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actiomax
actiomax
NSW
1576 posts
NSW, 1576 posts
20 Jun 2010 8:12pm
I want to have a go at making my own fins as they are very expensive for what you get i think .And with all the clever people on this forum I figuered somebody would be making there own .I have a 103 lt f2 xtc and the fin that came with it is a mfc move 35cm .I was thinking about 45cm for light wind days & 25 cm for heavier days .Im 70kg and have 4,5,6,7.4 90% time its 7.4 as its mainly light i want to get 8.5ish & am hoping to build a fin collection to suit As a bit of mucking around i have made timber blanks to get the shape i want .It has been suggested to me to try & buy a blank & use stock removal to get shape but this seems to be a uneccessary i have though of casting but who knows .Im sure the wise sages of seabreeze do?...............
h20
h20
VIC
458 posts
h20 h20
VIC, 458 posts
20 Jun 2010 8:24pm
As the fin is often the only thing in the water, it is probably one of the most important thngs in your gear bag. Why spend $3000 on a board that on good days shouldn't have morethan 30 cm in the water and worry about $100 for a fin. I have made one before but would not have matched a second hand one from srabreeze. Factor in your time and health (minmise expoxy or glass exposure). Advice look for second had gear or approach local pros who may have extras in quiver tosrll cheap. The technology in fins is worth it.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23648 posts
WA, 23648 posts
20 Jun 2010 6:34pm
No point trying to mould them you need a complex 2 part mould (making the mould is an art in itself) and ideally a lot of pressure to make a very little bit of resin go a long way (it is predominantly fibres in there)

Best to lay up your own blanks with glass and / or carbon and epoxy, in between 2 bits of 1" steel plate and use a hydraulic press (like a mechanic's bearing press) to let it set under a tonne or so.

Or buy blanks and shape.

Be aware (as H20 says) it is doubtful you'll make a fin as good as your MFC. There is a LOT of R&D in them and you will not shape it as precisely by hand until you have made a LOT of fins.
I'll add to that and say is is a pain in the sphincter also as shaping them makes a heap of glass dust that is not good for your health, makes you itchy and generally annoys others in your household and the neighbours.
Bondalucci
Bondalucci
VIC
1580 posts
VIC, 1580 posts
20 Jun 2010 9:29pm
Get a good second hand one.

IMHO, the materials involved (G10 etc) as well as CAD factor (flex characteristics and so on) in a good fin would make it hard to get any where near as good making your own.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12873 posts
WA, 12873 posts
20 Jun 2010 7:30pm
I'm making mine out of timber and carbon/glass, means most of the shaping is done with timber, although there is still quite a bit of glass sanding to do.
The trouble is, I haven't made any bigger than 30cm, I'm not sure if this method is strong enough to withstand the leverage of longer fins.
for my smaller fins I've used cedar/carbon, light, stable and strong.
I've had a 19cm weedy in my speed board for about 3 years, had a big collision with something that did big damage to the leading edge and delaminated one side, but it still got me back to base, took a bit of work to fix it but it's still going now.
With a standard tuttle box, there's a lot of compressive load at the top and bottom of the base. With longer fins softwood just may squash here.
I've just finished a 34cm weedy, I've tried jarrah at the base and cedar at the tip.
It's in the board now, but so far it hasn't been in the water.
The box in this board is a standard chinook tuttle, but it is several mm deeper than standard, so I've used the full depth of the box, to reduce the levarge and compressive loads as much as possible.

And just to be on the safe side, I make them on the thickish side, about 9%/10% chord to thickness ratio.
If you want to do 50kt and are worried about cavitation, I think 7% is possibly asking too much.

I've thought of moulding, but I think it's really only worth the effort if your going to make several fins the same.
Granted you could make a blade mould for your biggest fin, then blank the bottom section to make smaller fins.
Then a separate mould for the base.
hoop
hoop
1979 posts
1979 posts
20 Jun 2010 7:38pm
I had a job making fins and moulds for about 3 years. I now never want to make another fin in my life, ever.
Fins are expensive because there is a lot of work and development in them. If you have good practical skills and really put your best effort in I doubt you would come up with a product close to a cheaply made production fin.
Sorry to be the doom guy but it really is a prick of a job.
slowboat
slowboat
WA
560 posts
WA, 560 posts
20 Jun 2010 9:21pm
I'll second what hoop says. I invested years and $$$ in R&D developing my fins to make them better for me.

G10 production fins are a bargain. Especially if you then take to them with a sanding block and clean them up. There are plenty of cheap 2nd hand rejects lurking in the dusty corners of shops and sheds just waiting for some TLC to transform them into weapons you can be proud of restoring... If you want cheap performance and have time, a good eye for shape and can drive a sanding block, this is your best option IMHO.

Start trawling
Fredstyles
Fredstyles
86 posts
86 posts
20 Jun 2010 11:26pm
I also dont recommend making your own fins if you like it cheap.

Maybe you like this little photostory of making moulds and fins:


wshp.de/finnenform/finnenform.html
wshp.de/surf_sb/surf_fi.htm
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
21 Jun 2010 9:34am
slowboat said...

I'll second what hoop says. I invested years and $$$ in R&D developing my fins to make them better for me.

G10 production fins are a bargain. Especially if you then take to them with a sanding block and clean them up. There are plenty of cheap 2nd hand rejects lurking in the dusty corners of shops and sheds just waiting for some TLC to transform them into weapons you can be proud of restoring... If you want cheap performance and have time, a good eye for shape and can drive a sanding block, this is your best option IMHO.

Start trawling



Here is an example of some Torquay 23cm wave fins that have been revitalised for a 92 twinnie - and so far they work a treat compared to the stock 17 cm fins.


actiomax
actiomax
NSW
1576 posts
NSW, 1576 posts
22 Jun 2010 12:28am
wow thats really an eye opener for me i thought that with all u guys makijng ur own boards that the fins would be a relatively simple job .so i have to start trolling for used fins .thanks for the input it helps saves me wasting time and making a mess.
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