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Darkplague
Darkplague
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14 Apr 2012 8:20pm
Hi,

Am chasing a decent high wind blaster for the insanely windy days :)
Have a chance to purchase a board which would suit me, however it has one major flaw.

On the bottom of the board, it has been scraped all the way across width wise by the harness hook. It is a few mm deep, just indented, not cracked, but it is all the way across its width, near the mast track (on underside of board)

The board is std construction, 77 litres. Would something like this compromise the strength of the board a lot? ( eg- first big jump I do in high wind and the board will snap where the dent is)

I am 90kgs, and sail predominantly in cross onshore bump and jump, with only small to no waves. The area is always very choppy so I am chasing a board that is ultra comfy and controllable over chop. Speed isnt important at all. Wind range for this board will be 30-40 knots.

So Far I have in mind:

rrd fsw 85lt
goya one 77lt
starboard evo 80lt
Tabou pocket 85lt

Any other boards I might be missing which would suit my sailing conditions stated above?

Boards I have now: 2010 105 litre Tabou 3s ltd
2010 95 litre fanatic freewave
decrepit
decrepit
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14 Apr 2012 7:16pm
Are you sure it's a harness hook dent and not a crease?

If harness hook, the only damage is to the outside, if not cracked the tensile strength shouldn't be affected too badly, but the sandwich core has been compressed so is more liable to bend at that spot. The only scenario I can think of that will create that sort of force is landing a back loop attempt nose first.

If it's a crease, the internal sandwich fibres may be damaged as well, much more chance of catastrophe.

Can't comment on the production boards, but I recently fixed a delaminted 80 litre RRD slalom board, and what looked like a full carbon construction was only black resin and fibreglass.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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14 Apr 2012 8:18pm
I agree that if it is only a harness hook drag then it will not compromise it to any great degree. You won't snap it unless landing flat from some pretty substantial height.

Your list is pretty different though.
For B&J stick with the RRD FSW or Goya One, the others are too wavy, and particularly new school waves shapes which don't do blasting well at all

Darkplague
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14 Apr 2012 10:53pm
Yes its just a harness hook dent, so it should be ok then.

Oops meant kode, not evo.
You think even the pocket wouldnt suit? I have heard it can be great at high wind b+j in mushy crappy conditions, its not a full on wave shape, but I could be wrong, its just from what Ive been reading on the web.

So there really isnt much choice out there for what I want by the sounds of it.

There is also jp fsw but I am not interested in getting a jp at this stage< I heard the others mentioned have better control in any case.
Stuthepirate
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14 Apr 2012 11:00pm
You could consider the Naish Koncept.
I have the 110L and predominantly use it for freeride and a bit of B+J in 18 - 25 knts.
I've found it super comfy with great deck pads and ability to eat up chop.
If i had the cash i wouldn't hesitate to get a smaller one for the real heavy days, not that i'm out in that much, but i'll be looking at a 90ishL wave board next i think.
Just for the fact i want to wave sail more next season.
I definately recommend demoing it.
Windxtasy
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15 Apr 2012 12:11am
How does the bottom of the board get scraped all the way across by a harness hook?
I would be suspicious of something more sinister, especially if it is a straight line.
legless
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15 Apr 2012 7:37am


Mobydisc
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15 Apr 2012 9:09am
Those blokes also have a bridge that would be just right for you.



legless
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15 Apr 2012 10:09am
Mobydisc said...

Those blokes also have a bridge that would be just right for you.






I hear London Bridge is for sale maybe you are interested!
Waiting4wind
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15 Apr 2012 11:10am
legless said...





Nice looking board but I didn't spot the harness hook mark on it...

The genuine carbon in the Thommen logo must give it all sorts of performance advantages!

If you're looking for a board that handles 30-40 knots then sub 80L would be the go. I Have a FSW 78 and at 90kg it still feels very big in that wind range.

Just to add, I used have an early version of an Exocet Wave board (Light blue) it was an 84L and compact. It was very calm in big wind and bumps, it had more of a FSW tail /rocker and double density pads. They also made a smaller version. If you could find one they should be cheap. After all you wouldn't get 30-40 knots to often, so an old beater would be good for the job.
legless
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15 Apr 2012 10:43am
Waiting4wind said...

legless said...




Nice looking board but I didn't spot the harness hook mark on it...

The genuine carbon in the Thommen logo must give it all sorts of performance advantages!


The carbon goes right round the rails top to bottom the logo is just a stencil on the white paint. The carbon is also revealed in the writing on Thommen on the rails.
evets
evets
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15 Apr 2012 9:39am
there is no one more honest than a person selling an item!
legless
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15 Apr 2012 11:18am
evets said...

there is no one more honest than a person selling an item!


Everyone has a vested interest even if they are not selling the item. The only honest opinion is your own and even then that can be wrong!

Darkplague
Darkplague
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197 posts
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15 Apr 2012 3:56pm
Re the cross 87, im only looking to buy a cheap 2nd hand board, as its not used often. It would be pointless to get an 87litre board in any case, as I already have a 95 litre fanatic freewave.

There is a goya one 77 litre for sale here which I will most likely grab, just waiting on some clearer pics from the guy.

Cheers for all your help guys.
Gwendy
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15 Apr 2012 9:40pm
Darkplague said...

Yes its just a harness hook dent, so it should be ok then.

Oops meant kode, not evo.
You think even the pocket wouldnt suit? I have heard it can be great at high wind b+j in mushy crappy conditions, its not a full on wave shape, but I could be wrong, its just from what Ive been reading on the web.

So there really isnt much choice out there for what I want by the sounds of it.

There is also jp fsw but I am not interested in getting a jp at this stage< I heard the others mentioned have better control in any case.

Whats wrong with JP?
The JP waves from the early 2000's were nearly indestructable. They were a little flatter in the rocker than other wave boards getting around at the time so a little faster. No problem with control. I use a 79 ltr 2003 JP wave for the conditions you mentioned and works great. Swapping from B and J to wave riding is as simple as a fin change. I've had it nearly ten years and its suffered unspeakeable abuse. Its been smashed on reefs, Blown off roofracks down the road and run over by boats and its never had a hole in it. Its been on the water that much the foot straps and pads have faded due to sun but still bright yellow where my feet have been. Its still exactly the same shape as it was new and hasn't gone soft under the footstraps like my other boards have. I'd happily go out and buy a new board if I thought it would do a better job than this one.
Darkplague
Darkplague
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16 Apr 2012 1:17am
The thing I dislike about JP is that every man and his dog has one were I sail.
Not a bad thing, just means they are a very popular board with good rep.

Ive owned a few jps in the past and they were all good boards, but I have never owned a goya or rrd board, so wouldnt mind trying something different.
SailorBlue
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16 Apr 2012 7:00am
Well, take a look at the Exocet cross IV , I have the Pro edition and is very good!! Just to add to your wish list!! JP I had one and hate the ride!! It was a All Ride. Hope you choose wisely!!
jsnfok
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16 Apr 2012 11:00pm
You want a cheap but awesome board to use then get a small jp real world wave or radical wave, fast fun and super light plus they are pretty cheap if you can find one, I had a 83 liter once for the 35+ days and was absolutely fantastic, sold it due to not being enough super windy days, so now I have a 107 stone surf which does from 5.9-4.2 weather
Darkplague
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17 Apr 2012 12:58am
jsnfok said...

You want a cheap but awesome board to use then get a small jp real world wave or radical wave, fast fun and super light plus they are pretty cheap if you can find one, I had a 83 liter once for the 35+ days and was absolutely fantastic, sold it due to not being enough super windy days, so now I have a 107 stone surf which does from 5.9-4.2 weather


But what about if where you are sailing has no real waves to speak of?
Would you still suggest a waveboard over a small size fsw in 30-40 b+j no wave conditions?
jsnfok
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17 Apr 2012 7:40pm
Darkplague said...

jsnfok said...

You want a cheap but awesome board to use then get a small jp real world wave or radical wave, fast fun and super light plus they are pretty cheap if you can find one, I had a 83 liter once for the 35+ days and was absolutely fantastic, sold it due to not being enough super windy days, so now I have a 107 stone surf which does from 5.9-4.2 weather


But what about if where you are sailing has no real waves to speak of?
Would you still suggest a waveboard over a small size fsw in 30-40 b+j no wave conditions?



In that sort of wind a wave board has more rocker which just helps to slow it down when you want to, a fsw is usually faster and not as agile, say for tight back hand smacks on rolling swell, but in 30+ knots I found a freestyle board to be the best, but I'm big and heavy
Darkplague
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17 Apr 2012 10:02pm



but in 30+ knots I found a freestyle board to be the best, but I'm big and heavy


But dont freestyle boards have the least rocker so they will be worse on the ballistic days? Am I missing something here?


Mark _australia
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17 Apr 2012 11:33pm
jsnfok said...

Darkplague said...

jsnfok said...

You want a cheap but awesome board to use then get a small jp real world wave or radical wave, fast fun and super light plus they are pretty cheap if you can find one, I had a 83 liter once for the 35+ days and was absolutely fantastic, sold it due to not being enough super windy days, so now I have a 107 stone surf which does from 5.9-4.2 weather


But what about if where you are sailing has no real waves to speak of?
Would you still suggest a waveboard over a small size fsw in 30-40 b+j no wave conditions?



In that sort of wind a wave board has more rocker which just helps to slow it down when you want to, a fsw is usually faster and not as agile, say for tight back hand smacks on rolling swell, but in 30+ knots I found a freestyle board to be the best, but I'm big and heavy


A waveboard wants to turn.
Thus, in B&J conditions, it will "hunt" left and right all the time and not be anywhere near as comfy a ride as a FSW.

You are right that a FSW does not want to turn on a wave, but B&J is not B&T (turn)
For hi wind blasting with some jumps a true FSW is waaay waaay better than any waveboard. They track straight, jump insanely good due to width and are the easiest gybing boards out there as they maintain more speed than a waveboard, but are not as hard to gybe as a freeride or slalom.

I think the O.P is talking about control and the odd waist hi wave to jump off, so a FSW is the one.



Darkplague
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18 Apr 2012 1:19am
Mark, out of curiosity,

What board would you suggest would be the best in these conditions then?




Looks to me they are all using waveboards, yet looks like pure b+j conditions.
I would choose a fsw board myself for the video, but none of them are using one so I must be missing something???

I already have a 106 fsw and 95 fsw, so maybe a small waveboard would be agood to change it up a bit??? Im actually more undecided than ever :(
Mungo
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18 Apr 2012 8:03am
Mark _australia said...

jsnfok said...

Darkplague said...

jsnfok said...

You want a cheap but awesome board to use then get a small jp real world wave or radical wave, fast fun and super light plus they are pretty cheap if you can find one, I had a 83 liter once for the 35+ days and was absolutely fantastic, sold it due to not being enough super windy days, so now I have a 107 stone surf which does from 5.9-4.2 weather


But what about if where you are sailing has no real waves to speak of?
Would you still suggest a waveboard over a small size fsw in 30-40 b+j no wave conditions?



In that sort of wind a wave board has more rocker which just helps to slow it down when you want to, a fsw is usually faster and not as agile, say for tight back hand smacks on rolling swell, but in 30+ knots I found a freestyle board to be the best, but I'm big and heavy


A waveboard wants to turn.
Thus, in B&J conditions, it will "hunt" left and right all the time and not be anywhere near as comfy a ride as a FSW.

You are right that a FSW does not want to turn on a wave, but B&J is not B&T (turn)
For hi wind blasting with some jumps a true FSW is waaay waaay better than any waveboard. They track straight, jump insanely good due to width and are the easiest gybing boards out there as they maintain more speed than a waveboard, but are not as hard to gybe as a freeride or slalom.

I think the O.P is talking about control and the odd waist hi wave to jump off, so a FSW is the one.






What Mark said!

But to add one thing. FSWs will handle chop much better because they skim over the top much easier. True wave boards, with their higher rocker tend to remain planted in the water so you go up and down over every little lump. This really takes the speed out of the board and the energy out of you the sailor. A FSW would just fly over the top and not lose any speed.
Mark _australia
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18 Apr 2012 8:12am
Darkplague said...

Mark, out of curiosity,

What board would you suggest would be the best in these conditions then?



Looks to me they are all using waveboards, yet looks like pure b+j conditions.
I would choose a fsw board myself for the video, but none of them are using one so I must be missing something???

I already have a 106 fsw and 95 fsw, so maybe a small waveboard would be agood to change it up a bit??? Im actually more undecided than ever :(


Most gorge sailors using customs have what is essentially a fast waveboard that handles chop well - a FSW shape. Even thought they look like waveboards most aren't really
sboardcrazy
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18 Apr 2012 4:45pm
I'm not very experienced & am a lightweight but I have a Tabou Pocket wave 78 ltres..2005..? I've had it out in 30kts + in B & J conditions. I'm not used to it yet but I was surprised at how fast it was - seemed much faster than my Rocket freerides. Gybes great ( too b fast ! I've got to try & stay with it) and easy to handle on the straights.I haven't jumped it much but seems good there too. I haven't had any hassles with directional stability although I run a freeride fin on it so I can get upwind better for lake sailing.
seanhogan
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18 Apr 2012 5:00pm
fsw is the way to go, especially in RRD....
doggie
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18 Apr 2012 4:50pm
Darkplague said...

Mark, out of curiosity,

What board would you suggest would be the best in these conditions then?




Looks to me they are all using waveboards, yet looks like pure b+j conditions.
I would choose a fsw board myself for the video, but none of them are using one so I must be missing something???

I already have a 106 fsw and 95 fsw, so maybe a small waveboard would be agood to change it up a bit??? Im actually more undecided than ever :(

What the hell is the thing at 1.22?!?
R1DER
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18 Apr 2012 5:32pm
looked like a huge albino fish
ratz
ratz
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18 Apr 2012 8:41pm
i have a old f 2 axxis 262 85 ltr that i have kept for the ballistic days.
has done 36 knots with a wave fin and gybes very nicely .
pepe47
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21 Apr 2012 2:44pm
doggie said...

Darkplague said...

Mark, out of curiosity,

What board would you suggest would be the best in these conditions then?




Looks to me they are all using waveboards, yet looks like pure b+j conditions.
I would choose a fsw board myself for the video, but none of them are using one so I must be missing something???

I already have a 106 fsw and 95 fsw, so maybe a small waveboard would be agood to change it up a bit??? Im actually more undecided than ever :(

What the hell is the thing at 1.22?!?



Can't be sure, but it looks like a dead sturgeon. (large one)
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