Maui Ultra fins Delta XT 24 review 135L Rocket 8.6 TurboGT

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KJ
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KJ KJ
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24 May 2017 11:18pm
Had my 1st go on my new Delta XT 24cm last weekend.

It works!

Ok here's the context it was used in: A lake, full of weed, many weed patches at the surface, hence the water conditions are very smooth, or with very slight chop. The wind was 12-16knts, however I had to change down from 8.6 (2017 Turbo GT) to my 8.1 (2016 Turbo - very different from the 8.6 GT) as the wind picked up to 15-18knts.

My impressions:
Planning / grip to push against: Good
Upwind: good
Speed: Average (by feel)
Gybing: good, but need to be careful

The fin doesn't alter the trim of the board like some classic weed fins do, hence it feels quite like a conventional fin. It got me up and planning easily and went up wind well. Speed felt ok, however this was hard to judge as I wasn't GPSing it. Gybing was good however you had to be carful not to be really aggressive in choppy water as you could spin it out on turn in. There was a slight tug when going through the weed beds, however no weed was court.

Overall I was impressed, it did what it said it would do on the label. Sure it doesn't have the performance of your high octane slalom fin, however it got me sailing and having fun in conditions where it would be impossible to sail in with conventional fins.
I liked it well enough to order a 20cm one for my 7.0m and 115L and hopefully I'll have a go on it this Saturday if it arrives on time
Dean 424
Dean 424
NSW
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25 May 2017 8:34am
What width board where you using? If you where going to use a 7.8 and 8.6 on a 115 (70cm) what size fin do you think? Thanks
legless
legless
SA
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25 May 2017 8:15am
Dean 424 said..
What width board where you using? If you where going to use a 7.8 and 8.6 on a 115 (70cm) what size fin do you think? Thanks


You would be looking at a Delta XT 20 or 22 depending on your weight and how much grip you want.







BBsurfer
BBsurfer
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23 posts
25 May 2017 3:49pm
Hi KJ,

you mentioned in your post that the 2016 Turbo 8.1 is very different from the new 2017 Turbo GT 8.6.

Since I?m interested regarding this sails, could you give some information regarding the differences.

Thank you
Bernhard
joe windsurf
joe windsurf
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25 May 2017 5:49pm
i am impressed - 24 is half the length i would use with an 8.x meter sail !!!
so, it is good for weeds AND shallow waters
legless
legless
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25 May 2017 8:12pm
joe windsurf said..
i am impressed - 24 is half the length i would use with an 8.x meter sail !!!
so, it is good for weeds AND shallow waters


Some have gone well using a Delta XT 20 with a 7.9 in very thick and shallow weedy water.

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KJ
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KJ KJ
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26 May 2017 12:01pm
BBsurfer said..
Hi KJ,

you mentioned in your post that the 2016 Turbo 8.1 is very different from the new 2017 Turbo GT 8.6.

Since I?m interested regarding this sails, could you give some information regarding the differences.

Thank you
Bernhard


My rocket 135L is 76cm wide, its a 2016 model, I'm 87kg. I also have a 115L Tabou Rocket 66cm wide, plus 7.0m overdrive and 5.6, 6.2 Reflex 7 along with some speed boards.

Bernhard - Yes they are quite different sails. The 2016 8.1, feels more like a slalom sail, more like my overdrive. The top end is great, it doesn't get "back hand heavy" when starting to get over powered or a gust hits. Bottom end is ok, but not the greatest. It gybes well, the cams coming around quite easy, easier than my 7mOD, but not quite as easy as the GT. With my 135 is takes 12-13knts to get me going, its great fun 13-16knts, really like it in mod to powered conditions.

The GT is a different beast. There is a lot more area in the head of the sail. The bottom end on this thing is really good. I get going in 10-12knts with my 135L. There is a strong and steady pull with the bottom end, that pops you up onto the plane. The sail gybes really well with the cams popping over easily and the sail does feel light in the hands. However with sails there is always a compromise; it does get quite back handy heavy when it starts to get powered up and becomes uncomfortable to sail. You can't tune this out.

Even though the gap I have is only 0.5m between the sails, it's more like a 0.8-1.0m gap. I can't really make up my mind with the GT some times. I would like more top end, however my objective with the set up was for a light wind cruiser. I've tried 3-4 cam racers in the past in the large sizes, however they become very heavy when the wind is marginal. The GT is light and easy to flick around, almost feeling like a non cammed sail to manoeuver, it's really great in this regard. Overall the GT meets my light wind objective, I just change down early when the wind gets up

BBsurfer
BBsurfer
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23 posts
27 May 2017 11:57pm
KJ said..

BBsurfer said..
Hi KJ,

you mentioned in your post that the 2016 Turbo 8.1 is very different from the new 2017 Turbo GT 8.6.

Since I?m interested regarding this sails, could you give some information regarding the differences.

Thank you
Bernhard



My rocket 135L is 76cm wide, its a 2016 model, I'm 87kg. I also have a 115L Tabou Rocket 66cm wide, plus 7.0m overdrive and 5.6, 6.2 Reflex 7 along with some speed boards.

Bernhard - Yes they are quite different sails. The 2016 8.1, feels more like a slalom sail, more like my overdrive. The top end is great, it doesn't get "back hand heavy" when starting to get over powered or a gust hits. Bottom end is ok, but not the greatest. It gybes well, the cams coming around quite easy, easier than my 7mOD, but not quite as easy as the GT. With my 135 is takes 12-13knts to get me going, its great fun 13-16knts, really like it in mod to powered conditions.



Thanks a lot KJ, that was the information that I was looking for.
Tardy
Tardy
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5350 posts
28 May 2017 5:58am
thanks for posting .
I'm also looking for a short fin ,
I have a 115 rocket and use a 7.5 usually with a 36 weed fin
do scrape a lot on low tide days .
maybe I could use a 22 '@ 96 kgs .
legless
legless
SA
852 posts
SA, 852 posts
28 May 2017 9:18am
Tardy said..
thanks for posting .
I'm also looking for a short fin ,
I have a 115 rocket and use a 7.5 usually with a 36 weed fin
do scrape a lot on low tide days .
maybe I could use a 22 '@ 96 kgs .


Yes the MUF Delta XT 22 would work
KJ
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KJ KJ
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28 May 2017 10:45am
My 20cm XT arrived on Friday and I gave it a good go yesterday. 20knts, 7.0 overdrive R8 (fully powered) 115L rocket. The water level was bit higher than the other day, hence there was slight more chop on the lake. However I also got right up into the weed beds where the water was dead smooth.

The fin worked well, no problem in the chop (however the chop was only slight) and it cut through the weed beds no problem ( I shat myself first run wondering if it was going to catch - I did the un hook chicken) , however no problem.

The speed felt better than the 24cm (135L & 8.1) however up wind wasn't quite so good. You still had to be slightly careful at turn in on the gybe, but less so than on my 24cm and 135L. Down wind speed runs where ok, however not like a speed fin when you bare away. Overall I really like these fins, they feel quite conventional and easy to get use to quickly.

Tardy - yes a 22cm would be the one. I felt the 20cm with my 115L & 7.0 was a little marginal when it was light









Faff
Faff
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28 May 2017 12:17pm
KJ said..
My 20cm XT arrived on Friday and I gave it a good go yesterday. 20knts, 7.0 overdrive R8 (fully powered) 115L rocket. The water level was bit higher than the other day, hence there was slight more chop on the lake. However I also got right up into the weed beds where the water was dead smooth.

The fin worked well, no problem in the chop (however the chop was only slight) and it cut through the weed beds no problem ( I shat myself first run wondering if it was going to catch - I did the un hook chicken) , however no problem.

The speed felt better than the 24cm (135L & 8.1) however up wind wasn't quite so good. You still had to be slightly careful at turn in on the gybe, but less so than on my 24cm and 135L. Down wind speed runs where ok, however not like a speed fin when you bare away. Overall I really like these fins, they feel quite conventional and easy to get use to quickly.

Tardy - yes a 22cm would be the one. I felt the 20cm with my 115L & 7.0 was a little marginal when it was light










How well did the guy on the Goya quad do?
Tardy
Tardy
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28 May 2017 11:41am
Fin looks good ...and gives a better idea with the picture with the fin on the board .
this will mean I can get out in the water earlier with the lower tides up north .
with this smaller fin .
it has good area so I should be able to get up wind in light 14-16 knot days .on a 7.0 x15 4 cam tushingham.
i have a 2015 115 ,ltd rocket .shape remains the same .great board .
thanks .

it was hard to watch the kite s in low tide last year sail at low ..it's our turn.
36 -22 =14 less fin ...that's a lot of water .

will check sail surf Australia for supply .
legless
legless
SA
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SA, 852 posts
28 May 2017 4:20pm
Tardy said..

will check sail surf Australia for supply .


They are so new MUF does not have them on there website. The only place in Australia with them in stock is windsurfingshop.com.au
KJ
KJ
VIC
164 posts
KJ KJ
VIC, 164 posts
28 May 2017 9:44pm
MrCranky said..

KJ said..
My 20cm XT arrived on Friday and I gave it a good go yesterday. 20knts, 7.0 overdrive R8 (fully powered) 115L rocket. The water level was bit higher than the other day, hence there was slight more chop on the lake. However I also got right up into the weed beds where the water was dead smooth.

The fin worked well, no problem in the chop (however the chop was only slight) and it cut through the weed beds no problem ( I shat myself first run wondering if it was going to catch - I did the un hook chicken) , however no problem.

The speed felt better than the 24cm (135L & 8.1) however up wind wasn't quite so good. You still had to be slightly careful at turn in on the gybe, but less so than on my 24cm and 135L. Down wind speed runs where ok, however not like a speed fin when you bare away. Overall I really like these fins, they feel quite conventional and easy to get use to quickly.

Tardy - yes a 22cm would be the one. I felt the 20cm with my 115L & 7.0 was a little marginal when it was light










How well did the guy on the Goya quad do?


not so good, he took his quad out as it was a better option than his single fin, however it was still catching weed badly
Tardy
Tardy
5350 posts
5350 posts
30 May 2017 10:53am
OK. You talked me into it .I'll get one in a couple of weeks .just have a final payment on a board .
i reckon they are a great idea ,be great to have one in the north west . this year .
scraped a lot last year as we hit a low tide ..for the week ...I had to be careful as I only had one fin ,
its a bloody long drive back to get another .
i will let you know what I think ...about the fin .

ps.

Im thinking if I shouldn't get the 24 over the 22 as I'm heavy 95 kgs my sail is heavy 4 cam race and would like to use it in 15 knots .?

when using normal fins .i use a 38 &42 with a 7.0 . Or a 33 weed .but it has good area .

is there a scale of equability ...I think I could probably use either .22' or 24 .
i hate been under finned .but then I hate been over finned equally .
Faff
Faff
VIC
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VIC, 1419 posts
30 May 2017 1:31pm

KJ said..


not so good, he took his quad out as it was a better option than his single fin, however it was still catching weed badly


Actually I was wondering why you were on such different sized gear. Did he expect to get planing?
KJ
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KJ KJ
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31 May 2017 1:44pm
MrCranky said..





KJ said..




not so good, he took his quad out as it was a better option than his single fin, however it was still catching weed badly




Actually I was wondering why you were on such different sized gear. Did he expect to get planing?



the quad is a 105L and the sail a 5.7blade, so in 20knts he was going ok, just the issue with the weed. The wind was 16-24knts, so gusty, however the chop small hence I can hold a lot of sail area down

I sail with a 38cm with my 7.0, a 42, which I do have, is to much for me. The 24XT felt good with my 135 and 8.6&8.1
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