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laurie

3889 posts

laurie

SA, 3889 posts

8 Aug 2011 2:37pm

Windxtasy

4019 posts

Windxtasy

WA, 4019 posts

8 Aug 2011 1:21pm

What happens to the crew member who abandons the yacht just before collision?

WaynoB

NSW

393 posts

WaynoB

NSW, 393 posts

8 Aug 2011 3:22pm

Looks like somebody forgot the old "Might has right" rule.

Interesting to hear commentary on a yacht race. Imagine if it happened every time we went out for a sail.

"And here comes (insert name here) leading on the last leg to the finish after demolishing all opponents with beautiful sailing technique and ultimate racing skills". Ah to dream.....

Won't mention the old joke "What's brown and comes from Cowes? The ferry."

pweedas

4642 posts

pweedas

WA, 4642 posts

8 Aug 2011 1:30pm

Well really! That's just toooo much! Tut tut tut!

Hasn't he read the rule book? Power gives way to sail, starboard tack has right of way, etc etc.
Whoever would have thought he could be so rude?
And his little orange boat looked so manoeuvrable too. He could have spun it around in a second and missed him completely.

[/sarcasm]

Sometimes it doesn't pay to push your right of way.

pweedas

4642 posts

pweedas

WA, 4642 posts

8 Aug 2011 1:36pm

Windxtasy said...

What happens to the crew member who abandons the yacht just before collision?

Oooohh yes I didn't notice that. What sharp little eyes you have.
What a piker. Abandoning ship just when all the fun starts!
It looks like none of the others even got their hair wet.
Maybe he just needed to jump in and wash his undies because of a very recent "accident" in his pants when he saw what was about to happen.

pierrec45

NSW

2005 posts

pierrec45

NSW, 2005 posts

8 Aug 2011 3:46pm

He seems to be screwing around with the spinnaker just before the collision.
Great timing to make sail adjustments...

terminal

1421 posts

terminal

1421 posts

8 Aug 2011 4:00pm

The guy who abandoned ship must have managed to avoid the propellor.

One of the crew was taken to hospital with a gash to the head but discharged after treatment.

choco

4181 posts

choco

SA, 4181 posts

8 Aug 2011 5:50pm

if it wasn't for the anchor the boat might have come out of it ok, plus that ship was speeding

dinsdale

1227 posts

dinsdale

WA, 1227 posts

8 Aug 2011 10:45pm

pweedas said...
Hasn't he read the rule book? Power gives way to sail, starboard tack has right of way, etc etc.

Sometimes it doesn't pay to push your right of way.

Perhaps a few others should read the rule book.
1. It has absolutely nothing to with the port/starboard rule.
2. Commercial shipping (including (Manly) ferries) have right of way over pleasure craft.
The ship's master was entirely in he right. The yachtie has no-one to blame but himself.

Windxtasy

4019 posts

Windxtasy

WA, 4019 posts

8 Aug 2011 10:54pm

I would call it "failure to take evasive action" (on the part of the yacht) The tanker probably has a turning circle and stopping distance of 5 km.

They probably underestimated the speed of the tanker and thought they could make it across the bow, and almost did. Darned anchor!

remo81

QLD

678 posts

remo81

QLD, 678 posts

9 Aug 2011 11:21am

The ship has right of way in this situation, because;
1. Looking at where it is, the ship would be under pilotage.
2. It has restricted manoeuvrability. ie. it can't move out of the channel. If it does it will run aground and spill its oil.

I use to work on a cement tanker that use to visit Sydney harbour frequently. On the weekends it was really funny to watch the yachtys lelling at the ship, and the Pilot yelling back at them to read the rule book.

jfunk

QLD

255 posts

jfunk

QLD, 255 posts

9 Aug 2011 8:11pm

The yacht did not have right of way.
International Collision regulations apply in this situation and with all interactions with vessels of limited manouverability. Learn them!
In addition, the sailing instructions for this club have a 1km exclusion zone in front of these vessels.
This guy will pay a serious fine and if the two people who went overboard werent recovered but killed, the skipper would be going to prison for a long time.

FlickySpinny

657 posts

FlickySpinny

WA, 657 posts

10 Aug 2011 1:09am

2. Commercial shipping (including (Manly) ferries) have right of way over pleasure craft.

Actually that's not correct. It is irrelevant if the vessel is commercial or not. The comments about "restricted in ability to maneuver" are correct.

Sydney might have it's own rules, but the Col Regs don't make a distinction between commercial and non-commercial vessels.

gregc

VIC

1299 posts

gregc

VIC, 1299 posts

10 Aug 2011 9:15am

Yea power gives way to sail but those things take a long time to react to anything so I suggest common sense should always be in play. Pity some skippers are sadly lacking in that seamanship requirement.

GalahOnTheBay

NSW

4188 posts

GalahOnTheBay

NSW, 4188 posts

10 Aug 2011 1:16pm

From www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html

Giving way

The master must continuously assess the risk of collision with other vessels and power vessels must give way to:

* Sailing vessels.
* Vessels approaching head on (by altering course to starboard).
* Vessels approaching from the right (starboard) hand side (ie, crossing).
* Vessels displaying the special lights and signals shown in this chapter.
* Large vessels restricted in their manoeuvrability.
* Any vessel being overtaken.
* Vessels engaged in fishing activities and showing appropriate signals.

A vessel drifting is deemed to be underway and has no special right of way. It is required to comply with the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea.

Do not create a dangerous situation by forcing your right of way. Always keep a safe distance off other vessels so the vessel can be stopped or manoeuvred to avoid any sudden danger.

The faster the speed, the greater the safe distance must be.

When altering course make your intentions clear to others as early as possible.

NOTE : In a collision, all masters involved can be held responsible even if the give-way vessel does not give way, because all masters are required to exercise caution and take avoiding action if the other vessel does not.

I can't see any mention of commercial / commuter craft. The only "special" lights seem to be for Dredges, Vehicular ferries, Commercial fishing vessels.

Still if anyone plans to push their luck with the Manly ferry I have a gopro they can borrow...

JayBee

NSW

714 posts

JayBee

NSW, 714 posts

10 Aug 2011 1:28pm

From www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html

"Priority Over sail
Some commercial ferries on Sydney Harbour display an orange diamond shape which grants priority (right of way) over sailing vessels. This is an exception to the 'power gives way to sail' rule.

Do not attempt to cross the path of an approaching ferry displaying this signal."

All Commercial ferries on Sydney harbour fly this shape, granting them right of way.

beermate

25 posts

beermate

WA, 25 posts

10 Aug 2011 1:31pm

What a goose, that must be a serious lack of experience or ability.
Anyone that has sailed around ships has the understanding they can't turn sharp or stop suddenly so you keep clear.
How does luffing up help his situation? it only slowed the boat and kept them in the way. A simple gybe 30 seconds before and no issue, heading up with the kite up wtf. Who dose that has sailed and knows how to sail?????
Almost a Darwin award right there

longwinded

347 posts

longwinded

WA, 347 posts

10 Aug 2011 2:11pm

Sorry but you are all wrong!
If you look at the foremast of the tanker, she is carrying a cylinder shape as a day signal.
This indicates that the vessel is constrained by her draft. Rule 18(d)(i) of the ColRegs apply and the sailing vessel is the give way vessel.

GalahOnTheBay

NSW

4188 posts

GalahOnTheBay

NSW, 4188 posts

10 Aug 2011 4:34pm

JayBee said...

From www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html

"Priority Over sail
Some commercial ferries on Sydney Harbour display an orange diamond shape which grants priority (right of way) over sailing vessels. This is an exception to the 'power gives way to sail' rule.

Do not attempt to cross the path of an approaching ferry displaying this signal."

All Commercial ferries on Sydney harbour fly this shape, granting them right of way.

Nice find - missed that one.

Also on that page:

NOTE: The use of a PWC is prohibited in Sydney Harbour (including all tributaries such as Parramatta River)

remo81

QLD

678 posts

remo81

QLD, 678 posts

10 Aug 2011 7:43pm

longwinded said...

Sorry but you are all wrong!
If you look at the foremast of the tanker, she is carrying a cylinder shape as a day signal.
This indicates that the vessel is constrained by her draft. Rule 18(d)(i) of the ColRegs apply and the sailing vessel is the give way vessel.

This guy seems to be up on COLREGS.
Rule 1.
Do not run the Engine Room aground.
Rule 2.
Do not run the Engine Room into another Engine Room.

This may not be the actual rules, but ask any Engineer and they will tell you that this is all you need to know to be a Deck Officer.

RAL INN

2897 posts

RAL INN

SA, 2897 posts

11 Aug 2011 9:51am

The Video starts with the final 3 of the five shot blast of the tankers horn.
which means WTF are you doing.

The Yacht skipper was displaying his upper class twit genes.

longwinded

347 posts

longwinded

WA, 347 posts

11 Aug 2011 1:46pm

remo81 said...

Ask a deck officer and he will tell you that the definition of an Engineer is the unfortunate period between sail and automation.

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