Speeding though the high chop

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Macroscien
Macroscien
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20 Dec 2013 10:44am
What will be the most efficient ( fastest) way to go over high chop or even rumps ?

a) bend knees at the top of the chop to amortize vertical movement . this way the board ( and fin) remains with contact to the water for maximum time

b) straighten knees and allow board to bounce and fly from one bump to another . Quite hard on knees and possibly for the board too.

So what will be the best way to prepare for crossing bigger bumps at speed? Amortize or fly over?
If that helps I am talking about slalom gear and speeds > 25 ktn

To visualize situation we could imagine that we have to pass the wave left behind big motor boat without loosing too much speed.
Go hard or soft ? Stiffen position and fly over or amortize the impact bending legs then straighten soon after?
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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20 Dec 2013 11:59am
Windsurfers I've seen sailing fast in chop are on slalom gear. They almost ride on the fin and their boards float over the top of the chop. Its quite disheartening to be battling along in chop to hear and then see someone blast past you with a bigger sail and in more control.

hardie
hardie
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20 Dec 2013 9:45am
Why do rally cars have shock absorbers? Board trim is critical, best board trim is along with all ya rig and harness settings is keeping the board in a good position with your feet, ankles knees muscles as shock absorbers. Imagine a rally car with no shock absorption, it would be faster, and get out of control.
Macroscien
Macroscien
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20 Dec 2013 12:17pm
I am re-phraze myself and ask how should we prepare to cross the rump behind big motor boat.
Imagine that you race against your friend at reasonable speed around 30 ktn .
You both are almost even but there is boat crossing your path. Whole race will decide how will you cross that wave behind. I am only guessing that average high is at least 1 to 1.5 m.

What is the best technique to pass it without loosing speed ?

a) unhook the harness, de-power at the moment attacking wave , amortize to the max the wave, and continue ASAP as passed that wave without any jump if possible with board sitting on the water and fin in contact most of the time

b) keep your optimal position for speed when approaching that wave and then prepare fly at this flat trajectory in hope that you will not catch the rail, loose that dynamic balance ( receipt for success could be minimizing the speed loss to avoid catapult)
? ?


Man0verBoard
Man0verBoard
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20 Dec 2013 10:46am
The answer is b).

As Hardie said, keep everything trimmed and go like hell. Avoid any peaking waves..unless you are being filmed..then definately hit the peak and post the results!

ps. I am a bit lazy so I tent to chop-hop across the tops of the wake and try to make contact with the tail and fin whilst keeping it all together..same as negotiating and sharp chop at speed..
ikw777
ikw777
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20 Dec 2013 1:03pm
I have been known to handle a few rumps...
John340
John340
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20 Dec 2013 1:25pm
Macro, I keep my knees bent and use them like shock absorbers. This helps me keep the board level and fast skipping over the top of the chop.
Haggar
Haggar
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20 Dec 2013 2:47pm
Rare rumps for me
Haggar
Haggar
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20 Dec 2013 2:48pm
..... but as said tuning is everything
terminal
terminal
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20 Dec 2013 4:40pm
Haggar said..

..... but as said tuning is everything


Some sail tuning for speed.

stanly
stanly
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20 Dec 2013 7:01pm
Here's how Robby Does it

stanly
stanly
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20 Dec 2013 7:10pm
terminal said..


Haggar said..

..... but as said tuning is everything



Some sail tuning for speed.



Great advice, Thanks
ikw777
ikw777
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20 Dec 2013 7:16pm
You're over-thinking it. Just get out in rough water and sail as fast as you can through it. Pile on the power and never, ever back off. After a year of that you wont have a problem anymore.

That's the advice I got and that's how I learned.
flatout
flatout
85 posts
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20 Dec 2013 5:21pm
I was told by a PWA-sailor that it's a bit like the Top-gear video where Hammond drives a F1. He was not going fast enough, so the brakes where not hot enough. If he want a little bit faster, the brakes would still not work and he would crash. If he went a hell of a lot faster the brakes would work and he wouldn't crash.
He wasn't going as fast as the other PWA's who told him to be aggressive instead of defensive and go even faster and just trust that the gear would work, like he said: Are you ****ing kidding me, i am going to kill myself!
Macroscien
Macroscien
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20 Dec 2013 7:26pm
stanly said..

Here's how Robby Does it



Good video
What is board size you think both sailors used at this example?
I am guessing 92 l and 60 cm wide will be adequate. They have excellent control over board at this speed 30 - 35 ktn.

My board starts woobble too much too the sides above 30 ktn and I need to downsize from slalom 118 L /68 cm to get any better performance.
MartinF2
MartinF2
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20 Dec 2013 9:16pm
stanly said..

Here's how Robby Does it



Nice video but shame it's sped up to make it look better. I don't think he needs footage sped up to make him look fast. He just is.
Cheers
Marty
Stuthepirate
Stuthepirate
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20 Dec 2013 10:10pm


Slowy has good technique
Macroscien
Macroscien
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20 Dec 2013 10:24pm
This is exactly example what I am talking about.
3:25 approching the wave, sailor bent knees , depowered a bit , straighten up position and then catch the rail.
Strategy of going full speed seems to be right.



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