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19 May 2026 10:37pm
jn1 said..
Ok. I suppose a kite is in spinnaker mode in an up draft ?, and not it's most efficient angle ?

It's come up a few times here, but that female paraglider that got caught in an updraft in regional NSW in the 2000's springs to mind. She got taken up 11km or so by a storm cloud. That SBS doco put the fear in me.


Its just stupidly inefficient with a leading-edge inflatable by nature.You are adjusting the front and rear lines to get the most efficient flow over the wing in the same manner as a paraglider, its just not an efficient shape to generate lift (he is also using 150ft lines in the video).

Yeah the extreme thermals are fairly terrifying concept, although from what I understand in the case of Ewa Wisnierska that is a little bit to do with pushing the conditions in competition flying - also a good example of how stable a paraglider is that you can pass out for the best part of an hour and still be flying!
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19 May 2026 8:12am
jn1 said..
Hey CT. What if you needed to get down in a hurry ? (for whatever reason). Would pulling the safety line be a bad idea ?


Very bad idea! With a paraglider to get down quickly you have two options, speed bar to increase angle of attack, or pulling the outer lines to collapse the wing tips.

With a kite your only option is to extend the bar which acts a bit like a speed bar control, or turn the kite to drop height.

I have done some high and long gliding with snowkites and I would use a carabiner into a climbing harness rather than chicken loop (that was not an LEI kite though so behaves more like a paraglider).

It looks like he has a suicide setup so if he did pop the safety he would be still be powered.

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19 May 2026 8:05am
also red shim the 130, whole new world
Topic: Big Air
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17 May 2026 7:57pm
Thermalling a Duotone Juice!
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15 May 2026 3:40pm
hilly said..

Mine is 400mm so actually pretty consistent. Longer boards have the mast tracks further forward and the deck pad further forward. Slight variation is with the location of the deck grip on the hump. Mine is not fully up the hump so the 50mm difference between mast track and deck pad (350/400) should be closer to 30mm like yours.


If the hump was 3cm further forward that would resolve all the issues for me as my back foot could be on the inside of the recess and still not be behind the mast.
Its not the biggest issue but would be perfection if i could slide the foot back to hit the bump for pumping up, then bring it forward of the mast once i start the run.
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14 May 2026 8:32pm
robbo1111 said..

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hilly said..











Interesting, mine's even closer to the tail, it's 240mm for same measurement. Can you measure the top to the edge of the deck grip?



Mine is 300mm (tracks) and 270mm (rear of deck pad to back of the board)


300 to the deck pad for me. Seems a bit of a mixed bag
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14 May 2026 8:30pm
What's your poison, waves, flatwater, bump n jump, downwinders? Are you going to be working in the city?



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13 May 2026 9:22pm
shi thouse said..
Great board...love mine. Try to get a cover to fit!!!!! Lol

This is 5'4 x 22, cheap and a perfect fit
standupsurfshop.com.au/product/suss-prone-foil-board-bag/
I reckon this would work as well
creatures.com.au/products/foil-wing-day-use
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13 May 2026 9:18pm
hilly said..









Interesting, mine's even closer to the tail, its 240mm for same measurement. Can you measure the top to the edge of the deck grip?
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12 May 2026 10:04pm
maxpwr said..

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maxpwr said..
Would love some pics of this size. How thick is it in general and in the recess?




I'm away at the moment so I can't give you the exact dimensions, but I can run a tape measure over it on the weekend if anything in particular you would like measurements on. Here is a couple of pics I have of it including a side-on of the deck recess.




Just after an idea of the overall thickness and where you're standing. Smik won't publish those specs, and despite the reviews, I'm still trying to wrap my head around how this isn't corky.


Very ballpark but 140mm on the bulge where the writing is, running a set square from there the recess drops about 25mm. Front about the same but hard to measure accurately with the chine without more effort.
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12 May 2026 10:01pm
hilly said..

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eppo said..
yeh when i rode it was near the middle - could have gone back a smidge. I know someone who has one and has it about middle - armie riders. Each to their own i suppose. It does have some front foot pressure lift but that's a function of the flat mast box - whilst armie boards have built in rocker. Chemtrails you tried a mast shim - that's what JL used on his. and it could be more sensitive on that 5'4




If i had mine in the middle of the track my rear foot would be on top of my stab. It is just not in the right place on mine.



You got a photo of it. If it is a factory error Scotty may replace it.








This is the front and back of the track, the black lines are where foot would be in footstrap.
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9 May 2026 4:05pm
eppo said..
yeh when i rode it was near the middle - could have gone back a smidge. I know someone who has one and has it about middle - armie riders. Each to their own i suppose. It does have some front foot pressure lift but that's a function of the flat mast box - whilst armie boards have built in rocker. Chemtrails you tried a mast shim - that's what JL used on his. and it could be more sensitive on that 5'4


If i had mine in the middle of the track my rear foot would be on top of my stab. It is just not in the right place on mine.
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9 May 2026 5:58am
yep, on quite a few different brands you used to need the armie jammed as far forward as possible, its the opposite on this board, absolute rear of tracks.
as i said i suspect it will not be an issue on the longer lengths, but definitely ride one and check before you commit.
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8 May 2026 8:13pm
Mauritius- direct flights from Dubai, LHR, CDG, Istanbul, Frankfurt
Then direct flight to Perth
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8 May 2026 6:54pm
drc13 said..
Yep I echo that.

I have no interest in this board but appreciate a detailed review of gear especially with that set of "Affiliations"


Thanks eppo and drc, hard to get truly unbiased opinions online so when I get something new that folks might be interested in I will try and share my thoughts!
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7 May 2026 5:28pm
Gorgo said..
Can you comment a little more on the roll stability of the Jack? My 20" downwind board is very unstable in the roll axis and I am looking at a custom Jack as my new board. Trying to stand and pump and wave the parawing about in heavy chop was an exercise in frustration.

I've been looking at the 6' x 22" but also wondering if I can get away with the 5'8" x 21" for my 75kg.

Also, how are you carrying your Jack without a handle? I can get my arm around my 20" but my fingers start to slip pretty soon. I can carry boards with a bottom handle all day with the foil safely away from the wing.


Really stable in both roll and pitch, and I can't entirely see why from the geometry. I think having a bit of buoyancy front and back and then your weight in the centre means it pivots around the centre of buoyancy rather than corking all over the place. I used to ride a super short starboard wingboard of similar width but 4'5, and it would be all over the place particularly in pitch. While I was waiting for this board I had a 22" Duotone and the Smik is better stability wise.
I can juuuust get my hand around the whole board where the recessed section is and carry it like that, but most of the time I wrap around the foil mast and carry from there for in and out of the water. On land over the shoulder. I hear you, I love the handle its so much easier to and have a solid grip and way easier in and out of surf. PW its not so bad, winging is much more annoying as you end up with the wing and the foil on the same side.


robbo1111 said..
I've got a 65L custom which has just returned from 5 weeks in Maui. I paid full price and even so it is half the price of a KT, a relative bargain. I winged and PW'ed it and it is super easy to pump up onto foil.
The dimensions are 5'4 * 21", I've tried skinnier and longer mid-lengths but I prefer this shorter, slightly wider option for stability prior to getting up on foil. I also have the tint resin and after using it daily for 5 weeks, plus air travel, it doesn't have a scratch on it so pretty happy with the durability.

My boxes are also in the wrong position for GoFoil but for other brands I think they would mount dead centre. My foil mounts within an inch of the back of the box.

The only other slight negative is the centre mount rear footstrap plugs. I did specify offset and parallel to the centre line but they're right on the centre line so basically unusable. Front plugs are spot on.




Yeah that's pretty much the dimensions I had in my head for a great PW board. All the other Smik boards I've seen have had a bomber paint job, this scratches pretty easily and doesn't compare to previous boards I've had, or indeed other Smik boards like the SUP paint jobs which seem bombproof. Maybe if i'd gone with a coat of colour it would have been better.


Youngbreezy said..
This is my custom 7'4"x 22"x 128L I call it the Jack squared. As in the jack to jack you up on foil but also the Jack of all trades.
I got it mostly as a surf sup but also for light wind para, winging, DW paddle up and wake thieving.

Only had a couple of sessions on it so far but liking it, very stable even sup surfing in choppy conditions, still efficient enough to get up super easy with the para, recessed deck feels great.
Paint job ended up a bit more hi vis than I was hoping for but it's Hi Vis on the top and shark stripes on the bottom, safety first



I hope you're riding it with an Armstrong mast!
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7 May 2026 10:55am
maxpwr said..
Would love some pics of this size. How thick is it in general and in the recess?


I'm away at the moment so I can't give you the exact dimensions, but I can run a tape measure over it on the weekend if anything in particular you would like measurements on. Here is a couple of pics I have of it including a side-on of the deck recess.







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7 May 2026 10:12am
Board: Smik the Jack 5’4 x 21” x 80L
Discipline: Winging, Parawing, Downwind (primarily DW parawing)
Reviewer Skill Level: Intermediate to Advanced DW wave riding
Weight: 80kg
Affiliations: None, paid full retail
Review based on around 30h of riding at end of the Perth season, in zero knots (it paddles well!) to 30+, flat water through to 6-8ft+
I’m a sucker for a short board in every sport and I couldn’t get out the door fast enough from the SUP party when parawings came out. Over the last 12 months I have ridden a number of boards in the ML category from 5’9 to 6’1and spent a good amount of time thinking “what is that six inches at the front actually doing?”
I know in theory that length = planing speed = lift etc, but my experience with pop-up on a parawing is that you either don’t get the speed to really make that worthwhile and have to rely on a pump up, you have a swell line to run down to get up, or you have enough wind it doesn’t matter.
So in my head while idly awaiting a gust to get up in sketchy end of season conditions, I had been quietly designing my next custom board. Before I had that really figured out though, the Jack popped up (so to speak) and it was very close to the thing I had in my head – close enough that I bought it sight unseen (and the fact it already had my name on it was a nice touch).
Sooo… Enter the Jack. The core bits I were looking for which work a treat:
Double concave with an aggressive V on the front. Having tried a lot of boards, this is a non-negotiable for a good design for me. Bounces straight back off after a touchdown, rather than dragging you to a halt (makes meaningful eye contact with Skybrid), punches through chop to pop up and releases earlier for take off.
Stability without excess width. I have ridden narrow midlengths (18”) and wider wing boards (22”+) and the 21 is a good middle ground. If I was designing this myself I would have gone around 20”-20.5”, but the volume has to go somewhere and the little bit of extra length across the board stops this from being too blocky. The flat back half of the board works well, I would have bevelled the rails more rather than the fairly much straight vertical, but it works.
Volume up front. A necessity with a parawing, and doesn’t introduce any compromise for winging. Stomping the front foot gives you pop off the water, rather than sinking the nose. More generally, volume everywhere. I was a bit wary on the amount of volume squeezed into this small board, in my head I felt it would have been better off at 70L, but it works and is surprisingly Tardis-like. Because its short it looks very thick, but side by side with a 5’10 Skybrid of similar volume it is not noticeably any thicker, with the volume crammed at nose and tail. The sunken deck works a treat and makes it feel like a much lower volume board. I thought I would want to drop some more litres, but having used this in all conditions, I’m now rethinking that. The extra volume works in light conditions and is not a hindrance any other time.
Performance. On or above the water, it kicks ass. I can get up in the same or less conditions than any longer board I have had for the same volume. It is extraordinarily responsive to pump, as it is a perfect lever length where you have pretty much the same length of board in front and behind you. Basically since getting this I have been able to pump through anything and recover (usual weed disclaimer) and pump up in ridiculously marginal conditions.
Getting up is far more stable than it should be, I have used this multiple times in trash conditions (30kt washing machine stuff) and it is much more stable than the other boards that I have had. I can’t really pin why this is, as on paper there is nothing in particular that suggests it shouldn’t be a corky mess, but it is definitely the easiest board I have used for getting on to, standing up and getting going.
On a wave it feels like a performance shortboard, nimble, easy on axis pivot and it has upped my carving game. Swing weight feels zero (and if you think that about your current board, you’re absolutely wrong, try this and change your mind), 360 loops on foil are now in the equation for me and carves are now rail to rail. On that note, recovery from a rail hitting the face is much more doable and getting hit from side on is more stable than I have experienced with other boards.
Downsides. Only two:
Small one - unless you have experience sitting in stress positions on a concrete floor in a POW camp, the diamond pattern grip is ridiculously hard. It would be much nicer to have a Duotone-like soft grip for bare knees and a better board feel. Minor, but annoying when it’s close to otherwise perfect.
Big one - the positioning of the foil track is bananas. It feels like they never updated the location of the tracks when they scaled the model size, as the rail starts at the mid point of the rear strap, and then continues to the middle of the board, about a hand-width behind the front strap. So the only place it works for me riding Armie gear is wedged as far back as it can possibly go, and then its juuuust on the cusp of workable. If I was wearing straps, I am not sure this would be doable. As it stands I can’t get the foil far enough back to be able to put my foot against the rear ridge (which would be the ideal, so you can pump up with foot pressing against that and then bring forward a smidge as you start downwinding). I would definitely recommend trialing this before you commit, as it may not work at all with your foil setup if your foot needs to be forward of the mast and/or you ride with straps. Might not be an issue with the larger sizes I suspect.
TLDR:
In short, an amazing board that goes hard in all disciplines and all conditions, well priced and also fits longitudinally in a ute tray, with no noticeable compromise from being shorter. This is my only board for parawinging and winging, I have the budget to have multiple boards but just don’t need anything else. 7.5/10 as it stands, would be a 9 if the tracks were positioned a bit better, and a 10 with better deck grip and a more durable paint job.
Finally a mild disclaimer that you will need to be able to pump up properly to get the most from this. If you're pulling yourself up on foil using the wind, then you will probably struggle on a board of this length. To ride this you're not really using the planing speed to generate lift, instead you are getting the board to release from the water surface using your pump technique, and then getting lift from the foil. On a wing you can get away with this and its likely a great board to learn how to pump as its very obvious and responsive to the inputs, but if you are parawinging and don't have pump technique you are probably going to have a bad time with this.
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There is a good rundown of the pros and cons for each of the masts here
undergroundskateltd.createsend1.com/t/i-e-zhygkt-l-yu/
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2 May 2026 10:56pm
Gorgo said..
How is everybody getting on with their Jack boards? It's been a while and there's not much new information about them.

I'm thinking of ordering a custom and it would be good to get some up to date opinions.


I have had about twenty sessions on the 5'4 in all sorts of conditions. Its close to perfect, with a few minor caveats which you could resolve in a custom board. I have been meaning to post a review and rundown, I'll try to get that done soon.

Reply in Topic: Ozone pocket rocket v2
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30 Apr 2026 8:10pm
eppo said..

mip80er said..
I'm a 80kg wing foiler on HA1080 and want to do short DW runs of 500-1000m and go back upwind. My regular spot is Cabezo in El Medano which is kind of small to mid wind swell waves and wind of 13-18kn.Would the 870 have more glide than my 1080? I don't need all the lift 1080 has, but still would want to have at least the same glide and stall speed and ideally tighter turns. Or is 970 a better choise?




honestly i'd be going the 870. Will take you a bit to adjust but even the 870 will have a ton more glide than the 1080 once you understand how to access it. It will turn but it's a different style of turning. The 870 has replaced our 1080 for down winding and even surf foiling in really small conditions. The 970 (i have both) will def give you more glide but the span is quite noticeable - forget trying to rip a turn on that even close to a 1080.

Yoi really need to choose a UHA on equivalent span rather than sq cm.


what are your thoughts on MA890 equivalent? Looking for something for weak Perth light wind sessions as the 890 is starting to feel a bit stodgy
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I have used World Nomads for years for lots of stupid adventures. I went on a deep dive on their coverage and had a bunch of emails back and forth with their insurers for a snowkiting trip and have a lot of confidence in them.
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17 Apr 2026 9:51pm
FranP said..
Thanks for sharing ! I've heard there might be a 5.6 m2 size coming for the new PR - is that confirmed ?

Do you have any info on when pre-orders will open and expected delivery timelines?

Will the full size range be available at launch?

thanks !


5.7 stated in the post, and showing on retailer pages

shop.sonofkite.com/product-category/parawing/pocket-rocket-v2/

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13 Apr 2026 3:17pm
If you are in any solid swell you could 95% guarantee you lose your board. It is far better at foiling with you off it than on it. If you are packing away the PW, then you don't have any means to catch up with it quickly when you get launched. If you're in smaller swell and a relatively constrained location then definitely a maybe, but it also seems like a dick thing to have a high speed knife heading to the beach without any control of it.

Leash tangling is one of those problems that seems to pretty much disappear once you've got a bit of time parawinging, I have not had a leash tangle for this whole season.
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8 Apr 2026 5:49pm
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cammd said..
He's presumed innocent until proven guilty,
that's a law you may like to remember.


Chris249 has not said he's guilty. Only hilly has been silly enough to suggest he's guilty.


not my words, quoted from a redditor:

If BRS did nothing wrong, he sure went to extreme lengths, including locking up and imprisoning his wife in their home so he could have an extra marital affair with his lawyer, impersonating a NZ lawyer and burying damning evidence in his backyard, that his wife had to report, only to suffer domestic violence as a result.
This is not heresay, these are things he has been caught red-handed doing. Including by his own private investigator that he hired to spy on and intimidate former platoon colleagues.
This is not the behaviour of an innocent man.
The evidence has been damning and those of dubious intent have been the loudest to "defend him" including Pauline Hanson and Elon Musk ,with the later trying to "get involved".
The line must be drawn.


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1 Apr 2026 6:39pm
Youngbreezy said..
As I'm sure you're all aware everyday in WA is basically like a scene out of the acclaimed documentary Sharknado. The risks have become so high that you don't even have to go out on the water to be at risk. You're in imminent danger even just standing next to a river or pond or any body of water.
Personally I have decided to be proactive and will be using Shark deterrent devices basically at all times. What I'm looking at doing is using some of these FCS shark banz pods




Apparently they work a lot better if you use multiple pods at once. I was thinking of actually getting a whole bunch of them and stringing them together. I searched online for images of how to do it and found this particular image which gave me some good ideas.





Now I just wonder if anyone has any suggestions as to how I can mount these, Ideally on my body, so that I can have maximum protection at all times??


I have been using a set the same as the second picture for several years, and while I have had some arse-clenching moments I can say to date zero successful shark attacks.
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25 Mar 2026 6:20pm
if you have a pool, 60kg of dive weights, a few milk crates, a couple of people to help and a sense of adventure, then yes, its fairly easy.
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