that using one wrong as an excuse for another is no excuse.

It is all about the balance between the natural world and economics - unfortunately that balance has been too one sided and we are gradually realising the consequences (over fishing etc). One thing to remember we grow (farm) animals for food to feed our ever growing population, the grown for food animals are not wild and wouldn't be in existence otherwise. The question I think comes down to how far we are willing to go in our food and clothing varieties, given what is happening in the natural world.

Anyway, enough from me sorry for another outburst - I need to head out and get a bigger board so I can sail for a change (been 2 months) and get some "serenity"
stamp
stamp
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3 Apr 2008 4:30pm
TonyC said...



but you are old enough to know that using one wrong as an excuse for another is no excuse.....

....One thing to remember we grow (farm) animals for food to feed our ever growing population, the grown for food animals are not wild and wouldn't be in existence otherwise.


whats that about 2 wrongs?

evlPanda
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3 Apr 2008 5:30pm
TonyC said...
Anyway, enough from me sorry for another outburst - I need to head out and get a bigger board so I can sail for a change (been 2 months) and get some "serenity"


Are you hinting at getting a Serenity? Really?

Starboard make some crazy stuff. I'd like to work there. I wonder what a tunnel hull slalom would go like?
TonyC
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3 Apr 2008 2:35pm
Hi Evil - no not actually a Serenity, just want to experience "ahh the serenity" regularly again so getting a bigger board to get planing in all this light sh^t. Fed up trying to plane in marginal conditions all the time - 80+kgs on a 90ltr board with just a little user technical fault - should solve it with a much wider board.

Need to hit the water and chill-out, get a little crazy without regular release. No not that kind - I get enough of that all ready, and also when my wife is in the mood
stribo
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3 Apr 2008 4:37pm
Human population has hit critical mass on this planet.We have past the point of no return.Without a major reduction in population there are no solutions to the earths problems.Basicaly we are up to our necks in sh!te....
But then as said in this post nature has a way of looking after it's self....and there won't be a single thing we can do about it when it does.....

Sorry for the doom and gloom...
harrytesties
harrytesties
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3 Apr 2008 2:39pm
we farm things for a profit, pure and simple, not to feed masses, pay attention to how much food is thrown away and how food crops are quickly becoming bio-fuel crops... there can be no balance between economics and nature, because economics is not natural...
evlPanda
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3 Apr 2008 5:50pm
TonyC said...
I get enough of that all ready, and also when my wife is in the mood


I see what you did there.
harrytesties
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3 Apr 2008 2:59pm
stribo said...

Human population has hit critical mass on this planet.We have past the point of no return.Without a major reduction in population there are no solutions to the earths problems.Basicaly we are up to our necks in sh!te....
But then as said in this post nature has a way of looking after it's self....and there won't be a single thing we can do about it when it does.....

Sorry for the doom and gloom...


rubbish rubbish rubbish, that is what the 'step on everyone to get what we tell you you need to be happy' mentality peddled to make us all believe there is no other way.... google.. alex jones' endgame... there is enough here on this planet for everyone many times over, what you are being fed is fear and lies...
Pugwash
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3 Apr 2008 3:04pm
harrytesties said...

we farm things for a profit, pure and simple, not to feed masses, pay attention to how much food is thrown away and how food crops are quickly becoming bio-fuel crops...




Sounds too true...

A few years back, US wheat farmers were struggling. The US government reacts and subsidises growing crops for bio-fuel, encouraging many of their farmers to grow bio-fuel crops rather than wheat... The result, we now have shortage of wheat, demand exceeds supply, the wheat price reacts and sky rockets... And bingo, farming wheat is now economically viable for US farmers, who by the way, are no where near as good as our Aussie farmers... Had to chuck that last bit in
Sailhack
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3 Apr 2008 6:23pm
stribo said...

Human population has hit critical mass on this planet.We have past the point of no return.Without a major reduction in population there are no solutions to the earths problems.


Maybe we shouldn't be just culling seals?

stribo
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3 Apr 2008 5:28pm
harrytesties said...

stribo said...

Human population has hit critical mass on this planet.We have past the point of no return.Without a major reduction in population there are no solutions to the earths problems.Basicaly we are up to our necks in sh!te....
But then as said in this post nature has a way of looking after it's self....and there won't be a single thing we can do about it when it does.....

Sorry for the doom and gloom...


rubbish rubbish rubbish, that is what the 'step on everyone to get what we tell you you need to be happy' mentality peddled to make us all believe there is no other way.... google.. alex jones' endgame... there is enough here on this planet for everyone many times over, what you are being fed is fear and lies...


So Dr Suzuki is wrong then?? and I thought he was a credible scientist...

Sailhack
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3 Apr 2008 6:40pm
Back to topic.....(sort-of)


The Australian fur seal (Arctocephalus pusillus doriferus) population was severely overexploited
during the commercial sealing era (1798-1825) and, while it has recovered to some
degree, it is currently only ca30% of the estimated pre-harvesting levels (Shaughnessy,
Kirkwood et al. 2002). Consequently, the commercial fishing industry in southern Australia
developed during a period of minimal competition with fur seals. Recent estimates of
population growth rates (6-20% per annum
depending on colony, (Arnould and Littnan 2000;
Littnan and Mitchell 2002; Shaughnessy, Kirkwood et al. 2002; Shaughnessy, Troy et al.
2000), however, indicate that Australian fur seal numbers are likely to reach pre-harvesting
levels within the next 20-30 years
(Goldsworthy, Bulman et al. in press). In addition, several
studies have indicated the Australian fur seal diet consists of >50% commercially targeted
fish and squid species (Gales and Pemberton 1994; Goldsworthy, Bulman et al. in press).
Accordingly, concerns have been expressed about the impact of the increasing fur seal
population on the ecologically sustainable development (ESD) of commercial fisheries
in the
area and the potential for increases in interactions between fur seals and fishing operations
(Goldsworthy, Bulman et al. in press; Hickman 1999; Hume 2000).


Maybe in the near future we'll be 'taking arms' against the seals here! They're fish thieving feral sea-dogs! Smelly, aggressive, nuisances....not to mention - scaring the crap out of me when w/surfing and one pops it head out of the water in front of me! (admittedly it was only 'half' a seal....even scarier!)



hoop
hoop
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3 Apr 2008 3:54pm
To the seal clubbers who died in the accident . SUCKED IN.
westozwind
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3 Apr 2008 4:04pm
Sailhack said...

Back to topic.....(sort-of)

Maybe in the near future we'll be 'taking arms' against the seals here! They're fish thieving feral sea-dogs! Smelly, aggressive, nuisances....not to mention - scaring the crap out of me when w/surfing and one pops it head out of the water in front of me! (admittedly it was only 'half' a seal....even scarier!)



You mean these thieving feral sea-dogs?



Scary, aint they
TonyC
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3 Apr 2008 4:20pm
Sailhack said...

Back to topic.....(sort-of)

Maybe in the near future we'll be 'taking arms' against the seals here! They're fish thieving feral sea-dogs! Smelly, aggressive, nuisances....not to mention - scaring the crap out of me when w/surfing and one pops it head out of the water in front of me! (admittedly it was only 'half' a seal....even scarier!)



But wouldn't you prefer there be seals around for the white pointers to munch on rather than us - although windsurfers would be 3rd/4th in line after surfers, kiters, swimmers etc. Hmm can you train a white pointer to only target kiters? [}:)]
Sailhack
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3 Apr 2008 8:53pm
TonyC said...

Hmm can you train a white pointer to only target kiters? [}:)]


Now there's a thought! Only one kiter here though, (that I know of...)so I know what he/she'd move onto next! Not many white pointers either.....a s@#tload of seals though!

westozwind, nice pics...I could find some of some 'cute' fox pups, or bunny-wabbits too, and a few carp.....all pests, (although all introduced.....not a good argument on my behalf, but you get my point). I don't have an issue with seals, and I definitely don't condone clubbing them!

I do have an issue with the blame that local commercial fishers have copped in relation to sustainable fish stocks, when seal population (locally) has increased tenfold over the past couple of decades....but that belongs in another thread.....I also don't like my biggest snapper & blue morwong stolen 2feet from my boat and thrown around like a rag doll, while during this the seals wave their tushies at me......(I swear they was saying nyah-nyah-na-nyah-nyah!)

Ever watched the episode of 'The Simpsons' where the dolphins take over Springfield......well, it's comin', but watchout it's the SEALS!!! It's getting silly now...I've got nothin'.

Richiefish
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3 Apr 2008 8:16pm
They're not killing baby seals to eat, they're killing them to make fur coats!!! So any comparison to cow killing(again) is codswallop. Just because we are all desensitised to farmyard animal slaughter, dosnt mean we have to accept the generalization of "kill one kill all". Me ? I hate it.
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