Recessed deck design

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flowstate
flowstate
147 posts
147 posts
12 May 2026 12:35am
anyone know who built this wild lookin sled? Lotta thought gone into it.

love to try it out, what being that much closer to the foil feels like on a parawing-friendly board. Dims, say 6'8x20 shld retain enough volume for wanging. As long as flex/torsional rigidity sorted out without too much weight gain
Sure looks cool. Coupled with Gregs shovel-handled wang...
Velocicraptor
Velocicraptor
868 posts
868 posts
12 May 2026 12:41am
Curious what the volume is relative to the rider's weight. Volume above the water while taxiing is just weight that isn't adding efficiency. Also, having ridden a lot of different board configurations, I prefer having a little bit of sink in the tail to add a little stability. Sunken deck can make some sense, but more is not necessarily better and this takes it to the Extreme. Could be wrong, but overall I'm not sold on this.
Frankieboy
Frankieboy
129 posts
129 posts
12 May 2026 3:12am
why not just sinking the mast plate? or better, go for a tuttle
Stretchy
Stretchy
WA
1053 posts
WA, 1053 posts
12 May 2026 12:03pm
Volume above water in the nose and tail might seem wasted for a level board, but the buoyancy is “activated” as the board pitches forward or back. Whether or not the best approach is the design concept shown here, or simply having a longer board, is another question?
krixikraxi
krixikraxi
51 posts
51 posts
12 May 2026 1:25pm
It looks like an extreme Version of a Starboard Above.

star-board.com/products/2026-above-foilboard?variant=50190071857447
515
515
885 posts
515 515
885 posts
12 May 2026 1:43pm
Here in NZ, legend Biggie has made a few versions.

Here is post.
www.facebook.com/share/p/1FPn8a8ka3/

For those not on Facebook see photo


northy1
northy1
500 posts
500 posts
12 May 2026 5:23pm
Guy Cribb built something similar last summer?
www.instagram.com/reels/DJH_ysioA-w/
Bram
Bram
1 posts
1 posts
12 May 2026 5:26pm
Hello deep down under, Flowstate,

Thanks for the compliments.

I built the board. I hope we can go together sometime soon ;-)
On my Facebook, Bram Hoogendijk, you can see more pictures of previous versions. (unfortunately I can't post links yet)

Over the past three years, I have further developed the concept of the lowered deck. The basic idea is the canoe where you sit on the bottom. Important is gentle paddling behavior; I am over sixty. ;-) and a super stiff construction between feet and foil.
My playground is the North Sea, Scheveningen, Holland. Conditions here vary greatly, from flat to big waves.
The biggest challenge, in good conditions, is the shore break.
This board is ideal for this; sitting on my knees, I brave the shore break, after which I can stand up and head out into the open sea. The large volume of 115 liters is compensated by the low weight of +- 4.4 kg.

Lately, since the hollow windsurf boards of 1980, I have been building boards. Everything comes together in this board.

What Stretchy writes is exactly right.
The only thing I changed on my new board is a slightly thicker nose. The current length and width are fine for me. 54x217x12/22 cm 105 liters 4.4 kg 21" x 7.1 ft. The round shapes are also important for the construction. Hollow. An egg is super strong. The convex shapes are structurally ideal for building something light and voluminous. The skin consists of carbon, 3mm PVC, Inegra; at the foot deck, this is 8mm Airex.
This skin construction is almost unbreakable, which is not unimportant for a hollow board.
The board has two ribs at the deck; the foot strap plugs and the mast rail are directly attached to them.

Frankieboy's wish for a Tuttle box is not an option yet.
I want to keep the board flexible; there are still too many different mast positions regarding hydrofoils and rider preferences.

Hope your curiosity has been satisfied.

Greetings from Scheveningen.
Bram
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23648 posts
WA, 23648 posts
12 May 2026 5:36pm
I really don't know that people are feeling what they think they are. We went from 3" thick and wide wingboards to 6" thick DW and it takes off early yes - but never heard anyone whine about thickness. They got so narrow they needed thickness.... still no whinges about the thickness. When we settled on 75cm ish mast I have not heard anyone say that an 80 completely ruins foiling for them
Olympic classes are on a 100-105 mast..... if you had to truly feel so connected to the foil, don't you think the guys spending $30K on gear and living the sport every second of their lives in the hope of being a medallist - would be wanting to be more connected too? Kite race foil have gone from boards that look like a coffee table to skinny ML boards too. Thick ones. The best kite foil racer is see is on a very thick 19" wide ML.

Do what feels right for you, and all for innovation but some of this 20mm closer to the foil thing is a little silly. IMHO. Emperor's New Clothes ......

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23648 posts
WA, 23648 posts
12 May 2026 5:39pm
I will say that Bram is onto it for construction. Not easy to do that.
Moulds taken from a 60's Ducatti though
hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
WA, 8120 posts
12 May 2026 5:46pm
Mark _australia said..
I really don't know that people are feeling what they think they are. We went from 3" thick and wide wingboards to 6" thick DW and it takes off early yes - but never heard anyone whine about thickness. They got so narrow they needed thickness.... still no whinges about the thickness. When we settled on 75cm ish mast I have not heard anyone say that an 80 completely ruins foiling for them
Olympic classes are on a 100-105 mast..... if you had to truly feel so connected to the foil, don't you think the guys spending $30K on gear and living the sport every second of their lives in the hope of being a medallist - would be wanting to be more connected too? Kite race foil have gone from boards that look like a coffee table to skinny ML boards too. Thick ones. The best kite foil racer is see is on a very thick 19" wide ML.

Do what feels right for you, and all for innovation but some of this 20mm closer to the foil thing is a little silly. IMHO. Emperor's New Clothes ......



Think it is more for turning on waves or swell. My Smik the Jack turns nicely on swell and waves with a recessed deck. Love the Ducati design above looks cool.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23648 posts
WA, 23648 posts
12 May 2026 6:48pm
Indeed. This is a Jack to the extreme.....
Grantmac
Grantmac
2383 posts
2383 posts
13 May 2026 2:24am
Mark _australia said..
I really don't know that people are feeling what they think they are. We went from 3" thick and wide wingboards to 6" thick DW and it takes off early yes - but never heard anyone whine about thickness. They got so narrow they needed thickness.... still no whinges about the thickness. When we settled on 75cm ish mast I have not heard anyone say that an 80 completely ruins foiling for them
Olympic classes are on a 100-105 mast..... if you had to truly feel so connected to the foil, don't you think the guys spending $30K on gear and living the sport every second of their lives in the hope of being a medallist - would be wanting to be more connected too? Kite race foil have gone from boards that look like a coffee table to skinny ML boards too. Thick ones. The best kite foil racer is see is on a very thick 19" wide ML.

Do what feels right for you, and all for innovation but some of this 20mm closer to the foil thing is a little silly. IMHO. Emperor's New Clothes ......



It could be my offset stance, but there is a distinct difference in stability between a thick board and thin one that has nothing to do with distance from the foil.
I've tried to draw it out to understand and just can't. Possibly someone who rides with feet perfectly aligned on centerline wouldn't notice it.
I also notice thickness when taxiing in chop but obviously that's something I try to avoid.
TooMuchEpoxy
TooMuchEpoxy
445 posts
445 posts
15 May 2026 4:55am
I’ve got a lot of these features on my cabrinha swift and I hate all of them. Wave piercing nose splashes water into the receded deck and I’ve got 10 lbs of water in the deck when I’m trying to get in foil and more splashes in as fast as it drains. Also all the volume in the domes is USELESS
hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
WA, 8120 posts
16 May 2026 2:04pm
TooMuchEpoxy said..
I’ve got a lot of these features on my cabrinha swift and I hate all of them. Wave piercing nose splashes water into the receded deck and I’ve got 10 lbs of water in the deck when I’m trying to get in foil and more splashes in as fast as it drains. Also all the volume in the domes is USELESS


Haha unlike you to not like the gear you buy 😂😂
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