Guy on wave stuffed up going too hard. Should have given guy groveling out a bit of room... he's clearly struggling with the wind; clewfirst, pretty wobbly.

Here in WA this would definitely result in some form of reactionary legislation with lollypop ladies taking to the water. Maybe a sneaky finger up the date "stop and search" once you hit the shore.

On a track this would be known as a "Racing incident" imho

Agree that the guy on the wave has a better chance of avoiding it than the guy going clew first though.

The guy on the wave has to avoid him.

From the angle of the other guy's sail, he was slogging in almost zero wind on the way in, but maybe he had dropped off the previous wave and was just getting started.

In theory the sailor sailing out has right of way for three reasons.

First he's on starboard tack, lame but still a sailing legality.

secondly he's not planing so has less steerage than the planing sailor therefore cannot avoid an incident.

Thirdly he's on his way out, general rule again, the sailor heading out to sea has right of way.

I do agree about the jeep thing........That and getting more women involved in handing out free stuff at beaches...

mattstocks said...

In theory the sailor sailing out has right of way for three reasons.

First he's on starboard tack, lame but still a sailing legality.

secondly he's not planing so has less steerage than the planing sailor therefore cannot avoid an incident.

Thirdly he's on his way out, general rule again, the sailor heading out to sea has right of way.

I do agree about the jeep thing........That and getting more women involved in handing out free stuff at beaches...

waaaaat?

First, they are both on starboard tack, the guy dogging is also sailing into the beach..

Second, starboard tack is irrelevant in surf.. On the wave, he gives way..

Thirdly, if he was sailing out, he would be on port..

Does sailing switch stance clew first on port count as starboard? lol

BTW We need to take hints from Peru windsurfing organisers...

Hopefully the new Angulo is like a red bull, it might give me wings...???

There again it might not and I might get as trashed as those two blokes in the video.

I need divine intervension with my sailing skills. I just hope it works.

I think terminal is the only one who has actually watched the vid? The only way that guy could be sailing out is if he was going clew first, and from the angle of the sail it would have had to be mega onshore.

Doesn't look even remotely onshore to me.

Anyway, commonsense should prevail, the guy on the wave should have stayed clear of the guy slogging as the guy slogging had no way of avoiding the collision.

They are both coming in so the guy on the wave needed to avoid that. The other guy was dogging, fell backwards over the front of his board when he knew he was about to be smashed.

The problem I have here is everyone saying the guy on his way out has the right of way ordinarily. WTF..... Ok sure we all go in waves for two reason (wave riding and maybe jumps) and i think that gay rule which i have heard before depends on the location too.

If u are sailing at a good wave ridin spot (Gnaraloo, spot x, margies etc) and you thing that blasting out through the line up is going to give u right of way to get a jump over the guy coming in on a wave and blasting down the line, you kinda gotta be prepared to cop a mouthful of abuse and the treat of your head being smacked in from the guy on the wave that u just fcked up his wave. It's the guy going out that should be doing everything to make sure he is not anywhere near the waveriding section on the way out if there is someone on the wave.

I think the only exception to this is if someone has caught a wave before u and fell off etc...just where u want to hit the lip then as long as they showed some attempt to not completely stuff your wave, sure, obviously dont run them over but basic rule is person on the wave should be given every opportunity to ride that without interference. It's just a respect thing I think yeah?

TerryNorth said...

They are both coming in so the guy on the wave needed to avoid that. The other guy was dogging, fell backwards over the front of his board when he knew he was about to be smashed.

The problem I have here is everyone saying the guy on his way out has the right of way ordinarily. WTF..... Ok sure we all go in waves for two reason (wave riding and maybe jumps) and i think that gay rule which i have heard before depends on the location too.

If u are sailing at a good wave ridin spot (Gnaraloo, spot x, margies etc) and you thing that blasting out through the line up is going to give u right of way to get a jump over the guy coming in on a wave and blasting down the line, you kinda gotta be prepared to cop a mouthful of abuse and the treat of your head being smacked in from the guy on the wave that u just fcked up his wave. It's the guy going out that should be doing everything to make sure he is not anywhere near the waveriding section on the way out if there is someone on the wave.

I think the only exception to this is if someone has caught a wave before u and fell off etc...just where u want to hit the lip then as long as they showed some attempt to not completely stuff your wave, sure, obviously dont run them over but basic rule is person on the wave should be given every opportunity to ride that without interference. It's just a respect thing I think yeah?

I think Terry North has a good point. If you are riding you should be able to ride the wave, however you should still be mindful of those heading out, who might not be trying to jump, just trying to get out and avoid being smashed (places like scarbs, or any where with large waves and not so good wind).

The other problem with the person on the way out having right of way (if this is the rule) is that the rider on the wave is not looking at the beach, he is looking at the next section or the lip he is about to (try and) hit.

Maybe we need a friendly word someone on the way out can yell out if they need to be avoided?

Situation maybe - yes I might be planing, but I cant go behind you because there is 3/4 mast of white water there and I am going to get trashed. Call out "Coming through" or whatever, and the rider can make a bit wider turn or whatever, sailer on the way out makes it through, and everyone is ok. (Though it goes without saying the sailor on the way out does not charge the breaking section and go for a massive backie).

Edit: Obviously if you arent planing and not trying to stuff up someones wave then you should have right of way - unless you are dropping in.

I hope I,m not grovelling out at gnaraloo in 12 knots and then have terry mow me down cause he has right of way not!!!If you are plannig on a wave face powered up u should keep clear of the sailor sub planning .

WA waverider said...

I hope I,m not grovelling out at gnaraloo in 12 knots and then have terry mow me down cause he has right of way not!!!If you are plannig on a wave face powered up u should keep clear of the sailor sub planning .

Trust me i dont mow anyone down and to be honest it doesnt worry me one bit if someone stuff's the wave im on. I dont get too phased about all that and i'd much prefer to avoid a collision. I do enough damage to myself without anyone elses gear in the mix. I know people who do get annoyed though and i agree that it is just courteous to do as much as you can to make sure you are not in their way if it is a predominantly wave sailing location and they are on the wave.

ozpricey said...

ha lovin it

not sure if this is right?

busterwa said...

not sure if this is right?

Starboard rule doesn't matter in surf.. How do people not know this?

One guy isn't moving FFS, the other guy is being a flog 'wannabe polakow', who stacks it when he should have completely pulled out... He was on the wave so he gives way, no question.. He deserves to be curb stomped for that effort..

There is no discussion in this particular case, but it proves that once people get on a wave and have the smallest inkling that they have right of way, they turn into a complete muppets and start running people over... For this reason there can be no grey areas where the guy heading out is 'expected' to give way to the wave rider (unless everybody knows everybody and trust each other)...