i dont think debate should stoop to people calling others childish names. all a bit silly really.......

Elroy Jetson said...





1) A group of people installed and wired up tonnes of high powered explosives in the WTC 7 during a certain time frame before 11/9/2001. It's very likely this was done in the months proceeding the planned explosion date.


2) The people that noticed/suspected suspicious activity at WTC 7 before September 11 were (insert names of individuals here).


3) WTC 1 and 2 fell down on 11/9/2001 and collapsed into rubble (officially because 2 planes crashed into them. Others say they fell down because of missile strike or bombs. Bottom line is: "they fell down")


4) The people who had control of the detonation button waited until both WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed.


5) The people who had control of the detonation button waited for several more hours to pass


6) Late in the day the explosives were detonated by (insert possible groups or machines responsible) using a computer controlled sequence.


7) WTC 7 fell down


8) No person was killed or injured due to WTC 7 collapsing

No response eh?

Sounds like its more fun to pull apart one small piece of the jigsaw in a haphazard way than to follow the sequence of events to find the complete picture.

Given this is the method of explanation, why would one be surprised that 'mainstream' don't get it?

'theory' we're dumb, or at least have a "lower IQ"?

This is so true, having worked on the land nearly all my life I have seen the way the multi national companies "condition" farmers/ growers year after year through propaganda and mental manipulation.
Without fail they will come up with every reason not to pay a reasonable price for the product being produced, an example is when I had my vineyards the large wineries would come out with these excuses, there's a "billion litres of wine in storage" when the drought hit the year after this billion litres magically dissapeared and they were running around buying any fruit they could fine but still not paying anything near cost of production for this fruit!
"The Aussie dollar is too high" when it was sitting around 70 cents at the time!

People on the land are treated and manipulated to the stage where they just got no fight in them and this is for a reason because the day the country "wakes up" and realises that they have more power than any government or army is the day the day government and multi nationals will fall to their feet.....you can't eat gold you can't eat money!!!

Flysurfer - a fragile grasp on reality..

I think, as a general rule, it's best to take the opposite stance on whatever you're arguing...

saltiest1 said...

petermac33 said...

saltiest1 said...




this topic has been covered before, and i will point out again that the towers were not built in the traditional way with a core being the main support structure.
external framing played a huge role in structural support, and when heated, and damaged, collapse is obvious.
to be able to obtain a ballanced opinion, you can not go looking for one answer to fit what you want to believe.

sorry saltiest, you have been had again.






all giant superstructures have central support columns,why because if they had none the horizontal beams would bend/sag. the distance from each end of the exterior horizontal columns would be too great.

how about you read what i wrote again without your own bias.
yes it had a core.
yes beams were there.
yes your bias is there.
here is just 1 site explaining the structure and FIRE RATING of 3 hours.
do you have a background in high rise construction? maybe design? hmmmmm i dont think so.
perhaps my background might have something to do with my point of view.
petermac, youve been had.

www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

Threre are plenty of qualified people who say other wise and why has it never happened before or again since. The video looks like a domolition job, so perfect?

FlySurfer said...


No buddy you got it all wrong... in light of the new evidence.

1.- Obama Bin Ladin, made the Allah Akbar chant via walkie talkie in a cave in Afghanistan on the 11-9-2001, cos NORAD posted on wikipedia their "training program" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_operations_and_exercises_on_September_11,_2001
So he knew the US wouldn't know what was going on.

2.- The chant started a Jihad, and sleeper cells all over the world woke up. 1 cell was learning to fly planes in Florida

3.- They caught flights to New York, and Hijacked the planes with Stanley knifes.

4.- Cos they'd been using the MS Flight Sim 2000, they knew how to accurately fly the the 767's

5.- Passengers were held back by the crazy jihadist and their Stanley knifes... actual some were the Bic $1 plastic knifes.

6.- Passengers made cell/mobile phone calls from 10,000ft explaining the situation

7.- Flight (what ever) crashed in to Tower 1 or 2.

8.- The flames spread out symmetrically across a couple floors and weakened steel floor support beams.

9.- Then another plane slammed in to the other tower, completely off centre with most of the fuel burning up in a massive fireball outside the structure

10.- The same process happen, again causing symmetrical weakening of beams... BUT this time faster because the Jihadist had learned from the other tower how to do it.

11.- So the least damaged and last hit had it's beam symmetrically give way 1st, causing the floors to pancake one on top of each other

12.- The pancake effect was SO strong that it caused a super heated sonic boom to cut through the central support columns
exhibit A:


13.- The sonic boom shockwave was so strong that it also spread down to the bottom of the building and bounced of the Earth and blew out each floor on its way to the top causing the building to fall at near freefall.

14.- This happened again with the other "Special" WTC buildings.

I would like to thank y'all for helping us figure the whole thing out.

There's work to be done, footy and women to watch, oh and BEER!

Why is it you are leaving out some of the known facts? Does it reinforce your viewpoint if you ignore them?

Didn't the hijackers go to a flying school, and actually spent time on a proper simulator? Probably a bit more realistic than MS flight sim. Without a take off or landing, is there much that can go wrong?

It also stands to reason that if you are hijacked with a threat to slice you up with knives, that you would not fight to the death. After all, until that point in time, all hijackers did was to redirect the flight and ask for money or something else.

It also stands to reason that the flight that did learn that the other planes had been used as missiles, apparently did fight back.

Why does everyone have a problem with heat weakening steel? Put a teaspoon in a gas burner on your stove for a while and see if you can bend it easier than if it was at room temperature. It's not that hard to understand is it?

What is a 'super heated sonic boom'? How can you heat something that is a sound wave?

felixdcat said...

I am no expert but I have two questions about building 7:
1 is it a fact that in high raising buildings floors are designed to support the weight of all the floors above?
2 Is hot rubbles and metal weight more than walls and cold metal?
I found it strange that if 5 floors damaged by heat collapse it would pancake the whole lot.
Just my low IQ making me curious!

If you stood upright and held two 10 or 20kg weights above your head, could you hold them there?

If someone dropped these same 10 or 20kg weights into your hands from a metre above you, could you hold them and stop them dropping?

I think a high rise building is meant to hold a certain static load. Not an impact load. They are designed for the materials to provide that support, but in this case I don't think they were designed to provide the same support using steel that had lost a significant amount of its strength from being heated.

doggie said...

@ Formula Nova -

What about navigaion equipment? It would take years to understand and use that equipment. You cant just look out the window to where you are going in these types of planes.

Ergo, the United States government made up a story where Islamic Radicals triumphed over the mighty USA, simply by hijacking planes and flying them into buildings, and just to add an even greater level embarrassment, the Government sent in a demolition team to topple the buildings post impact? Just because?

Meanwhile, global jubilation in Islamic communities occurs, because the USA has just been ass farked by some Faith Heads..

What kind of retarded Government meeting does somebody suggest a plan like this?? And how did they get thousands of people to go along with it, while staying silent for the rest of their lives?? It would take one person to spill the beans...

It wasn't an excuse to attack Iraq, USA had Iraq by the balls after the Gulf, it also wasn't an excuse to attack Afghanistan, America could have claimed that awful country after the Soviets left...

9/11 was a terrible event in the Nations history. Even if, hypothetically, that incompetent administration could do it, why??

Crop circles, UFO's, Roswell, Inside Job, lizzard people, Bunyips, 2012..

SomeOtherGuy said...


Wonder how much longer this thread will last before the mods pull it? This thread'll be the new Building 7!

Good question. I'm tossing up between 'now' and 'later'. There is an outside chance of 'bugger it, let it run', unless people start getting upset again. Or another mod beats me to it.

felixdcat said...

I am no expert but I have two questions about building 7:
1 is it a fact that in high raising buildings floors are designed to support the weight of all the floors above?
2 Is hot rubbles and metal weight more than walls and cold metal?
I found it strange that if 5 floors damaged by heat collapse it would pancake the whole lot.
Just my low IQ making me curious!

1/. Definitely not. It would be a completely impractical restraint on the design and would result in the useable floor space on the lower floors being zero due to the huge structural members required to hold up all floors above.


2/. No. Rubble and metal obviously weighs the same hot or cold.
The collapse was due to the design because once an internal collapse started, it was free to continue right down to the ground.
And once it started, since the floors were providing the cross bracing for the outer vertical structural members which were holding up the upper floors, the whole lot came down like a stack of cards.
There was nothing in any of it that required demolition charges or anything like that.

doggie said...

pweedas said...

felixdcat said...

I am no expert but I have two questions about building 7:
1 is it a fact that in high raising buildings floors are designed to support the weight of all the floors above?
2 Is hot rubbles and metal weight more than walls and cold metal?
I found it strange that if 5 floors damaged by heat collapse it would pancake the whole lot.
Just my low IQ making me curious!

1/. Definitely not. It would be a completely impractical restraint on the design and would result in the useable floor space on the lower floors being zero due to the huge structural members required to hold up all floors above.


2/. No. Rubble and metal obviously weighs the same hot or cold.
The collapse was due to the design because once an internal collapse started, it was free to continue right down to the ground.
And once it started, since the floors were providing the cross bracing for the outer vertical structural members which were holding up the upper floors, the whole lot came down like a stack of cards.
There was nothing in any of it that required demolition charges or anything like that.

If that was the case the core should have stayed standing.

So what support the weight of the building above the first floor, anti gravity devices?????

barn said...

doggie said...

@ Formula Nova -

What about navigaion equipment? It would take years to understand and use that equipment. You cant just look out the window to where you are going in these types of planes.

Ergo, the United States government made up a story where Islamic Radicals triumphed over the mighty USA, simply by hijacking planes and flying them into buildings, and just to add an even greater level embarrassment, the Government sent in a demolition team to topple the buildings post impact? Just because?

Meanwhile, global jubilation in Islamic communities occurs, because the USA has just been ass farked by some Faith Heads..

What kind of retarded Government meeting does somebody suggest a plan like this?? And how did they get thousands of people to go along with it, while staying silent for the rest of their lives?? It would take one person to spill the beans...

It wasn't an excuse to attack Iraq, USA had Iraq by the balls after the Gulf, it also wasn't an excuse to attack Afghanistan, America could have claimed that awful country after the Soviets left...

9/11 was a terrible event in the Nations history. Even if, hypothetically, that incompetent administration could do it, why??

Crop circles, UFO's, Roswell, Inside Job, lizzard people, Bunyips, 2012..

Barn, if your understanding of global power structures is based on the Channel Seven Democracy then I can understand your difficulty in coming to terms with reality, because in reality we really really have been told a ****ing great porky, the biggest ever but one of a huge string of lies.

The decision to take the United States to war against Islam was not made by any government folk. It was made in rooms that normal folk do not even know exist by a family who control the world. This family is estimated to own as much as 50% off the worlds wealth, the Rothschilds. Don't take my word for it but don't look for the truth in any of their media outlets. They have owned Reuters since the mid 1800's and they did not stop acquiring back then. Rupert is their protege.

One of the arguments that is always put forward in regard to 911 is how could they keep it secret. Mate, they have been doing it for years. These guys have access to every political nook and cranny on earth and every secret service. They thrive and on creating divesions to suit their own needs which always amount to the accrual of more wealth and power at the expense of any but them and their minions.

Their goal is world domination through debt.

Far fetched?

Follow the money with an open and critical mind and you will realise where the seat of power is. That pyramid of wealth has a pinnacle, like it or not, and your and my existence means not a speck to them.

Amschel Rothschilds wife bragged that there were only wars when her sons allowed it. That was back in the 1800's. Their tentacles have woven a net of debt around this globe and financed both sides of every major war war since and every time it happens they get wealthier and more powerful enabling them to play out this new world order plan they have for us.

They created Zionism in the 1880's and have used the Jews and Israel disgracefully and the plan continues to play out.

So it was not a government but large elements of lots of government agencies and secret services.

It is fairly clear that Dick Cheyney was a pinion. They control the finance sector, Larry Silversteen et al and own the city of London.

Evelyn de Rothchild is the queens puppeteer.

The sector of the Pentagon that got hit by an aeroplane that left no evidence and flew a flight path that pilots admit is impossible, never mind by a novice, that was not caught on any video surveilance of the most secure govenment building in the world on other than tapes that were confiscated and ruled inadmissable at the 911 commission, well that sector housed evidence of trillions of dollars of defence fraud.

Seriously Barn, go have a critical look. Where there is the smell of dog****e there is dog****e

GreenPat said...

SomeOtherGuy said...


Wonder how much longer this thread will last before the mods pull it? This thread'll be the new Building 7!

Good question. I'm tossing up between 'now' and 'later'. There is an outside chance of 'bugger it, let it run', unless people start getting upset again. Or another mod beats me to it.

I commend you sir for your obvious self restraint.