Sail steering when planning

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Nubie
Nubie
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70 posts
15 Apr 2020 4:11pm
If I unhook when planning in footstraps and move sail forward while keep my body weght at same longitudinal position, will board bear off?
Did someone try do this?

Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4937 posts
QLD, 4937 posts
15 Apr 2020 6:32pm
Yes
Nubie
Nubie
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70 posts
15 Apr 2020 4:45pm
Imax1 said..
Yes


did you try it?
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4937 posts
QLD, 4937 posts
15 Apr 2020 8:22pm
Nubie said..


Imax1 said..
Yes




did you try it?



I use this technique when I'm totally overpowered and knackered going deep downwind getting back to shore in shallow water waiting for the fin to hit the sand . I've done this a few times lately.
forceten
forceten
1312 posts
1312 posts
15 Apr 2020 7:51pm
You need to hook up with
a USA 46
b. A 6 yo for art class
Nubie
Nubie
70 posts
70 posts
15 Apr 2020 8:28pm
Imax1 said..

Nubie said..



Imax1 said..
Yes





did you try it?




I use this technique when I'm totally overpowered and knackered going deep downwind getting back to shore in shallow water waiting for the fin to hit the sand . I've done this a few times lately.

I sail like this all the time!
Every bigger gust that coming I unhook,scare of catapult! :)
Sea Lotus
Sea Lotus
320 posts
320 posts
15 Apr 2020 10:12pm
Your problem is, you have very long legs, i would olso be afraid to hook in if i had to wear my harness on my neck.
Sparky
Sparky
WA
1122 posts
WA, 1122 posts
15 Apr 2020 10:24pm
But what were you planning?
hoop
hoop
1979 posts
1979 posts
15 Apr 2020 10:36pm
Unfortunately this move is very difficult for people that don't have torso's .
Sea Lotus
Sea Lotus
320 posts
320 posts
15 Apr 2020 10:48pm
But seriously, you can try pulling the mast back towards your body by pulling with front arm to depower while being hooked in, thats if you are afraid to stand tall (go over the board a little) to let the gust by.
Sparky
Sparky
WA
1122 posts
WA, 1122 posts
15 Apr 2020 11:10pm
Not dissimilar to elements of a lay down jibe? Which tends to turn a board around?
JonnyWindsurf
JonnyWindsurf
WA
49 posts
WA, 49 posts
15 Apr 2020 11:51pm
Isn't this how you initiate a catapult?
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
16 Apr 2020 1:08am
Some sailors learn the forward loop before they can jibe.
Manuel7
Manuel7
1349 posts
1349 posts
16 Apr 2020 4:07am
Yes, and you need to open your sail, you may slow down.
gorgesailor
gorgesailor
640 posts
640 posts
16 Apr 2020 4:08am
Nubie/fpw9082, Why did you change your user name?
Basher
Basher
590 posts
590 posts
16 Apr 2020 7:29am
Nubie said..
If I unhook when planning in footstraps and move sail forward while keep my body weght at same longitudinal position, will board bear off?
Did someone try do this?



It will bear away - but why would you do that?
If you over do it the nose of the board will go down and the rig will overload, so you will probably catapult around the front.

If you want to steer in a straight line when planing we do this with very subtle rig movements and also by foot steering the board.
If you unhook and put the rig forward whilst leaning forwards onto the inner rail then you start a carve gybe.


Note that planing is spelt with one 'n' as it's short for 'aquaplaning'.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12873 posts
WA, 12873 posts
16 Apr 2020 8:20am
Well this is the way you do a "flarve" gybe, flair the sail and carve the board, gets you round real quick. I only do it when lightly powered and want a very tight gybe. When well powered you want to depower the sail not put it into the wind.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
16 Apr 2020 3:06pm
hoop said..
Unfortunately this move is very difficult for people that don't have torso's .


Nubie
Nubie
70 posts
70 posts
16 Apr 2020 11:20pm
Basher said..



Nubie said..
If I unhook when planning in footstraps and move sail forward while keep my body weght at same longitudinal position, will board bear off?
Did someone try do this?






It will bear away - but why would you do that?
If you over do it the nose of the board will go down and the rig will overload, so you will probably catapult around the front.

If you want to steer in a straight line when planing we do this with very subtle rig movements and also by foot steering the board.
If you unhook and put the rig forward whilst leaning forwards onto the inner rail then you start a carve gybe.


Note that planing is spelt with one 'n' as it's short for 'aquaplaning'.



nice explanation..


this is my stance at 1:40 :)
as usual terminator win again!
Ben1973
Ben1973
1008 posts
1008 posts
17 Apr 2020 9:07am
So much better than sailing down a flat purpose built canal.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
17 Apr 2020 12:24pm
Nubie said..


Basher said..





Nubie said..
If I unhook when planning in footstraps and move sail forward while keep my body weght at same longitudinal position, will board bear off?
Did someone try do this?








It will bear away - but why would you do that?
If you over do it the nose of the board will go down and the rig will overload, so you will probably catapult around the front.

If you want to steer in a straight line when planing we do this with very subtle rig movements and also by foot steering the board.
If you unhook and put the rig forward whilst leaning forwards onto the inner rail then you start a carve gybe.


Note that planing is spelt with one 'n' as it's short for 'aquaplaning'.





nice explanation..


this is my stance at 1:40 :)
as usual terminator win again!


Radical conditions.
Now I know why I haven't broken 40kts..
I'm not prepared to take the carnage..
mathew
mathew
QLD
2167 posts
QLD, 2167 posts
17 Apr 2020 1:16pm
LeeD said..
Some sailors learn the forward loop before they can jibe.


This is complete BS. The skill / expertise for looping, is higher than for gybing. And the conditions needed for looping, require significantly more skill then is for gybing.

Why is it that you make statements that are false, more then 95% of the time ?
Ben1973
Ben1973
1008 posts
1008 posts
18 Apr 2020 8:06am
sboardcrazy said..

Nubie said..



Basher said..






Nubie said..
If I unhook when planning in footstraps and move sail forward while keep my body weght at same longitudinal position, will board bear off?
Did someone try do this?









It will bear away - but why would you do that?
If you over do it the nose of the board will go down and the rig will overload, so you will probably catapult around the front.

If you want to steer in a straight line when planing we do this with very subtle rig movements and also by foot steering the board.
If you unhook and put the rig forward whilst leaning forwards onto the inner rail then you start a carve gybe.


Note that planing is spelt with one 'n' as it's short for 'aquaplaning'.






nice explanation..


this is my stance at 1:40 :)
as usual terminator win again!



Radical conditions.
Now I know why I haven't broken 40kts..
I'm not prepared to take the carnage..


Sailing on my own in open ocean 99% of the time keeps me away from 40knots. Not to mention the bill for broken kit and skill.
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
18 Apr 2020 10:03am
Mathew, I know a sailor who has sailed Backyards and the channel outside of Diamond head who has never tried to uphaul ever.
And one of them regularly windsurfe from Kahala to view Molokai 20 miles away, and he cannot jibe at all, but jumpjibes fine.
- You just haven't seen that many sailors in your life.
Another guy I know did a quad flip duckie before he ever made a regular jibe. He started ducking only within 3 days of his 1st time ever on a windsurf board. Needless to say, he progressed to double ducks, then triples by his second year.
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
18 Apr 2020 10:07am
Plenty of young guns loop before age 13, some never up hauling ever.
I cannot state a specific case, but it certainly isn't hard to imagine.
Everyone who loops say it's much easier than jibing....but takes more courage.
Jibing takes longer than one year. Most guys who learn to loop make several within days.
Ian K
Ian K
WA
4169 posts
WA, 4169 posts
18 Apr 2020 10:25am
Yes but flat water levels the playing field somewhat. Gybes are easy, looping is harder. ( Not that I've ever intentionally looped a sailboard. As a young gun I looped on a trampoline, got it all out of my system by the time I became an ageing windsurfer.)

www.windsurf.co.uk/peter-hart-operation-rotation/
mathew
mathew
QLD
2167 posts
QLD, 2167 posts
18 Apr 2020 1:04pm
LeeD said..
Another guy I know did a quad flip duckie before he ever made a regular jibe. He started ducking only within 3 days of his 1st time ever on a windsurf board. Needless to say, he progressed to double ducks, then triples by his second year.



No one has ever done a "quad flip duckie" ... there are about 3 or so people whom have ever even attempted a triple rotation.... Koster, Campello, Guiloul, etc.
LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
18 Apr 2020 11:24am
Joey Valera made his 1st triple at Half Moon Bay on his first windsurf board, within 9 months of his very first day. 9'6" Seatrend poly, maybe 90 liters....very thin tail.
Rewarded himself with the new then Sunset.
His quad was at Lake Lopez maybe 6 months later.
He could only duckjibe at Jalama.
mr love
mr love
VIC
2421 posts
VIC, 2421 posts
18 Apr 2020 1:42pm
LeeD...What drugs are you taking....I want some!!

LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
18 Apr 2020 11:53am
Just because YOU didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
tbwonder
tbwonder
NSW
748 posts
NSW, 748 posts
18 Apr 2020 2:42pm
LeeD said..
Just because YOU didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.



Just because YOU say it, doesn't mean it did happen.
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