hey, ha, your brother is a hell man roger,, now, everybody settle down, look if you think sailing from one point to another in an enclosed body of water is a big deal then i dont think your ready to tackle the ocean, ive sailed all over bot, heaps of people have, its no big deal to me, i would never think sailing from keemaugh to kurnell warrants a mention, but its ok and i think well done if this is something your working towards for yourself, as i said if you wanna work some confidence up in terms of sailing away from where you started, then botany is a good safe option with some long runs, if you want to get some confidence in the ocean........sail the ocean, its no big deal, its all windsurfing, the only real challenge of the ocean is the break, once your out past it, youve just got rolling swell to deal with, the further you go out, the more the swell changes direction, making it easier to bear through, personally, im pulling out of sailing with you guys, it appears people think its too big a deal, me, ill do it when i feel like it, pfffff," rest assure nothing like what youd face in open water", get real man, what are we gunna face? the worlds end,,,,,, although i do agree with stelsger, i have had problems with whales, there not malicious, but there massive, slimy and scary,,,,, powersloshin, moby, you guys should challenge yourself, sail all over bot, ive sailed with both you guys, your both magnificent and can easily do it, the only real concern is broken gear, everybody breaks gear, ive broken gear about 2km out to sea, in the middle of botany, canton, la perouse, still here and still happy to sail away from shore, my concern for you powersloshin is your gear, but in bot, its ok, theres land alround you.......this is something that really is no big deal, im sure when windsurfing attracted more people, braver people, they would be sailing from bryon to sydney, alot of my local heros have all done some long big sessions, ****, ol pete and me regulary sail from canton to entrance, ill tell ya a sweet run is start at keemaugh, and all the way out the heads at la perouse in ne, back your skills boys, in boxing terms you cant always work the bag, its time to start doing it for real, start easy, perhaps mundine, ha goodluck, c ya soon