All I know is that Guy Bridge can pump it for eternity. I have nfi how much of that is him being a freak.
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Tons of information in the Armstrong Facebook group already. Both sponsored riders and normies.
well this was my review of the 770 i put on the armstrong facebook page after my 3rd DW on it.
770 UHA Magic
Just did 18km DW in around 18- 20 knots on the 770 in weed that left every other rider totally despondent and exhausted - was just carpeted in the stuff in lines stretching as far as the eye could see.
I came in just utterly stoked. Weed . what weed!
The 770 / 140 just kept motoring on - sure you had to adjust and at times took of the the U in UHA. But She kept just motoring on and at no stage did i feel i was coming down.
Stopped twice to wait for the slow pokes - then hit a 5km stretch of no weed - where the streets have no name from U2 came on the shocks and i opened that baby up. Fk me turn, connect and not flow - but fckn go! Go fast laterally, up and over at will or go slow carving inside hollows - didn't matter. This bloody beast bank turns like a fighter jet!
Total flow in the true Csikszentmihalyi sense. Just one with 75ML, the foil and the ocean. Never had that experience at that level before. Truly remarkable wing we have here.
glad i got the 570
coming . anymore power and i'd be seriously having to hold back.
not sure why im dribbling about this but I had to write something somewhere.
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well this was my review of the 770 i put on the armstrong facebook page after my 3rd DW on it.
770 UHA Magic
Just did 18km DW in around 18- 20 knots on the 770 in weed that left every other rider totally despondent and exhausted - was just carpeted in the stuff in lines stretching as far as the eye could see.
I came in just utterly stoked. Weed . what weed!
The 770 / 140 just kept motoring on - sure you had to adjust and at times took of the the U in UHA. But She kept just motoring on and at no stage did i feel i was coming down.
Thanks for the post @eppo, I'm not on Facebook so if its not on here it passes me by, my choice.
Do you have any thoughts on the differences between HAv2 and UHA?
I'm on HA780, 980 and 1180 which I really enjoy riding but also use the DWP755 and 930, maybe not as often as I should.
Mostly wingfoil, parawing early days and SUP Foil and the HAv2 works for everything. Don't get to DW as much as I would like.
As usual FOMO is strong, but the wallet is light 
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well this was my review of the 770 i put on the armstrong facebook page after my 3rd DW on it.
770 UHA Magic
not sure why im dribbling about this but I had to write something somewhere.
No sure I've ever seen you so excited. High praise from a very experienced foiler. Can't wait for my 870 (primary use intended for the PW).
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well this was my review of the 770 i put on the armstrong facebook page after my 3rd DW on it.
770 UHA Magic
Just did 18km DW in around 18- 20 knots on the 770 in weed that left every other rider totally despondent and exhausted - was just carpeted in the stuff in lines stretching as far as the eye could see.
I came in just utterly stoked. Weed . what weed!
The 770 / 140 just kept motoring on - sure you had to adjust and at times took of the the U in UHA. But She kept just motoring on and at no stage did i feel i was coming down.
Thanks for the post @eppo, I'm not on Facebook so if its not on here it passes me by, my choice.
Do you have any thoughts on the differences between HAv2 and UHA?
I'm on HA780, 980 and 1180 which I really enjoy riding but also use the DWP755 and 930, maybe not as often as I should.
Mostly wingfoil, parawing early days and SUP Foil and the HAv2 works for everything. Don't get to DW as much as I would like.
As usual FOMO is strong, but the wallet is light
Yeh took 5km on my first session to dial in its characteristics - then after 30 odd km on the water - was ready for this session. Yeh the stoke is real. Shame ya not on the facebook page there's a ton of nuanced discussion on this wing. but hey as you said your choice - no doubt less social media equals more sanity.
Look to me the UHA is definitely suited to DW - not sure i'd be using it to wing - except if going DW. That being said if someone if cranking upwind on a wing then flag riding the bumps DW - then yeh it's the one. Smaller sizes could serve for an advanced winger but man those new Mas are hard to leave alone. In waves it's a no brainer - i'm saying it now that the new Mas are just as good as the UHA but obviously for different reasons. They also make a sick para DW wing when you really want to turn and burn in the pocket.
Look my bread and butter was the 780ha for prone, wing (although i tended to use a 680 mostly) and DW paddle and para. 880 as the easy to use reliable wing when wind is not as strong or predictable or going DW in a need unknown place. 980/1080 was my light wind wing - and the 980 still serves as a decent slow arc surf wing being under that metre span.
Probably my weed experience explains the weed took the U out of the UHA - which leaves a HA lol. Can defintely feel the pedigree genetics from the HA. Take off is
smother and easier i feel on the UHA though.
Basically they have made a high performance foil that is very user friendly. Not an easy job to do. It's like it has different gears - from a stupidly low access speed generated from this insane concrete like pumping platform that allows you to dig yourself out of swell hollows to the usual high aspect efficient "tap tap" - to generate fantastic glide speed - and having lots of weed in the foil made me access the MA/ Ha mode - when weed was off then one can then open the foil up - different turning to the former foils - it banks like I said like a fighter jet - just shoots you out of a turn.
Id call the DWP a high performance foil without the user friendly aspect mentioned above. Never got along with the DWP myself. But hey each to their own. It would span out on me unless the conditions were ideal.
Which brings me to the fact the carbon layup is seriously "intense" on the UHA and it's noticeable heavier in your hand with equivalent size of the Ha. This has produced a super stiff wing which equals less chance of being spanned out like in the DWP.
and man invest time on the para . that's the ticket man!
.. yeh the 870 from which all the other sizes were based off - most prototypes built at this size - is seriously good.
Other advantage is its wind range. 770
pretty much covers the 780 and the 880 and probably even touches into the 980 part of the spectrum. Hence why i've ordered a 570 . hope to cover the 680 is also use to DW with.
That being said when conditions are really hectic and all
over the place - the Ha and Ma still has its place. Also no matter how stiff they make them - span is span - no getting around it. The 770 had almost the the span of the 980 - so the bigger you go the more you will need to adjust your riding style to allow for this span.
negative . much harder to get enough tip out on a turn to release weed. MAs are much easier and even the Ha for that. You do need to adjust the way you turn .
bought the UHA1070 for wake thieving
now got some back spasms ;-( so no go atm
but did have a limited session a few days ago
easy peasy to ride but was too windy and choppy to really test it out
seems pretty user friendly and turned quite well for a wide span
integrated mast, 60 fuse, dart 120
intermediate FDer
Thanks very much @eppo for taking the time to post that info. For sure I have never managed to get the best out of the DWP foils and at 60yo and 94kg I probably never will. Might try and sell them on and put the cash towards a UHM. Sounds like the 870 would be the core size to start with, replacing the 980.
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Thanks very much @eppo for taking the time to post that info. For sure I have never managed to get the best out of the DWP foils and at 60yo and 94kg I probably never will. Might try and sell them on and put the cash towards a UHM. Sounds like the 870 would be the core size to start with, replacing the 980.
yeh that's a good measure - one size down
DW para with my 7'3 Mk3 today with the 970. Took a bit to adjust to the span but when i did - was brilliant in like 11-13 knots max.
Someone of the FB forum a winger made a great call last night. Match the span of your UhA to the equivalent Ha rather than size.
Great info Eppo!!
What tails are you liking with the UHA's. I figure the darts and the crisp. But have you tried the surf 130 or 170
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Great info Eppo!!
What tails are you liking with the UHA's. I figure the darts and the crisp. But have you tried the surf 130 or 170
I'm yet to try the surf tails mate but will eventually. Crisp and 120-140 so far
JL and I did a techy, talky, thingy - if you want some more insight in the UHA, Ha, Ma and tails.
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Anyone have experience riding the 1070 or 1270, comparing to the 1180/1350? How is the turnability, pump and glide compared when using the smaller surf rear foil (130)? I'm 100kg and looking at those 2 UHAs for lighter conditions when parawinging? I have a friend who is 81kg and he is absolutely stoked about his 870. Feels it replaces his 880 and 1080 for WF and PW.
Great info here, thanks guys.
I'm 95kg and 38yo, parawinging on Lord Howe Island where we mostly have swell mixed in with the bumps. Spent almost a year on the Frigate 4m in our lagoon getting the hang of fancy jibes etc. Now hoping to learn downwinding outside the lagoon in open ocean. I'm on the 980HA and a 85L Armstrong ML.
Keen on getting a UHA to have enough time connecting bumps to put the parawing away but don't want it to overlap with my 980 that I plan to keep for ripping turns once I learn the bumps.
Thinking about a 1070 but am worried it won't match the speed of the open ocean swells or get out of control when dropping into overhead swells. Because my board is a touch low volume I need 20 knots to easily get on foil so when I do go out of the lagoon the ocean tends to have a lot of energy.
Would a 870 or 970 tend to replace my 980 or will I still reach for my 980?
Or do I go for the other end of the spectrum and get a racecar 770 for fanging down fast swells?
Or do I just stick with the 980 and spend more time learning to connect bumps (I'm getting 200m rides) and perhaps get a bigger board/back-up larger parawing?
Thanks!
ah crap I just wrote a ton of stuff and this stupid site just freaked out and i lost it all. To start with - post this on the armstrong foil riders page on FB - you'll get a ton of sensible answers from riders all over the world - and a lot at your weight as well.
Look between JL and myself we've done well into the thousand KMs on these from the 570 to the 1070 DW, Fad, surf and even tow boogie (the smaller ones are insanely good for that). So i kinda know what each size can do.
770 is a bit above your pay grade and weight at the moment. You ar better off sticking to the 980 until you have your skills sorted. The 970 . it's quite spanny until your learn to adjust but you wanna have your ducks in a row before you'd consider that.
The 870 is a beast of a wing with a superb wind range (well they all do). That would be my pick for you at your weight and skills. It will make life a lot easier to link and glide into swell bumps.
But i'm hoping you have some small tails. The 870 loves the 120 dart. infact they all do or the surf 130. Especially for DW. Anyhow that's my two bobs worth. Still a little spanny - and you will struggle at first but eventually you biomechanically adjust.
I assume you will be doing upwind/downwind off the western reefs of Lord Howe, such a nice place. I wouldn't go bigger than the 870 because you will have proper ocean bumps moving fast. I'm 85kg and use my 870 for light wind winging and parawinging. I sold my 980 as the 870 renders it totally redundant. It gets up the same or easier, glide is next level giving you much more time to pack the parawing away while the foil auto glides and it's much faster.
If I was riding fast ocean bumps I would want the 770 or maybe 670 so the 870 at your weight will be ideal. I ride mine with the 130 surf tail and it turns surprisingly well once you shed the speed a bit.
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I assume you will be doing upwind/downwind off the western reefs of Lord Howe, such a nice place. I wouldn't go bigger than the 870 because you will have proper ocean bumps moving fast. I'm 85kg and use my 870 for light wind winging and parawinging. I sold my 980 as the 870 renders it totally redundant. It gets up the same or easier, glide is next level giving you much more time to pack the parawing away while the foil auto glides and it's much faster.
If I was riding fast ocean bumps I would want the 770 or maybe 670 so the 870 at your weight will be ideal. I ride mine with the 130 surf tail and it turns surprisingly well once you shed the speed a bit.
i'm about 90 kgs and use the MA 990 for foil driving. sometimes i think even that 990 has too much lift for me with the FD. Do you think a 770 UHA would be the next step, or is that too small for FD at my weight? I've tried the 780 HA with FD but couldn't even get on foil with it so worried UHA 770 might have same issue, but think UHA 870 may overlap with MA 990 too much.
I'm a 80kg wing foiler on HA1080 and want to do short DW runs of 500-1000m and go back upwind. My regular spot is Cabezo in El Medano which is kind of small to mid wind swell waves and wind of 13-18kn.Would the 870 have more glide than my 1080? I don't need all the lift 1080 has, but still would want to have at least the same glide and stall speed and ideally tighter turns. Or is 970 a better choise?
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I'm a 80kg wing foiler on HA1080 and want to do short DW runs of 500-1000m and go back upwind. My regular spot is Cabezo in El Medano which is kind of small to mid wind swell waves and wind of 13-18kn.Would the 870 have more glide than my 1080? I don't need all the lift 1080 has, but still would want to have at least the same glide and stall speed and ideally tighter turns. Or is 970 a better choise?
I'm 80kg and replaced my 980 with an 870. Probably go 970 if you want something close to the 1080
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I'm a 80kg wing foiler on HA1080 and want to do short DW runs of 500-1000m and go back upwind. My regular spot is Cabezo in El Medano which is kind of small to mid wind swell waves and wind of 13-18kn.Would the 870 have more glide than my 1080? I don't need all the lift 1080 has, but still would want to have at least the same glide and stall speed and ideally tighter turns. Or is 970 a better choise?
honestly i'd be going the 870. Will take you a bit to adjust but even the 870 will have a ton more glide than the 1080 once you understand how to access it. It will turn but it's a different style of turning. The 870 has replaced our 1080 for down winding and even surf foiling in really small conditions. The 970 (i have both) will def give you more glide but the span is quite noticeable - forget trying to rip a turn on that even close to a 1080.
Yoi really need to choose a UHA on equivalent span rather than sq cm.
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I'm a 80kg wing foiler on HA1080 and want to do short DW runs of 500-1000m and go back upwind. My regular spot is Cabezo in El Medano which is kind of small to mid wind swell waves and wind of 13-18kn.Would the 870 have more glide than my 1080? I don't need all the lift 1080 has, but still would want to have at least the same glide and stall speed and ideally tighter turns. Or is 970 a better choise?
honestly i'd be going the 870. Will take you a bit to adjust but even the 870 will have a ton more glide than the 1080 once you understand how to access it. It will turn but it's a different style of turning. The 870 has replaced our 1080 for down winding and even surf foiling in really small conditions. The 970 (i have both) will def give you more glide but the span is quite noticeable - forget trying to rip a turn on that even close to a 1080.
Yoi really need to choose a UHA on equivalent span rather than sq cm.
what are your thoughts on MA890 equivalent? Looking for something for weak Perth light wind sessions as the 890 is starting to feel a bit stodgy
Select to expand quoteCH3MTR4IL5 said..eppo said..mip80er said..
I'm a 80kg wing foiler on HA1080 and want to do short DW runs of 500-1000m and go back upwind. My regular spot is Cabezo in El Medano which is kind of small to mid wind swell waves and wind of 13-18kn.Would the 870 have more glide than my 1080? I don't need all the lift 1080 has, but still would want to have at least the same glide and stall speed and ideally tighter turns. Or is 970 a better choise?
honestly i'd be going the 870. Will take you a bit to adjust but even the 870 will have a ton more glide than the 1080 once you understand how to access it. It will turn but it's a different style of turning. The 870 has replaced our 1080 for down winding and even surf foiling in really small conditions. The 970 (i have both) will def give you more glide but the span is quite noticeable - forget trying to rip a turn on that even close to a 1080.
Yoi really need to choose a UHA on equivalent span rather than sq cm.
what are your thoughts on MA890 equivalent? Looking for something for weak Perth light wind sessions as the 890 is starting to feel a bit stodgy
You talking about DW? In the surf ? I will assume DW - look the only time i put on the 890 is when the bumps are lined up and with some energy. Given that and say the 120 on a blue/ red - then it can be so much fun and it forces you to turn more and keep in the swell lines pocket. That being said it has a remarkable ability to pump and link up swell lines - especially with a small tail.
That being said even at my weight 80kg it can feel a size too big at times and I wish sometimes I had a 790.
I also have used the 890 quite a bit when down augusta / margs (and i def put the MA on on say WSW winky runners locally) to deal with the power and unruly ocean down there. Again wish i was on the 790 at times.
I've yet to use the 690 (except FD/Boogie - it's the unicorn size) but hopefully i get over my chicken sh1t courage next season.
But for DW light runs . you want the equivalent 770 depending on your weight and skill. Even then at times I had the 670 lol. Not related but the 570 is an amazing size on those nuking days (well even in 20 knots it rocks) and man it's a damn fine boogie two size when the waves aren't huge.
any dribbling as usual - yeh light wind runs - done them on the 890 and fck they are hard work.
Maybe a longshot but.... anyone happen to have experience with the Florence 110x and how it might compare to something like the UHA 670? It's been years since I rode that 110x as a winger and I'm looking for something high AR to add to my parawing quiver with a span between 900-1000 and these two are on my radar.
