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sunshinestar
sunshinestar
WA
5 posts
WA, 5 posts
8 Nov 2008 4:37pm
I was wondering if someone could pleas give me some advice, I am just learning to windsurf and am having trouble trying to figure out what kind/size board & sail i should get. I am 6ft & 65kg can anyone help me?? I am in WA
hardie
hardie
WA
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WA, 4133 posts
8 Nov 2008 4:46pm
sunshinestar said...

I was wondering if someone could pleas give me some advice, I am just learning to windsurf and am having trouble trying to figure out what kind/size board & sail i should get. I am 6ft & 65kg can anyone help me?? I am in WA



Something like the JP Young gun is a very versatile board, have one for my daughter put two fins in it and she windsurfs easily and she's 11 it becomes a gliding learner board, then when the wind comes up, I take the middle fin out and go blasting on a fully planing allrounder!!

Other great learner boards are the Starboard Go, easiest board to learn on, but you'll grow out of it. There's an Exocet board, there's one for sale in the Buy and sell section here, have a look, that would be good if it's the one I'm thinking of.
dism
dism
NSW
660 posts
NSW, 660 posts
8 Nov 2008 6:53pm
Hey sunshinestar,

I'm same sorta stats as you

What level are you at exactly, uphaul/fall off, tacking?, blasting around, keeping balance but not much sail stuff???

My guesses (but I had this in older gear which was narrower width then the easier new gear)
Real Beginner ~ 150+L
Beginner/Grow-into Light Wind Board ~120-130L

All the boards hardie mentioned are good

Something wide (prob 70cm ish)

Sail probably 5m





sunshinestar
sunshinestar
WA
5 posts
WA, 5 posts
8 Nov 2008 8:47pm
umm i was just askin a question to get advice, does it really matter if i am a mum or not? (and by the way no i am not) [}:)] so really what is the problem?

thanks to the people who gave me advice though you have helped heaps!!!
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
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8 Nov 2008 11:23pm
Getting back on topic of learning to windsurf, which is what we're all interested in!

If you a are a rank beginner, a big board like a SB Go or equivalent (100cm wide) with centre board and a small battened sail will have you progressing the fastest.

We've had a couple of the girls in the group start lately and we were quite impressed how quickly they progressed on this type of gear.

The big board allows you to concentrate on sail handling technique without having to worry about board balance too much. Once you get the feel of the wind and you can use the sail to help you balance then you can start concentrating on board skills and smaller board. Also centre board keeps board tracking straight with smaller sails.

We have started them on a 3.5m wave sail.
1. because it easy to up haul out for the water, 2. It's light and handles a broad range ow wind conditions. The were both 45kg girl, with your height and weight you could probably go around 4.5-5m. See below, our learner sailing confidently after a couple of hours on the water.

However if you have progressed pas the basics then a wide freeride board around 125L & 5.5 sail would be the go.

Maybe you could tell us a little about your skill level.


sflack
sflack
VIC
574 posts
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8 Nov 2008 11:43pm
I think a Jp Freestyle Board around the 100 litres mark!

I think they are great boards, really floaty, and you can keep them forever!

NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
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8 Nov 2008 10:58pm
sflack said...

I think a Jp Freestyle Board around the 100 litres mark!

I think they are great boards, really floaty, and you can keep them forever!




After the 125 litre board.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12873 posts
WA, 12873 posts
8 Nov 2008 10:08pm
Hey, waiting4wind, all good advice except in my opinion, sail size.
Don't forget we're in WA, and coming into start of the season.
I think 4.5/5.0 is a much better choice, it won't be long before that's a good medium wind sail.
And a good low wind learning size now.
I'm a little bit over sunshine's weight and my biggest sail is a 6.0.
sflack
sflack
VIC
574 posts
VIC, 574 posts
9 Nov 2008 12:24am
nah 100 litre for her first!!!

Shes only 65 kgs! Which means that she has 35litres of positive volume! thats plenty!
WA66
WA66
WA
138 posts
WA, 138 posts
8 Nov 2008 10:38pm
Hi sunshinestar. Have you had any lessons yet?
If not then I recommend getting a tiny sail to start with.
Around the siize of 3m. This is the best way to learn sail control.
Also a BIG board to first learn on. Good if you can borrow this stuff as you will soon be past it.
Good luck
sharkbiscuit
sharkbiscuit
820 posts
820 posts
9 Nov 2008 12:10am
SSS, Agreed. Don't buy anything until you have had a few lessons (I am your weight / height)

I've just completed the beginner board progression. I had half a season on beginner
boards, and then jumped to intermediate equipment (148L board, 5.2L sail). This
was a big jump in progression... and it took me few stacks and tips to get it going
(for a while there I had serious doubts).

With a few lessons, you may find you can jump straight to intermediate gear.
If you're like some people, you might progress much slower and a jump to intermediate
equipment will be too big. In this case you're just become pissed off, injure yourself
and your equipment.

Good luck with it ;)]

Ja
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
9 Nov 2008 4:34am
Too many "Ifs" and "buts" here. As often the case, people project what they did themselves, or where they're like to see her/him - for some weird reason.

Let have her tell us where she's at (how many outings or years, etc.) and where she wants to get in 1-2-3 years (just planing back and fro, eventually waves or freestyle, getting about in all winds or not, etc.).

Well ?
OceanBlue64
OceanBlue64
VIC
980 posts
VIC, 980 posts
9 Nov 2008 9:56am
sflack said...

nah 100 litre for her first!!!

Shes only 65 kgs! Which means that she has 35litres of positive volume! thats plenty!


I only weigh 73kg and a 100l board would have been way to small for me when I started. Something in the 130 - 150 is ideal. It makes progressing from beginner to intermediate far quicker and easier. A smaller sail is good too 5.5 - 4.5. You can learn sail handling skills without being overpowered.

If you are a raw beginner I would advise getting at least a few lessons or at least sail with more experienced people who can help you along.

One final tip: Do a search through this forum for the beginner tips (there are heaps). I found it an invaluable source of information. And dont wory about some of the comments on here. Us guys dont mean to offend. Its just sometimes our social skills and manners are a little lacking (blame it on having fallen off the board one too many times)
ejmack
ejmack
VIC
1308 posts
VIC, 1308 posts
9 Nov 2008 10:10am
Yep, agree with OB64, at least 130 litres..... you want to progress quickly and not get frustrated with too small a board. And they are always good for those light wind days when you want to practice a bit of light wind sailing etc. Go the GO!
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
9 Nov 2008 10:44am
To add to the mix - wife and daughter absolute newbies - three or four sails on a 165 funster (80cm wide) and 3.3 experience sail and theyre are sailing in and out tacking and able to head up or down wind with some simple commands (from the beach/water).

There is no way either of them would have done this on 110 or 120 L board which some are recomending. They tried on an old Tyronsea and due to the narrow long board spent more time in the water than on it.

Some of the "advice" (understandably tongue in cheek) given here to Sunshine is from people that really don't understand the basic needs of a beginner - stability and low risk of falling in the water (which is what scares them the most) and a centre board to maximise upwind ability and stability -

If you want to put people off sailing forever tell them to start on a board thats too small too early and they spend their time falling off and losing ground, cant get back from deeper water and need rescuing. you do them and windsurfing no favours.

The funster style boards actually get planing quite well and are good fun for more experienced sailors to practice their own moves in light winds. I'd rather be sailing waves on my evo but when its 12 knots and youre cruising around with the wife and kids it puts a smile on your face.

Go for a big board Sunshine and enjoy it - and get a friend along to learn with you - the best way to push youreslf to the next level - and you've always got it for practicing moves when you get a smaller board in the future.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
9 Nov 2008 11:19am
Hi Sunshinestar. My wife has started learning windsurfing. I've borrowed a Go 155 and also use a Tabou 140. Both these boards are the new style of being fairly wide and short. On both these boards her biggest problem is getting forward motion after uphauling the sail. They take a bit of technique the stop moving sideways, drifting downwind and start getting forward momentum. Waiting4Wind's board, the RRD is good because it has a little centreboard that helps gives a bit of directional drive.

If you live in Perth your best bet would be to get lessons on the Swan River. We were over in Perth a few months ago and its a great place for windsurfing. Good on you for taking up windsurfing. Once you start doing it tell all your mates and get them into it. Windsurfing is great fun.

Annika
Annika
WA
48 posts
WA, 48 posts
9 Nov 2008 9:31am
Hey sunshinestar,

Good to have another girl getting out there.

What most of the guys here have said has been right.

It really depends on your skill, perseverance, where you are sailing and what level you are at.

But here is what I would recommend:
If you buy a large board/small sail (150lt board, 3.5m sail) at this point you will probably out grow it too quickly.

Whilst you are a complete beginner: Get lessons and the hire the board until you are confident sailing back and forth in 10 to 15 knt winds. By this point you will be at the stage of thinking about beach starting/harness work and foot straps.

Then a board around 120lts and a sail around 5m should be fine, but who ever gave you lessons should be able to advise on the best set up to suit you. If you are only going to be one sail do not go smaller than this or you will not have enough power to progress.

I sail quite a lot, so if you want to sail with another girl I'm happy to give you a few pointers. Just send me an email.

Cheers,
Annika

sunshinestar
sunshinestar
WA
5 posts
WA, 5 posts
9 Nov 2008 3:30pm
Thanks everyone

I am actually down in Albany so there arnt many options for me to get lessons, so I have been learning a bit with a more experienced person that goes out quite a bit in our harbour here. I really would like to take proper ones though.

Really i dont know what i want out of it, i just want to learn it, get better and have loads of fun!
dism
dism
NSW
660 posts
NSW, 660 posts
9 Nov 2008 5:55pm
sunshinestar said...

Really i dont know what i want out of it, i just want to learn it, get better and have loads of fun!


You'll start just being stoked staying up right, then you'll go a bit faster and start catapulting a bit (nothing to worry about they don't hurt), then chuck your feet in the straps and throw the harness on and hook in and you;ll feel the next rush.

Then you'll struggle around alot with tacks/gybes

Then you'll wanna try more open water...thats what i'm at (still dodgy at alot but)

Chris 249
Chris 249
NSW
3573 posts
NSW, 3573 posts
9 Nov 2008 9:28pm
russh said...

To add to the mix - wife and daughter absolute newbies - three or four sails on a 165 funster (80cm wide) and 3.3 experience sail and theyre are sailing in and out tacking and able to head up or down wind with some simple commands (from the beach/water).

There is no way either of them would have done this on 110 or 120 L board which some are recomending. They tried on an old Tyronsea and due to the narrow long board spent more time in the water than on it.

Some of the "advice" (understandably tongue in cheek) given here to Sunshine is from people that really don't understand the basic needs of a beginner - stability and low risk of falling in the water (which is what scares them the most) and a centre board to maximise upwind ability and stability -


Gotta agree with a lot of that, but you may not need a wide board in all places. We would have taught well over 100 people when we were with the uni club. Many of them were from places where large bodies of water were unknown, or from areas where the water is frozen half the year. And yet, on old narrow boards with a decent smaller sail, all but about two got sailing on their first two-hour session. It's not hard to get someone tacking and gybing on their first session, on long narrow boards.

However, since Sunshine is in WA, a fat board would be the way to go - but it's not necessarily the right way all the time in all the places.

westozwind
westozwind
WA
1418 posts
WA, 1418 posts
10 Nov 2008 9:33am
Hi sunshinestar,
Great to hear you are getting into Windsurfing.
The biggest tip I can give you that really helped my wife out is to go and get the lightest boom and mast you can find.
I know in most cases, this means a carbon boom, so find a good second hand one. A light race mast (400cm) will also be an advantage. This setup saves a lot of weight in the rig for uphauling and lower swing weight when tacking and gybing.
I agree with the 120Ltr ish board choice for your location. My preference would be the JP X-Cite ride as it can be used by beginner to advanced sailors.
Have fun. And welcome to the sport
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
10 Nov 2008 2:00pm
When you learn or borrow equipment or rig up your own, at the beginning make sure the booms aren't too high. Very often taller guys teach people with high booms and that's counter-productive. You can take them up as you get faster in stronger winds, but not in the beginning.
Tornado Crew
Tornado Crew
NT
55 posts
NT, 55 posts
10 Nov 2008 1:08pm
Hey there SS, I too come from aplace where lessons cannot be had...

What i learnt on was an old one design board with an old crappy sail and dodgy gear, taught myself and after about 8 months of WS I'm now getting the hang of carve gybing and the likes...(new gear given to me by local guy)

Personally, I'm about 5' 10" and weigh 70kgs, The best thing you can do is fall off a lot, enjoy it and do it lots, the more you do it, the more you'll fall off and the more you'll learn!! Also you get a bit more exercise from uphauling the sail everytime! I'm in Darwin so The first sail I used was a 6.5...Bit big fo south i guess!

I'm now on a 145 litre board with an 8m sail and progressing...What i do is just ask questions, Find a person who looks like they know what they're doing, don't get lessons from them, just go out with them, ask questions and fall in!! the more you fall in the more you learn! (in the beginning)
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
10 Nov 2008 3:27pm
If you can't get lessons another option is buying an instructional video. eg. Peter Hart or Hitech Maui. There is even some free stuff on the web, Search for the Guy Cribb stuff (UK).

A few good pointers can save a lot of frustration as can good light equipment. As per westOZwind. I use my best wave gear for teaching, carbon boom, 100% carbon mast and small light wave sail. It doesn't have to be difficult.

It was quite amusing that my partner didn't actually fall off her board (1m wide leaves lots or room for error) until she started using the harness. She then earned her bruises with some good catapaults.

After buying the big board I realised that there could be a good second hand market for these boards as many people have asked me where they can buy one and or offering to buy mine. So all in all I figure that the leaner board experience should only cost a few hundred, well worth the expense for the progress you can achieve.
Zed
Zed
WA
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Zed Zed
WA, 1274 posts
11 Nov 2008 11:15am

Sunshinestar - as far as gear is concerned it all depends on how often you intend to sail and how good you aim to get. If you sail on a regular basis, you'll advance fairly quickly and outgrow your beginner gear. But if it's just the occasional sail, then the Starboard Go and/or Start with 3m sail would be a good option. If you sail regularly then start out with cheap second hand beginner gear as you'll probably ditch it after a few months. My folks live down in Albany so I'll keep an eye out for you next time I'm out sailing. I usually take aStarboard Go down there to teacg family/friends etc and found Frenchmans Bay a pretty good place to teach/learn.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
11 Nov 2008 7:33pm
Zed said...


See, this is what I'm talkin' 'bout!
Was that comment really necessary?

Here, let me do it for you.....


Grow up. This is a troll-free forum. There are hundreds of forums out there that you can join if you want to trade insults, spark controversy, wind people up etc This is a Windsurfing/Surfing forum predominated by men and naturally there will be comments or topics that may offend over-sensitive women such as yourself. I certainly won't be cautiously checking what I write lest I upset someone, so either accept there will 'inappropriate' comments from time to time or go and join www.wetblankets.com



I think you're over reacting Zed. I think she's fun.
smooch
smooch
27 posts
27 posts
12 Nov 2008 12:24am
Zed said...

Grow up. This is a troll-free forum. There are hundreds of forums out there that you can join if you want to trade insults, spark controversy, wind people up etc This is a Windsurfing/Surfing forum predominated by men and naturally there will be comments or topics that may offend over-sensitive women such as yourself. I certainly won't be cautiously checking what I write lest I upset someone, so either accept there will 'inappropriate' comments from time to time or go and join www.wetblankets.com


This is a Windsurfing forum and I'm a windsurfer. If I read something that I don't agree with, or find offensive, I will make a comment on it, just as you would, I assume Zed.
It's just a shame that you believe that men, by nature, are offensive to women.
You wont be checking what you write, probably because you don't give a s**t what women think/want. But I do hope that there are others out there who may think twice in the future.


FlickySpinny
FlickySpinny
WA
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12 Nov 2008 9:28am
Tell us what kind of sailing you do Smooch, and what kind of kit do you use...?
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