What is the smallest production sail for stormy conditions?

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Icelake
Icelake
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98 posts
9 Jan 2025 2:13am
What is the smallest production sail for stormy conditions (40+ with 50+knots gusts)?

Brand/type and experiences.

My smallest is a 2014 Gaastra Manic 3.3 (2024 8x)
I have also an old 2000? North Voodoo 3.0 with like 15 battens that is delaminating.

With the 3.3 the last 2 sessions blown off the water...so, we need a smaller sail (instead of 'a bigger boat').
SurferKris
SurferKris
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498 posts
9 Jan 2025 3:37am
Severne Redback used to go down to 2.0, and the latest model goes down to 2.5. The Severne S1 goes down to 3.0.

What is your body weight?
I have used a Goya 3.1 sail at Pozo, and doubt I would ever need anything smaller than that.
sprayblaze
sprayblaze
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179 posts
9 Jan 2025 4:30am
SurferKris said..
Severne Redback used to go down to 2.0, and the latest model goes down to 2.5. The Severne S1 goes down to 3.0.

What is your body weight?
I have used a Goya 3.1 sail at Pozo, and doubt I would ever need anything smaller than that.


Imho a very good small wave sail for a 70-75 kg guy was the Goya fringe 3.0 and in rare cases 2.8.. three battens but amazing stability and lightness. This means winds 35 -40knots and above. Unfortunately don't make them anymore. In such gnarly conditions you also need a sail built to last, not a disposable. I would point the Simmer Black tip Legacy 3.1 as an option.
jksmurf
jksmurf
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216 posts
9 Jan 2025 8:31am
We have a 2.9 and 3.3 NP Combat wave, 4 battens, wife uses them a lot, always for free-foiling though, very rare to get those conditions here. Nice and light, stable, breathes well with decent DH but still enough tum to not be too on/off.

We had 1.5, 2.0, 2.5 and 3.0 NP Dragonfly's for the kids when they were learning, but I wouldn't recommend them for storm sailing TBH.

The second part of this short vid has stronger winds.
ION had some small rigs at one stage
WaterNomads
WaterNomads
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90 posts
9 Jan 2025 9:56am
I've seen some pretty small Hot Sails Maui, though not sure how small they go.
Grantmac
Grantmac
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2383 posts
9 Jan 2025 11:16am
Ezzy Wave available as a 2.8
Icelake
Icelake
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98 posts
9 Jan 2025 4:04pm
SurferKris said..


What is your body weight?







70 -73 KG and rig up a size smaller then others (4.7-> 4.5/4.2 ->4.0, enz.)

2025 all two sessions very overpowered with 3.3

The sail doesn't have to be a recent sail.
Preferable like 10 years because of the price...

Anyone tried junior sails for these conditions?
Hydrosurf
Hydrosurf
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279 posts
9 Jan 2025 10:48pm
I was looking online at a used 2.5 Sailworks revolution at a shop in Toronto Canada.
SurferKris
SurferKris
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498 posts
10 Jan 2025 1:32am
Icelake said..
Anyone tried junior sails for these conditions?


I'm about 65kg and I've fairly recently got myself a few of the Severne Redback sails (3.4 -4.7). I really like them, the range is much larger (for me) compared to regular sails. It is the low-end that is better, as they are softer, while the high-end is no problem (I feel overpowered/out of control, before the sail itself is out of range).

Regular sails in the small sizes always feel very twitchy to me, I think this is caused by the fact that us lightweights will be using them in wind strengths below their actual design. Using a softer mast can help a little bit, but not as much as the dedicated junior/women sails.

The Redbacks start going earlier, about "1/2 size" to me. I.e. when I would normally hesitate between a 5.3 and 4.7 (Severne Blades) the Redback 4.7 works just great.
Hanstholm
Hanstholm
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72 posts
10 Jan 2025 3:22am
I think if you already have 3.3 or 3.0 there is no need to go down to smaller sizes because this wouldn't increase your fun anyway. My experience is that it doesn't matter if you hold on 3.3 or 3.0 if you have solid 50+kts wind. Its more key to have a forgiving board which sits solid on the waterline like a Quatro Cube 72 (for your weight) for example which doesnt care about chop or gusts. If your board is not bouncing over chop and have a good control in the air you can handle almost everything. If you cant hold the sail even in survival mode, then better stay on the Beach because its to dangerous anyway. You also need to think about that usually no one can help you if you break something. Cheers
Taavi
Taavi
428 posts
428 posts
11 Jan 2025 3:52am
I changed from Fringe 3.0 to Banzai Surf 2.8, but haven't had a chance to use it yet. Fringe 3.0 worked amazing though, did not require too much wind to have a good session with it.



Icelake
Icelake
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98 posts
11 Jan 2025 4:58am
@Taavi: That's the stuff (sails and clip). Yes Yeah!
sprayblaze
sprayblaze
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179 posts
12 Jan 2025 1:38am
Taavi said..
I changed from Fringe 3.0 to Banzai Surf 2.8, but haven't had a chance to use it yet. Fringe 3.0 worked amazing though, did not require too much wind to have a good session with it.





The Fringes 20/21, especially small sizes, were amazing. Stable, light, durable,3 battens, lots of low end, lots of high end. Goya didn't realize what a gem they had produced imho. Very, very hard to beat. I am not giving them for their new stuff-AT ALL. A pity they discarded it.
Taavi
Taavi
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428 posts
12 Jan 2025 3:28am
sprayblaze said..
The Fringes 20/21, especially small sizes, were amazing. Stable, light, durable,3 battens, lots of low end, lots of high end. Goya didn't realize what a gem they had produced imho. Very, very hard to beat. I am not giving them for their new stuff-AT ALL. A pity they discarded it.



Even the older years were amazing. I have been riding Fringes a lot, almost exclusively, since the very first model, and grew very fond of the feeling over the time.



But now I don't think there is anything the new stuff does not do. Even in our mediocre conditions back at home. Good thing is, when coming from a Fringe, the Banzai Surf feels right at home. Well, at least I got used to it right away.



Doggerland
Doggerland
229 posts
229 posts
20 Jan 2025 6:33pm
Hotsails Maui Superfreak was a 3.3 sail that surprised me in atrocious conditions (gusting well into the fifties), very manageable..usually detest below 3.5 as a 100kg lump.
FreakDrew
FreakDrew
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13 posts
25 Jan 2025 10:15pm
Check the HotSailsMaui site for their used SuperFreaks. Those sails are amazing in overpowered & gusty conditions. Tough as nails as well.

There's a 3.2 Maui Edition (wave cut) in there that looks new.

www.hotsailsmaui.com/product-category/used-sails-and-masts/used-superfreak-sails/

Drew
Taavi
Taavi
428 posts
428 posts
26 Jan 2025 10:06pm
Just remembered I have one more clip with a fair bit of Goya Fringe 3.0 action (the blue sail in the first half of the clip). So if anybody is interested in how a small sail handles in some waves, then take a look. Does not have to be 50 knots to use a smallish sail. Other sails used in this clip are: Fringe 3.5 and 4.0.

sprayblaze
sprayblaze
179 posts
179 posts
28 Jan 2025 6:41pm
Taavi said..
Just remembered I have one more clip with a fair bit of Goya Fringe 3.0 action (the blue sail in the first half of the clip). So if anybody is interested in how a small sail handles in some waves, then take a look. Does not have to be 50 knots to use a smallish sail. Other sails used in this clip are: Fringe 3.5 and 4.0.




Taavi said..
Just remembered I have one more clip with a fair bit of Goya Fringe 3.0 action (the blue sail in the first half of the clip). So if anybody is interested in how a small sail handles in some waves, then take a look. Does not have to be 50 knots to use a smallish sail. Other sails used in this clip are: Fringe 3.5 and 4.0.




This is the best edition of the fringes in terms of build and looks -20/21. And the Banzais too. After that steadily going down.
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