Oakajee: Murchison beats Midwest in WA port tender

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stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
29 Jul 2008 10:00pm
Today in the SMH: www.smh.com.au/business/murchison-beats-midwest-in-wa-port-tender-20080729-3mr6.html

In the article they mention that the big 4 banks will be funding this project... hm, I wonder how Westpac can on one hand beat their own drum about having signed the "Equator Principles" (see: http://www.westpac.com.au/internet/publish.nsf/Content/WICP+Our+Advertising ) , yet they will fund a project which will have a huge impact on the local environment on a massive scale.

This is like the Tassy pulp mill project all over again... so were are the tree huggin' hippies?

Perhaps it's time to put together a petition and boycott Westpac... or better send a little note to ACA or Today Tonight... don't they love to drag the banks through the dirt?


westhammer
westhammer
WA
507 posts
WA, 507 posts
29 Jul 2008 10:12pm
will ya come over when its gonna rumble. likewise
Crasher
Crasher
WA
72 posts
WA, 72 posts
29 Jul 2008 10:31pm
show me were to sign. I heard it all started with interest from rich court and his brother in allliance companies with his bro.rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Wankers they just want to make a few coupons. Plenty of room to go south of corros consideridion they r going the wrong way about it. If they want a deep water port. I Think the whole aus comminity needs to really start making enviro stats real quikly. personal I do not know enough about it but am a avid sailor of the spot an corros. MY guess is there is gonna be more cover ups to come by our blessed goverment.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
30 Jul 2008 10:39am
The article often describes the port as a greenfield port. What does that mean?

Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
30 Jul 2008 8:56am
There is no other "development" there. Just a nice beach...
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
30 Jul 2008 9:21am
Mobydisc said...

The article often describes the port as a greenfield port. What does that mean?


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenfield_project

Means they don't have to knock down existing structures and work around prior constraints.

Except of course all that basalt in the harbour.

Looks like a magic Spot might be no longer

laff77
laff77
NSW
273 posts
NSW, 273 posts
30 Jul 2008 11:30am
Mobydisc said...

The article often describes the port as a greenfield port. What does that mean?




A greenfield port development is a brand new port, developed from scratch.
Gonewindsurfing247
Gonewindsurfing247
WA
966 posts
WA, 966 posts
30 Jul 2008 10:32am
Mobydisc said...

The article often describes the port as a greenfield port. What does that mean?




Greenfield port means #ucking up everything natural in site!!!!
Gonewindsurfing247
Gonewindsurfing247
WA
966 posts
WA, 966 posts
30 Jul 2008 10:34am
Did the windsurfers get anything out of the deal? From what I remember, there was suppose to be an artificial reef built or something like that.
Rex
Rex
WA
949 posts
Rex Rex
WA, 949 posts
30 Jul 2008 12:11pm
Gonewindsurfing247 said...

Did the windsurfers get anything out of the deal? From what I remember, there was suppose to be an artificial reef built or something like that.



Nah that was just a demand, maybe it will be an angle to work on now that its going ahead..
WindWarrior
WindWarrior
NSW
1019 posts
NSW, 1019 posts
30 Jul 2008 3:08pm
We will all need to keep our eyes peeled for when the dozers first move in.
That's when we as a collective group need to make people aware of what is about to be lost... and hopefully get something in return (artificial reef)

It's not about chaining ourselves to machinery (though anyone who wants to do that is welcome) and abusing the workers as opposed to 'using' the media to get our voice heard.
There will be massive amounts of media coverage given the resource boom and 'other' unwanted attention the WA Government has been receiving.
The aim is to take advantage of what is taking place WITHOUT offending Joe Public.

ON a side issue it may well be worth looking into who actually owns the land at Oakagee... I'm pretty sure it's owned by Kingstream... which is owned by Richard Court's brother... and was SOLD to Kingstream as government/public land by a particular WA Premier

If the Port was to be built a further 10 - 15km north... would any of us care ?
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
30 Jul 2008 11:20pm
stehsegler said...

Today in the SMH: www.smh.com.au/business/murchison-beats-midwest-in-wa-port-tender-20080729-3mr6.html

In the article they mention that the big 4 banks will be funding this project... hm, I wonder how Westpac can on one hand beat their own drum about having signed the "Equator Principles" (see: www.westpac.com.au/internet/publish.nsf/Content/WICP+Our+Advertising ) , yet they will fund a project which will have a huge impact on the local environment on a massive scale.

This is like the Tassy pulp mill project all over again... so were are the tree huggin' hippies?

Perhaps it's time to put together a petition and boycott Westpac... or better send a little note to ACA or Today Tonight... don't they love to drag the banks through the dirt?





Firstly, thanks for the recognisition for the role the "tree hugging hippies" (and the rest of us rationally ecologically minded people) have had in raising awareness of the pulp mill issue here in Tassie - personally I had no idea the issue had any coverage outside Tassie, but that has obviously happened. Before I get stereotyped as a tree hugger, or greenie, I'd like to point out that I make my living by finding mines for companies, but have grown up bushwalking, kayaking, climbing etc around Tassie and the big island, and would descibe myself as a naturer lover, in all its aspects. I can justify my job by ensuring any measures we take to achieve our goals are totallly in accordance with acknowledged environmental practices, and I'd never work on a project that I had issues with. Also worth mentioning here is the fact that the pulp mill proposal was meant to be assesed through an independant body, but the proponant, Gunns, chose to withdraw from that process, and the state Labor government fast-tracked legislation to allow the construction to begin, by-passing all the environmental issues we are all so concerned about.
But enough about that. Of more concern is the proposal to build a Gold Coast style canal development, on top of our best windsurfing area. I've posted this ages ago, but here is the affected area - our prevailing winds are from the west (left in photo), launching area is the boat ramp at the bottom of the photo where the sand bar meets deeper water, and you can sail over the sand and be in thigh to ankle deep water or sail in the deeper water. Perfect location for everyone.

But how perfect for a housing development? The fact that it's probably the windiest spot around Hobart doesn't make it sound like a good spot for a canal suburb, or the fact that when the tide is full and there's a westerly gale (common winter/spring scenario) then the road through Lauderdale (at the end of the bay) is commonly under water, why the @#$% would anyone want to live there - just minutes away there's farmers who'd give their right arm to sell some drought affected land so someone could build houses to those who needed them, and hey, they'd be cheaper, and you wouldn't have to hire a chopper to empty a huge bucket of fish oil over your house every year to stop it from rusting away into the sea.
If this development goes ahead, expect to see lots of windsurfers on the news sailing as close as we can to the dozers - it's the Tassie / Greenie / Sensible / I've got half a brain I think I know what's right and wrong way.


stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
30 Jul 2008 11:41pm
why does a bottle of Cape Mentelle cost $35 in a bottle shop here in OZ when you can buy the exact same bottle at Berlins' most expensive shopping centre for $10 less?

Simple my friend... corporate greed!

Sadly we seem to live in an age were money rules everything... even if it means raping the land, selling your first born and generally screwing over anyone you can.

Personally I don't subscribe to this philosophy and by the sound neither do you. As a matter of fact none of the people I consider my friends don't live by this either... sadly though I know plenty of people that do and I guess that's the short answer.

... getting of my soap box once again.

PS: I am a tree huggin' hippie at heart myself. And I still keep telling myself that my hard earned tax money goes to supporting the ABC and Triple J rather than our questionable state governments.
Rex
Rex
WA
949 posts
Rex Rex
WA, 949 posts
31 Jul 2008 9:44am
WindWarrior said...



If the Port was to be built a further 10 - 15km north... would any of us care ?


Probably not, but those that surf Oakabella would be devastated.


windjunky
windjunky
VIC
401 posts
VIC, 401 posts
31 Jul 2008 4:46pm
Rex said...

Gonewindsurfing247 said...

Did the windsurfers get anything out of the deal? From what I remember, there was suppose to be an artificial reef built or something like that.



Nah that was just a demand, maybe it will be an angle to work on now that its going ahead..



I was at a meeting in Canberra a few weeks back with a whole bunch of natural resource management types, and at the dinner sat next to a lady from the WA Gummint's coastal planning unit. I mentioned Oakajee, and got an instant reponse. (She wasnt a windsurfer, but knew all about the windsurfing aspect, so i figured i was getting the real deal.)
She said a) the port will happen no matter what, and that b) there would indeed be some form of artificial reef built. But then again, she also thought the windsurfing impact would be minimal...
Rex
Rex
WA
949 posts
Rex Rex
WA, 949 posts
31 Jul 2008 4:51pm
It will be interesting to finally see a detailed plan of the proposed port, I approached OPR about being able to see the proposed plan but was told it was commercially sensitive and would be released eventually. In any case it will be mamoth for this region as its starting from scratch and infrastructure requirements are huge. I believe the original environmental impact study is out dated by current standards and thinking, so it will be interesting to see whether they start on that again or race it through to get the show going.
dism
dism
NSW
660 posts
NSW, 660 posts
31 Jul 2008 9:30pm
windjunky said...
[I was at a meeting in Canberra a few weeks back with a whole bunch of natural resource management types, and at the dinner sat next to a lady from the WA Gummint's coastal planning unit. I mentioned Oakajee, and got an instant reponse. (She wasnt a windsurfer, but knew all about the windsurfing aspect, so i figured i was getting the real deal.)
She said a) the port will happen no matter what, and that b) there would indeed be some form of artificial reef built. But then again, she also thought the windsurfing impact would be minimal...


What would a non-windsurfer know about impact on windsurfing, she may be trained at nat res mngt, but not in windsurfing site variables! With a port will come no-sail zones (shipping lanes), so its not just the break affected, the whole area would be zoned off I assume.


I'm a (training) natural resources management (better educated version of a hippy?) type (well in uni training/fieldwork too atm) and a windsurfer (obviously), I think this type of development is negative for social aspects and environment, but a plus for economics.

Basically with the WA government, being so pro-development/resource usage (which is why probably half the windsurfers on here from WA are employed) will push through any proposal like this, irregardless. No matter what you find there (endangered species etc), they'll find an 'offset'.

As others ^ have said, to stop this (if that'd ever happen) in a state like WA, you'd probably have to note the social demographics of numbers of water users in the area affected or such. Stehsegler - great idea getting a media frenzy via ACA, that'll give em some grief hopefully

Interesting to note Ecologica Environment (environmental consultant doing Enviro Impact Study) is doing bathymetry and wave climate studies on the area, so there will be alot of info for surfers and sailors of the area, but unfortunately it will be unused by the looks of it


Here's a pic of site for those interested (water looks nice atm):
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Pic from www.ecologia.com.au


Good luck with saving your break and sailin spot, hopefully it's there for me to sail and surf by end of uni travelling time.



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