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How good at winging were you before you went onto the ocean/ surf beach?

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Created by Jethrow > 9 months ago, 7 Feb 2023
Jethrow
NSW, 1275 posts
7 Feb 2023 11:44AM
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So, as the heading states, how good were you at winging before you went winging from a surf beach?

I'm a flat water low-intermediate winger. Get up on the foils easy enough but not gybing yet. I drive past half a dozen nice open water beaches to get to my crowded flat water spot.

Some have suggested I just HTFU and take it on, however I'm still a little apprehensive about the shore break. I reckon I'll be fine once out there. None of the videos I've seen show someone actually getting out through the shorebreak. Most show someone getting ready to launch and then sailing nicely out the back.

Anyway, yeah I'd be interested to know what level you were at before you took on the ocean...

KB7
NSW, 123 posts
7 Feb 2023 12:55PM
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I would say it depends on your existing wave knowledge. If you already surf or kite etc then just go for it.(that is what I did) You already know how to read the swell, set timing and to look for rips to get out. Start on small days and just accept that you are going to take a few poundings and damage gear. (Tip: don't use expensive new wings to start in surf) Side or slightly cross onshore are best to start and make sure you are powered because you need more wind in the ocean than flat water to get up.

Even when you get good you still get pounded it's inevitable eventually you fall on a wave and get caught inside. Wave riding is where the real fun in winging is and Northern beaches have some great spots so get into it.

martyj4
534 posts
7 Feb 2023 10:24AM
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I agree. Existing wave knowledge is very important. Plus what the conditions are like. I've only gone into surf 3 times, but have spent lots of time scoping it out to see how to get out and if it was within my capacity to do so. Have chickened out a few times and am happy with that decision. Biggest surf had 1.5m faces. When riding waves, I didn't go the whole way in but gybed before it broke. Some would say it's a waste not to have used more of the wave (and it probably is ), but I didn't get smashed up in the whitewater if I muffed a gybe. Riding unbroken waves I found to be a real hoot.
I'm an intermediate who can gybe really reliably. I've windsurfed over 3 decades and supped for 2+.
What is the break like and what do you want to do with it?
Hollow breaks where the break is over your head when standing in water, I would completely avoid. It's gotten "smashed up gear" written all over it before you even get going.
I'd walk out into a break first with no gear to see how deep it is for getting out and whether the breakers will smother you or not. If you can get yourself out easily enough, then consider what you think it'd be like with limited ability to use your hands to swim out because theyre controlling a board and wing.
I know this isn't what surf-lifesaving would say, but the rips often tend to be a bit deeper with smaller or more rounded waves, and I've tried to get out the back through them. Again I wouldn't advocate getting into rips if you don't know what youre doing. Using rips can be more reassuring when you have a board with you as you have something to float you if you get dragged way out the back.
When going out, as soon as you can submerge your foil, flip it and get it underwater (to protect the wing from an unintended flip of board and foil onto a wing. Try and keep it out in front and swim/push the board through the waves while trailing the wing high to avoid it being caught in the whitewater. As soon as you're past the break, try and get up and going.
If you're unsure about any of the steps, break it down. Try getting yourself out there first. Next, go out with board only and see if you can manage with some redundancy. The try the wing on it's own. If it all seems too easy, try them together.
But time the sets I think is a big one for ease and minimising risk.

AUS126
NSW, 209 posts
7 Feb 2023 5:01PM
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You will be fine at Brown Water Jethrow. Easy launch and plenty of ocean swell to ride.

CH3MTR4IL5
WA, 938 posts
8 Feb 2023 5:56PM
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I vote to go as soon as possible or you'll keep putting it off. I went out as soon as i could reliably stand up. It isn't really a skill that is tied to your winging ability, and you can just stay further offshore and ride the swell while you get comfortable. My only bad experience to date has been attempting to get out in dead onshore with heavy swell, but it gave me a lot of confidence about getting hammered in the wave zone. I am in same situation of short drive to wave beaches and long drive to flat water- i started with some more sheltered wave beaches and have progressed to sketchier launches as time goes by. My general rule of thumb is if i reckon i could get out on my surf sup then it is doable on a wing.

Dspace
VIC, 320 posts
11 Feb 2023 5:38AM
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I guess I'll add this just to provide another perspective. I don't come from a surfing/wave-riding background and I'll readily admit to being a wuss around big surf. My home spot has a crappy shore break even with just a slight onshore wind direction. I ride it mostly side-off which has its own risks, or I just stick to the bays. That being said my slightly-younger-than-me surfing background friends jumped right into it (on modest shore break days) with basic jibing skills, and often get the proverbial pounding on the way out, without any regrets.

I didn't even attempt the ocean till after a year and I still don't bother trying spots with any rough looking shore break. My favorite ocean spots to date were during a trip to VIC (Torquay) and NSW (Gerroa) where it's easy to sneak out to the swell/waves. Heck, Jervis Bay had amazing swell to ride on certain big wind days.

Wave and swell riding is awesome and I love working on it whenever I can BUT, I wouldn't be so quick to trash flat water winging as totally boring and dull. There are a ton of challenging moves to learn even as a strapless (non jumping) winger and they will probably make you a better wave rider as well. They can take a lot of perseverance and humiliation to learn. When I'm at most flat water locations I hardly ever see anyone trying anything more than basic jibes and maybe a few toe-to- heel tacks. So if that's all you're doing then yes, flat water winging would be completely boring!

MidAtlanticFoil
825 posts
11 Feb 2023 3:08AM
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I'll add - For the novice oceanfront winger, be aware that the shore pound can get drastically worse during your 30 minute to 2 hour session at/past the breakwater. This will typically happen on a new frontal wind, where the first hour or two are pretty mellow, but by hour 3-6, the swells will start filling in and it can make for some hairy exits if you do not have any nooks and crannies to hide behind (jetty etc).

I've warned some wingers of this in our local group text thread. Winds been blowing for two hours at 20 knts and looks doable, but I quickly will recommend launching behind something so you have that to return to later, even it it looks doable at the standard oceanfront launch.

CH3MTR4IL5
WA, 938 posts
11 Feb 2023 10:58AM
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Dspace said..
I wouldn't be so quick to trash flat water winging as totally boring and dull. There are a ton of challenging moves to learn


i don't think we were trashing flat water, i think the OP's point was convenience of location- i have a ball doing flatwater, a basic tack is one of the funnest moves you can pull and for my money flatwater foiling is the most fun you can have in light wind.

But i can save 20 mins each side by going out at a wave beach closer to home, and have the place to myself. For me that extra 40 mins is the difference between an after-work session being worthwhile or not (or more water time!)

As per post above conditions can increase, but once you're reasonably competent (and preferably sandy bottom) you can ride in to inside the surf zone so i find getting in a lot easier than getting out.

Dspace
VIC, 320 posts
12 Feb 2023 12:15AM
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CH3MTR4IL5 said..


Dspace said..
I wouldn't be so quick to trash flat water winging as totally boring and dull. There are a ton of challenging moves to learn




i don't think we were trashing flat water, i think the OP's point was convenience of location- i have a ball doing flatwater, a basic tack is one of the funnest moves you can pull and for my money flatwater foiling is the most fun you can have in light wind.

But i can save 20 mins each side by going out at a wave beach closer to home, and have the place to myself. For me that extra 40 mins is the difference between an after-work session being worthwhile or not (or more water time!)

As per post above conditions can increase, but once you're reasonably competent (and preferably sandy bottom) you can ride in to inside the surf zone so i find getting in a lot easier than getting out.



Yeah, I was a bit harsh for a choice of words. And your right that for a lot of locations dealing with shore break is the only option to ride at all. Guess I always tend to see a general bias in this sport for wave/swell riding versus flat water (other than very basic learning topics) but that's probably best left for another discussion thread

One nice thing about delaying having to deal with shore break and all the messiness of surf/swell conditions until I had decent skills is that it made being out there way less intimidating and much more fun for this old bloke with no wave riding background!

radair
151 posts
12 Feb 2023 9:21PM
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I went in the ocean before I ever got on foil with a wing. Don't wait unless you have no surf experience dealing with shore break. No doubt having a board with foil plus a wing is much more complex than just a short board



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