Notwal I have answers but am tired of this thread. I think we all are.
Or would we like to do age of the earth research now

No that is still religion..... evolution / Big Bang etc predicts existence of aliens, creation pretty muchs rules them out.

BTW I don't remember us talking abotu religion in this thread at all?

Creationism was not mentioned in a religion sense by me: it was referring the scientific data that is contrary to accepted 'fact' or doctrine or theories etc.

I can't think of aliens without thinking of the hot one in Galaxy Quest, and how the guy ended up with her and got it on with her, but she was in fact an octopus looking thing that just had a humanoid appearance due to some electronic appearance-changing device

Mark _australia said...

Creationism was not mentioned in a religion sense by me: it was referring the scientific data that is contrary to accepted 'fact' or doctrine or theories etc.

I can't think of aliens without thinking of the hot one in Galaxy Quest, and how the guy ended up with her and got it on with her, but she was in fact an octopus looking thing that just had a humanoid appearance due to some electronic appearance-changing device

An octopus has some limbic appeal I think. Spiders on the other hand... ooooh.

Mark _australia said...

Frame of reference: he appears younger upon return to earth as he is the one who was travelling (ie time chnaged for him)

If he returned to earth and then you transported both of them instantaneously to Alpha Centauri, then she'd appear younger.

They are both travelling relative to each other. The "Relativity Principle" says there are no special cases.

So NotWal is aging slower than me cos he's closer to the equator and moving faster?

Well ... I don't get it. Relative to each other they each have the same experience except that Jeffrey accelerates and turns around.

Went to Wikipedia and saw a page full of maths. Its high school stuff but I don't remember it. Time for a maths update.

All right then. Tell us about the young Earth. I'd be very much surprised if I need maths for that :)

Mark _australia said...

Creationism was not mentioned in a religion sense by me: it was referring the scientific data that is contrary to accepted 'fact' or doctrine or theories etc.

no worries.

NotWal said...

Went to Wikipedia and saw a page full of maths. Its high school stuff but I don't remember it. Time for a maths update.

All right then. Tell us about the young Earth. I'd be very much surprised if I need maths for that :)

I just had a look at it and it is interesting until the maths is presented

Young earth? OK at risk of being labelled a stirrer here are calculated maximum ages for the earth based on measurements (warning- long)


1. Receding Moon
750 m.y.a. max

2. Oil Pressure
5,000 - 10,000 years

3. The Sun
1,000,000 years max

4. The Oldest Living Thing
4,900 years max

5. Helium in the Atmosphere
1,750,000 years max

6. Short Period Comets
5,000 - 10,000 years

7. The Earth's Magnetic Field
10,000 years max

8. C-14 Dating of Dino Bones
10,000 - 50,000 years

9A. Dinosaur Blood and Ancient DNA
5,000 - 50,000 years

9B. Unfossilized Dinosaur Bones 5,000 - 50,000 years
9C. 165 Million Year Old Ligaments 5,000 - 50,000 years
10. Axel Heiberg Island
5,000 - 10,000 years

11. Carbon-14 in Atmosphere
10,000 years max

12. The Dead Sea
13,000 years max

13. Niagara Falls
5,000 - 8,800 years max

14. Historical Records
5,000 years max

15. The San Andreas Fault
5,000 - 10,000 years

16. Mitochondrial Eve
6,500 years

17. Population Growth
10,000 years max

18. Minerals in the Oceans Various (mostly young) Ages
19. Rapid Mountain Uplift Less than 10 million years
20. Carbon 14 from "Old" Sources 10,000 to 50,000 years
21. Dark Matter and Spiral Galaxies 100 - 500 million years (max)
22. Helium and lead in Zircons 6,000 years


Read all the explanation at www.earthage.org/youngearthev/evidence_for_a_young_earth.htm
just ignore soem of the God stuff at the beginning and read the science.

must be the mormans again.

Mark _australia said...

NotWal said...

Went to Wikipedia and saw a page full of maths. Its high school stuff but I don't remember it. Time for a maths update.

All right then. Tell us about the young Earth. I'd be very much surprised if I need maths for that :)

I just had a look at it and it is interesting until the maths is presented

Young earth? OK at risk of being labelled a stirrer here are calculated maximum ages for the earth based on measurements (warning- long)


1. Receding Moon
750 m.y.a. max

2. Oil Pressure
5,000 - 10,000 years

3. The Sun
1,000,000 years max

4. The Oldest Living Thing
4,900 years max

5. Helium in the Atmosphere
1,750,000 years max

6. Short Period Comets
5,000 - 10,000 years

7. The Earth's Magnetic Field
10,000 years max

8. C-14 Dating of Dino Bones
10,000 - 50,000 years

9A. Dinosaur Blood and Ancient DNA
5,000 - 50,000 years

9B. Unfossilized Dinosaur Bones 5,000 - 50,000 years
9C. 165 Million Year Old Ligaments 5,000 - 50,000 years
10. Axel Heiberg Island
5,000 - 10,000 years

11. Carbon-14 in Atmosphere
10,000 years max

12. The Dead Sea
13,000 years max

13. Niagara Falls
5,000 - 8,800 years max

14. Historical Records
5,000 years max

15. The San Andreas Fault
5,000 - 10,000 years

16. Mitochondrial Eve
6,500 years

17. Population Growth
10,000 years max

18. Minerals in the Oceans Various (mostly young) Ages
19. Rapid Mountain Uplift Less than 10 million years
20. Carbon 14 from "Old" Sources 10,000 to 50,000 years
21. Dark Matter and Spiral Galaxies 100 - 500 million years (max)
22. Helium and lead in Zircons 6,000 years


Read all the explanation at www.earthage.org/youngearthev/evidence_for_a_young_earth.htm
just ignore soem of the God stuff at the beginning and read the science.

Mark _australia said...



2. Oil Pressure
5,000 - 10,000 years

When oil wells are drilled, the oil is almost always found to be under great pressure. This presents a problem for those who claim "millions of years" for the age of oil, simply because rocks are porous. In other words, as time goes by the oil should seep into tiny pores in the surrounding rock, and, over time, reduce the pressure. However, for some reason it doesn't. Perhaps that's because all of our oil deposits were created as a result of Noah's Flood, about 4600 years ago? Some scientists say that after about 10,000 years little pressure should be left.

Are you sure this wasn't posted on rense.com?

ali g is gold

this one is a little more topical. bill hicks is the master.

is the world 10000 years old?



do aliens exist?