Tencate tendon

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Chimmey
Chimmey
5 posts
5 posts
4 Feb 2012 8:01am
Hi all
I'm new to this site and was wondering if someone could help me.
I have just purchased an old tencate spacer for my daughter to learn on. It may need in the near future, a tendon for the mast base.
Does anyone know where spares for these old units can be got or otherwise does anyone know if there is a base that can replace the old one?
Any help or advise would be greatly aprecciated

Bill
dinsdale
dinsdale
WA
1227 posts
WA, 1227 posts
4 Feb 2012 1:07pm
I don't know where you'd get Tencate bits from - Google might be your friend even there.
However, I think perhaps you should have sought a little advice before buying an old Tencate for a learner. Best of luck.
jn1
jn1
SA
2753 posts
jn1 jn1
SA, 2753 posts
4 Feb 2012 4:51pm
I've tried googling this. No pictures or info and it's before my time as a windsurfer. Are you able to take some photos and post them up ?. We might be able to suggest a substitute part or a mod.
Chimmey
Chimmey
5 posts
5 posts
4 Feb 2012 3:20pm
Thanks for the information. It didn't cost a lot and we can always use it as a paddle board if I have no luck. Dinsdale can you suggest an alternative unit for a teenage starter? Here are a photo of another unit that has already been pulled apart after breaking.
Madge
Madge
NSW
471 posts
NSW, 471 posts
4 Feb 2012 6:54pm
I would try surf sales Australia.

They have some parts and can ship them.
Madge
Madge
NSW
471 posts
NSW, 471 posts
4 Feb 2012 9:27pm
Try ebay, theres actually a tencate mast foot on it now....
dinsdale
dinsdale
WA
1227 posts
Chris 249
Chris 249
NSW
3573 posts
NSW, 3573 posts
5 Feb 2012 10:24am
dinsdale said...

I don't know where you'd get Tencate bits from - Google might be your friend even there.
However, I think perhaps you should have sought a little advice before buying an old Tencate for a learner. Best of luck.


Whether a Spacer will be good for a beginner depends on where you sail.

If you sail in many places - maybe Westlakes in Adelaide or in Sydney - for example, longboards are often the best way to go. We often sail in light wind locations where even a Spacer would normally go faster on a typical weekend than a Formula board. We need good low-speed upwind capability because you have little room to pick up speed. We don't need the same sort of sideways stability because we don't have waves.

When we've used widestyle beginner boards etc for learners at our clubs they almost always end up on the leeward shore because beginners with small sails aren't a great combination with small centreboards. That doesn't happen with longboards, which are better at going upwind in light winds.

As an example of how inefficient shortboards can be around Sydney or similar places, we find that a less experienced kid with a 4.5m on a One Design is about 4m quicker around a course, than the kids who do the Techno nationals and use a Techno 7.8.

Last time I sailed in Melbourne, for the North Sails "1 hour", all the beginner widestyles (borrowed by fast sailors due to light winds) were 70% of the speed of a Windsurfer One Design because there was only about 6-8 knbts of wind. The Spacer is about as quick as a One Design in such conditions, so it can offer things a widestyle beginner's board can't.

Sure, for real beginners speed is not the only measure, but it's one way of showing the differences.

Of course, in other conditions the Techno, Formula, or widestyle boards can be much better. A wide board IS better in other ways - but not for everyone and everywhere.

Widestyle boards are fantastic to learn on in WA or windy open waters, but they have major problems in other places.
Chimmey
Chimmey
5 posts
5 posts
5 Feb 2012 9:41am
Thanks Chris
We took the TC Spacer board out to West Lakes yesterday and I think any lack of control it had was due to our inexperience. Having said that we had a lot of fun learning and my daughter wants to do it again. The tendon, although starting to tear didn't give out or get any worse. I think I will fit the smaller sail this time and use it till it either breaks or we feel the need to upgrade.
Thanks to you all for your advice. It has been extremely valuable and I have learnt a lot already.
evets
evets
WA
685 posts
WA, 685 posts
5 Feb 2012 11:09am
I would love to see a photo of the board. I think that may have ben the first board I ever bought new (about 1985)
Wineman
Wineman
NSW
1412 posts
NSW, 1412 posts
8 Feb 2012 8:54pm
evets said...

I would love to see a photo of the board. I think that may have ben the first board I ever bought new (about 1985)


This is my old TC Spacer mast track & uni-joint.

Must get it out & try it as a SUP



the uni-joint !!



From the brochure 1986


Sailing
pirrad
pirrad
SA
850 posts
SA, 850 posts
8 Feb 2012 9:05pm
this is an old one design board that i fitted a tyronsea deck plate to, also have done a board with mast track like in above picture, one long screw in centre of track (removed one that was there) and one on each side of track through alluminium.


shear tip
shear tip
NSW
1125 posts
NSW, 1125 posts
8 Feb 2012 9:40pm
Chimmey said...
...we had a lot of fun learning and my daughter wants to do it again....


What more could you ask for? Sounds like the TC's doing just fine.
Kimba
Kimba
SA
459 posts
SA, 459 posts
8 Feb 2012 9:20pm
You can fit a standard (modern day) uni by making a rectangular plate to fit inside the mast track and tapping a hole in the bottom to suit the stud on the uni deck plate. It is just like scaling up the regtangular nut that comes with the deck plate. I have the same uni as Wineman but the board is a TC Runner (KI Pro Am!) and this is how I would upgrade it.
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
8 Feb 2012 10:57pm
Chimmey said...
...we had a lot of fun learning and my daughter wants to do it again....

Excellent, you'z win !

If you 'condemn' the track part, then I'm sure you can screw in or find other tricks from a cheap non-TC U-joint you'll find at the back of your local windsurfing shop.

Don't forgot to rid of the footstraps too - not useful for your kind of sailing, they get in the way of learning.
Booms at armpit-height for your daughter, so she can enjoy the learning.

Congrats again! Westlakes is a fun place for teaching...

(Fugliest board ever though... )
hardpole
hardpole
WA
609 posts
WA, 609 posts
9 Feb 2012 2:38pm
First board I ever owned, managed to learn on that with a NP RAF 4.7 sail. Still may have the original unused 6m triangular sail that came with it but threw out the rest a long time ago.

Mine used to have a white plastic mastbase that was meant to slide in the track but sometimes would pop out instead. Got used to pushing it back in while out on the water.

Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
9 Feb 2012 3:00pm
You don't want to risk that tendon giving way whilst your daughter is out on the water, so make every effort to replace it. If young teens get a fright early in their sailing and have to swim a long way in they will never want to do it again.
Wineman
Wineman
NSW
1412 posts
NSW, 1412 posts
9 Feb 2012 7:44pm
Windxtasy said...

You don't want to risk that tendon giving way whilst your daughter is out on the water, so make every effort to replace it. If young teens get a fright early in their sailing and have to swim a long way in they will never want to do it again.


Agree. If we replace our tendon every season (or so ), then definitely replace as any method above that 26 year old attachment.
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