New Age of Windsurfing Part 2 (solutions)

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KA360
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26 Jan 2010 1:56am
Following from the recent topic "New Age of Windsurfing" raised by BlueStorm, I am starting a new topic because I think the other one was getting too long for people to scroll through and we need to focus on solutions to the issues he raised.

The problem is basically about the future of windsurfing given that there are not a lot of young windsurfers taking up the sport.

Kids with windsurfing parents might learn to windsurf if their parents can afford the time and money but, even for them, once they start windsurfing they would find it a lot more fun if there were other kids on the water and they would be more likely to keep windsurfing.

I don't think that we can count on most kids with windsurfing parents becoming windsurfers. The reasons vary and they include the time and dedication that is needed to teach the kids, expense of kids equipment and know-how.

It goes without saying that kids without a windsurfing parent find it almost impossible to take up the sport.

In other countries, this is not necessarily so. Have a look at the UK Team 15s. The link is:

www.rya.org.uk/programmes/rya-team15/Pages/hub.aspx

This concept involves the RYA setting up clubs for windsurfers under 15 years old. Each team has up to 15 members. The kids meet at least weekly during the windsurfing season with some meeting more often and some all year. They keep in touch even when not windsurfing. The meetings involve training by qualified instructors, games and provision of windsurfing equipment if the kids don't have it. The teams learn to windsurf (including race training and freestyle and what ever the particular teams want to do) and can race against other T15 teams. The idea is to promote windsurfing and to eventually get good participation and success for the UK in European events and Olympics. It gives kids opportunity to learn to windsurf and then have windsurfing buddies of their own age to windsurf with.

I think the idea is brilliant and I can't see why we don't copy it here. I guess as a windsurfing community we have to get more organised. Maybe we need to all join the RYA here and get involved in setting the programme. If we are in the organisation then maybe we can influence the agenda. We probably also need to be prepared to do some volunteer coaching. The kids cannot do it alone and one thing is for sure - we need to help!

An advantage windsurfing has over kitesurfing is that we are part of an Olympic sport. We come under the RYA which means that we have the support of an organisation which is bound to look after us. I think it is rightfully our organisation that could be working to support our aims better - it's there for the taking if we get involved and become more vocal.

Apart from supporting better ways to get kids involved in windsurfing, there may be more advantages to all windsurfers of any age. There could probably be more done for adult beginners and more influencing in terms of better rigging areas, beach facilities eg storage, equipment rental, lessons, social and fun events. There might even be funding available from government. I don't know exactly but let's think about it.

The majority of windsurfers are probably freeriders and they are the group currently not catered for properly within the RYA. If the freeriders joined en masse we would probably be the largest sailing class in the organisation and deserve better benefits (a bigger piece of the pie). I imagine that currently the windsurfers in the RYA would be predominantly the racers...

There was a suggestion made by LeStef in "New Age of Windsurfing" about setting up a Seabreeze forum just for kids issues which would allow questions by kids, questions about teaching kids and kid's equipment and whatever other issues are specific to them. The "older" (and wiser) windsurfers could help there by passing on their knowledge.

Also one of the latest replies, included information about what happens in Hong Kong. Really interesting...

I can't help thinking that, in Australia, our climate and traditional involvement in water sports should mean that we dominate in windsurfing over countries that have poor climates in comparison.

So what do you think?

If we want windsurfing to have a better take-up (and retention) rate then the kids need to get into the sport. If we have more windsurfers, we will be taken into account more when it comes to cheaper gear or even availability of equipment (because there is a bigger market) and we'll have better facilities etc We will have more influence when it comes to our use of waterways too.
spot1
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25 Jan 2010 11:19pm
iam loging how many hrs it takes for a 7yold to stand on the board get the sail up and go along for lets say 50m. i have no idea how long this will take.
We have done 4hrs so far.
Hes not a bad little surfer but that has taken 3 years and counting
jermaldan
jermaldan
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26 Jan 2010 6:42am
spot1 said...

iam loging how many hrs it takes for a 7yold to stand on the board get the sail up and go along for lets say 50m. i have no idea how long this will take.
We have done 4hrs so far.
Hes not a bad little surfer but that has taken 3 years and counting



I'm taking my 7 yo son out there tomorrow with another chap who also has a son the same age, and a proper childrens rig. My son has never been but is realy exited about the whole thing. I hope that he has a great time regardless of I'd he sails 50m or not,and at the end of the day has enough in him to do it again another day.

Kids need to have free access to gear and this should be supported by the entire
market, because the more kids can take up the sport, the more customers they will have in the future. It's an investment.

SHQ/RPS are you listening? Run some free workshops for kids, get them out there learning and secure your revenue stream for the future!
sboardcrazy
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26 Jan 2010 11:27am
KA360 said...

Following from the recent topic "New Age of Windsurfing" raised by BlueStorm, I am starting a new topic because I think the other one was getting too long for people to scroll through and we need to focus on solutions to the issues he raised.

The problem is basically about the future of windsurfing given that there are not a lot of young windsurfers taking up the sport.

Kids with windsurfing parents might learn to windsurf if their parents can afford the time and money but, even for them, once they start windsurfing they would find it a lot more fun if there were other kids on the water and they would be more likely to keep windsurfing.

I don't think that we can count on most kids with windsurfing parents becoming windsurfers. The reasons vary and they include the time and dedication that is needed to teach the kids, expense of kids equipment and know-how.

It goes without saying that kids without a windsurfing parent find it almost impossible to take up the sport.

In other countries, this is not necessarily so. Have a look at the UK Team 15s. The link is:

www.rya.org.uk/programmes/rya-team15/Pages/hub.aspx

This concept involves the RYA setting up clubs for windsurfers under 15 years old. Each team has up to 15 members. The kids meet at least weekly during the windsurfing season with some meeting more often and some all year. They keep in touch even when not windsurfing. The meetings involve training by qualified instructors, games and provision of windsurfing equipment if the kids don't have it. The teams learn to windsurf (including race training and freestyle and what ever the particular teams want to do) and can race against other T15 teams. The idea is to promote windsurfing and to eventually get good participation and success for the UK in European events and Olympics. It gives kids opportunity to learn to windsurf and then have windsurfing buddies of their own age to windsurf with.

I think the idea is brilliant and I can't see why we don't copy it here. I guess as a windsurfing community we have to get more organised. Maybe we need to all join the RYA here and get involved in setting the programme. If we are in the organisation then maybe we can influence the agenda. We probably also need to be prepared to do some volunteer coaching. The kids cannot do it alone and one thing is for sure - we need to help!

An advantage windsurfing has over kitesurfing is that we are part of an Olympic sport. We come under the RYA which means that we have the support of an organisation which is bound to look after us. I think it is rightfully our organisation that could be working to support our aims better - it's there for the taking if we get involved and become more vocal.

Apart from supporting better ways to get kids involved in windsurfing, there may be more advantages to all windsurfers of any age. There could probably be more done for adult beginners and more influencing in terms of better rigging areas, beach facilities eg storage, equipment rental, lessons, social and fun events. There might even be funding available from government. I don't know exactly but let's think about it.

The majority of windsurfers are probably freeriders and they are the group currently not catered for properly within the RYA. If the freeriders joined en masse we would probably be the largest sailing class in the organisation and deserve better benefits (a bigger piece of the pie). I imagine that currently the windsurfers in the RYA would be predominantly the racers...

There was a suggestion made by LeStef in "New Age of Windsurfing" about setting up a Seabreeze forum just for kids issues which would allow questions by kids, questions about teaching kids and kid's equipment and whatever other issues are specific to them. The "older" (and wiser) windsurfers could help there by passing on their knowledge.

Also one of the latest replies, included information about what happens in Hong Kong. Really interesting...

I can't help thinking that, in Australia, our climate and traditional involvement in water sports should mean that we dominate in windsurfing over countries that have poor climates in comparison.

So what do you think?

If we want windsurfing to have a better take-up (and retention) rate then the kids need to get into the sport. If we have more windsurfers, we will be taken into account more when it comes to cheaper gear or even availability of equipment (because there is a bigger market) and we'll have better facilities etc We will have more influence when it comes to our use of waterways too.

Great idea. Has sailboarding ever been a school sport ? That would increase interest.

hardie
hardie
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26 Jan 2010 8:36am
Only thing I'll add to the kid issue is modelling a behaviour such as windsurfing is what attracts kids to things.

Dont forget the 30yrs+ Market, why not Market that when you get to 30, there is a sport just made for you!!!!!!!!!! I think it is a mistake to think that kids aere the answer to windsurfing's future, there are lots of activities which kids never do as children but become attracted to as mature adults!! Think Laterally my fellow passionate windsurfers!!!!!

Clubs/Teams one of the most successful aspects of the GPSTC is the team aspect, people feel they are part of a club/coomunity/tribe........
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
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26 Jan 2010 12:07pm
Agree with you Hardie,

concentrating on kids and neglecting adults isn't the way to go. As I mentioned in the other thread if we are keen on growing windsurfing we all should own or have access to a beginners board and rig.

Its just as fun to go sailing on a day of 20 knot winds as it is to teach someone to windsurf when its 5 knots.


fullmoon
fullmoon
WA
314 posts
WA, 314 posts
26 Jan 2010 9:23am
Kids will learn the basics a lot quicker if they have lessons.
Ive seen them at pelli point and I think the young woman who teaches the kids deserves a sainthood.
The kids actually try to do what she teaches them and when they are wrong she will say "It will go a bit better when the sail is facing in the other direction" never "You are doing it wrong"

Hardies comment about clubs /teams is spot on as well.

Scully
Scully
WA
412 posts
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26 Jan 2010 9:32am
sboardcrazy said...

Great idea. Has sailboarding ever been a school sport ? That would increase interest.



I doubt, when i was living in geraldton, alot of the kids were tryin to get it into it. but it simply doesnt pass safety issues. Only way it would work if you did it out on a lake with tandom boards.

However summer camps might work, when i was 8 my dad payed a fortune to get into me into golf, by getting me to go to this summer camp golf thing. was bloody terrible, but you could make something similar for windsurfing.

6 Weeks for your kids to live, sleep, windsurf together.
You have sponsers which could reduce cost of gear,
and since you can move the kids anywhere you want,
you simply take them to the safest and easiest play to teach them.
Obviously after 6 weeks of constant windsurfing they will be a bunch of gromments on short boards. And Found that addiction from planning.
Just say 15 kids, $800 a head, wouldnt be ridiculous? and would work if you had some descent sponswers.
Warren Francis
Warren Francis
NSW
211 posts
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26 Jan 2010 12:53pm
howdy.....

My background has always been teaching Windsurfing......and only Teaching Windsurfing....apart from a little Information Technology distraction for 18 months which i quickly got out of my system 20 years ago.....ALL of my life and profession has been in Teaching Windsurfing...so yes, know it pretty well and still doing it, albeit in FIJI now!

When i was in Sydney, we were involved in Teaching Kids, both at Palm Beach when i operated Palm Beach Water Sports. We taught Barrenjoey High School. we charged the kids $15/ week and they had FREE weekend practice in the mornings....this was really good for the kids....

John Mesenger was a prodigy of the Palm Beach era......

When i was at Narrabeen Lakes, same story, High Schools came down for school sport, but it was niche and not mainstream.

Since i left Sydney in 2000, there has been a significent decline in school programs and Windsurfing schools in general,this needs to be rectified.

Neil Pryde / BIC / AHD were happy to sponsor the school with equipment and were fantastic in permitting me to access gear for this purpose.

While i agree the focus should not be just on kids, it is no secret my client base is aging!

It was a school sport once an should be again, but there needs to be the infrastructure to support these programs, for a long time this has not existed!

We are now getting clients coming to Fiji with their kids for Windsurfing, wanting to learn - this is fantastic!

The future of Windsurfing is not just kids, we just need to promote it back to the general populus and make it easy to get into.

Warren Francis
Gestalt
Gestalt
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26 Jan 2010 12:03pm
my access to windsurfing was via the high school sport afternoon,

did windsurfing and sailing and surfing in winter.

was awesome!

Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
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26 Jan 2010 10:26am
School classes
Schools do run beginners windsurfing courses in WA through the State Sailing Centre. The kids enjoy it but most don't go on with it because they don't have equipment and don't know where to hire it and that hire rates are actually very reasonable.

Camps
I got into windsurfing (as an adult) through being a sailing camp organiser. I had never been sporty and I hated getting wet!
We provided options of windsurfing, canoeing and dingy sailing each morning for a week. I wasn't intending to participate but as I was watching the kids on the first morning I said to the windsurfing instructor "I'd like to give this a go one day" and he said "Grab a board and hop on". The kids were desperate for me (as camp director) to fall in, and my pride wasn't going to allow that any more than necessary so I tried really hard and did quite well. The instructor was very helpful and encouraging and positive and I think that was the key. There was a core of about ten kids and staff who really took to the windsurfing and did it every day.
On the last day the instructor gave us a freestyle demo and I think that really inspired us. We wanted to continue. 6 of us, 2 staff and 4 kids continued to have weekly lessons on the centre's equipment one afternoon after school learning harness technique etc. After that I was "hooked" and went out and bought my first board. The other staff member used to come sailing with me and we shared my equipment. Some of the boys bought equipment too.
Keys to success:
A group of people having fun together
Opportunity to continue past beginner lessons
Wetsuits available so people don't get cold
Young inspiring and encouraging instructors who will show you where you can go with the sport
(kids especially warm to instructors in their 20's)

Adults as the growth area of the sport
Windsurfing is one of the few sports people can take up in middle age and do well at, and one people can continue in for decades.
It is also a sport you can do even if you are not athletic, fit or a good swimmer.
KA360
KA360
NSW
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26 Jan 2010 1:44pm
in the ACT most high schools and all colleges(year 11+12) had windsurfing as a sport elective during the 80's and early 90's,at our school ,in winter we made our own custom boards,the school got our materials for us tax free
many of these schools still have that equipment(but our local government closed 43 schools last year in the ACT,we are lucky to still have a school at all)
what killed that was insurances and the fear of litigation(RYA has insurance)

we also had board hire and lessons on the lake,but once again local government made it increasingly difficult and eventually not sustainable for the operators

by no means am i only interested in youth windsurfing,we need new blood,any age and both sexes
there are a number of great windsurfing schools around the country,they are already catering for most and doing their best to promote the sport and expand our numbers.
these certified instructors/schools could be an invaluable resource of talent and facilities/equipment which the RYA could employ
KA360
KA360
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26 Jan 2010 3:08pm
scully sweet idea

kids from australia wide meeting at 1 special location(friendly ,warm,shallow,sandy and windy)

objective 1-to have fun and learn to love it
objective 2-to get as many as possible to feel planing
objective 3- get as many as possible to master waterstarting
for adults,the carve gybe is their greatest hurdle
kids master gybing very easily and quickly
but the waterstart is far more difficult for them

once they can waterstart,watch out,the learning curve will go through the roof

Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
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26 Jan 2010 6:00pm
KA360 said...

scully sweet idea

kids from australia wide meeting at 1 special location(friendly ,warm,shallow,sandy and windy)

objective 1-to have fun and learn to love it
objective 2-to get as many as possible to feel planing
objective 3- get as many as possible to master waterstarting
for adults,the carve gybe is their greatest hurdle
kids master gybing very easily and quickly
but the waterstart is far more difficult for them

once they can waterstart,watch out,the learning curve will go through the roof



My son (15) learned to waterstart in one hour just recently.
(he had the benefit of all my accumulated knowledge of what not to do!)
MrSpaggiari
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26 Jan 2010 8:30pm
I honestly think that the blog I posted identifies and answers this problem correctly: schoolofsurf.com.au/blogs
spot1
spot1
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26 Jan 2010 7:40pm
after 4

trips(6hrs) to the river it all has clicked in were to hold the pole
Alimac23
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WA
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28 Jan 2010 11:53pm
Hi All,

As mentioned above the team 15 idea has really given windsurfing a new lease of life in the UK and when i was training to do fast forward coaching in vassiliki we got to teach a few of the team 15 clubs as a practise.

I would definitely say the combination of all the kids together to spur each other on made a huge difference and what really made them learn quickly was the fast forward model of teaching, it was quite funny actually because when i went from the old RYA method of teaching to the new fast forward method my own sailing actually improved as i found when teaching you really have to think things through and as a result you think about what you are teaching and apply it to your own sailing when out on the water.

If anyone is interested in the fast forward method / model which i found was awesome for teaching everyone from young kids all the way up then check out this site for an introduction of what its about:

www.rya.org.uk/contact-us/Pages/404.aspx?oldUrl=/go/get-afloat
KA360
KA360
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30 Jan 2010 11:37pm
Alimac23 said...


If anyone is interested in the fast forward method / model which i found was awesome for teaching everyone from young kids all the way up then check out this site for an introduction of what its about:

www.rya.org.uk/contact-us/Pages/404.aspx?oldUrl=/go/get-afloat


I'm interested but I tried to find information on the fast forward method but couldn't see it on the site. Can you help?
Sailhack
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9 Feb 2010 9:27pm
A few weeks late, but thought I'd post it all the same...not as advanced as some of the kids on here, but doesn't worry me...they're loving it!

6yo's first attempt on friends' home-made rig -


Took all of about 5 mins (and a change of equipment) to get to this stage -


My 4yo's next...and keen...she's working on her uphaul technique -
TrevNewman
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9 Feb 2010 11:28pm
Sailhack said...

A few weeks late, but thought I'd post it all the same...not as advanced as some of the kids on here, but doesn't worry me...they're loving it!

6yo's first attempt on friends' home-made rig -


Took all of about 5 mins (and a change of equipment) to get to this stage -


My 4yo's next...and keen...she's working on her uphaul technique -



great pics
How is the "aquaglide"? I have only seen them on ebay etc...was thinking of getting one (or some sort of 'family' board) for when junior is a bit older.
Pointman
Pointman
WA
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10 Feb 2010 9:49am
Some great replies on this thread, and I fully support the initiatives to get young kids involved in our great sport.

However, I'm inclined to agree with Hardie and think there are a lot of dormant windsurfers out there in their 40's or 50's who were active sailors in the 80's / 90's, but for a variety of reasons (work, family, life etc) have drifted out of the sport. Think back to the heyday of windsurfing and the huge numbers of sailors it attracted...where are they all now?

I grew up racing cats up and down the coast of WA. Part of what made it an attractive lifestyle to families was the infrastructure provided by the sailing clubs. This meant mum and the (little) kids had somewhere to hang out while dad (and the older kids) were off sailing, out of the sun and the wind. It also provided a focal point so interested punters could wander in off the streets to see what it was all about.

As a nomadic tribe windsurfers generally don't have affiliations with sailing clubs and hence we also don't have a 'home base' so to speak. I think if the sport is to grow and appeal to a wider base we have to somehow overcome our aversion to belonging to organised clubs and either join existing sailing clubs in locations that suit, or develop new facilities that will attract families and encourage the young'uns.

A sailing club could provide a fleet of learner boards to facilitate the types of training programs discussed here, and it would be a more attractive option to bring the wife and kids along if they had somewhere to 'hang out'.

The difficulty is finding individuals with the time and commitment to develop this approach, and changing the windsurfing culture so we're not all just 'blowing in the wind'
Sailhack
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10 Feb 2010 10:09pm
TrevNewman said...

How is the "aquaglide"? I have only seen them on ebay etc...was thinking of getting one (or some sort of 'family' board) for when junior is a bit older.


It's pretty cool actually, I got mine off Ebay last year and the kids have had a ball on it. The light rig is really easy for them to hold up, and it slugs along (but very stable). I had a SUP (don't laugh) on the weekend on it in the harbour, and we've used it as a platform to take the kids out into deeper water...all up, money well spent!

Pointman said...


there are a lot of dormant windsurfers out there in their 40's or 50's who were active sailors in the 80's / 90's, but for a variety of reasons (work, family, life etc) have drifted out of the sport. Think back to the heyday of windsurfing and the huge numbers of sailors it attracted...where are they all now?



A few of the local guys (40yo retired w/surfers) have taken it back up after a few years away, and all have said that they missed it...

I'll never be able to play comp footy with my kids because of the age diff, but I'll be sure as hell proud if I can be blasting along on the water alongside them!

LeStef
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10 Feb 2010 11:57pm
Nice pics Sailhack

On the subject of promoting windsuring, my kids have been watching RUSH TV on ABC3. Quite some good stuffs, lots of surfing, skate, or BMX, but I haven't seen once any windsurfing.
I am sure they could show lots, but who decides ?
Chris 249
Chris 249
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11 Feb 2010 2:40pm
Great thread.

We've been doing "T15" stuff with the Windsurfer One Designs/Junior Ones at Dobroyd, Middle Harbour and Illawarra YC for about three or four years now. Neil Tasker at Barracouta Sails made up some great little 4.5m sails that are super tough and miles better than the old beginner's sails or superannuated surf sails. They also have the power to drive the One Designs surprisingly well - Jess Crisp has beaten a bunch of top class racers in the right winds, using a 4.5. Our experience is that in a light-wind location like Dobroyd/Iron Cove, a good beginner using a 4.5 on a One Design will be several minutes quicker around the normal course than a top-class youth on a Techno with 7.8 (of course, the Techno kicks ass in consistent planing courses).

It's really not hard to get kids into the sport, as long as you have someone with the time to do it all. And "all" doesn't just mean teaching the kids to sail - it also means helping them buy a board etc. Sometimes you even almost have to hold the parents' hands and tell them how to get roofracks for their car.

The easiest and most effective target seems to be the kids of those who windsurfed in the boomtime of the sport. That way you're dealing with parents who know how to windsurf (even if they are rusty) and know to manage the gear in terms of rigging, buying, storing, maintaining etc.

Secondly, you normally get two for one - the parent wants to get Junior into it, so the parent gets back into it as well.

Hopefully, once we get enough of these second generation kids in, we'll get the numbers to really develop that side of the sport.

These days 1/4 of the fleet at any One Design title is teenagers; that means 8-15 kids, from 7 to 18. The really small or new ones sail with 4.5s on a separate little course just like T15 does, the better/older ones sail with big rigs against their parents and the other adults. The kids can be very competitive in One Designs, and they love to race against the adults and beat them - it's cool to see a 15 year old girl like Anna Gilbert beat her dad, a former Olympic team member and four time world champ, across the line in light winds.

While we are a longboard One Design class and feel that the One Design/Junior One (which is just a One Design with the 4.5m sail) suits our needs, we're not saying it's the only way.

Really, the only obstacle to getting more kids into windsurfing is the fact that volunteers like us can't put in enough time. Parents aren't opposed to paying for lessons, it's just finding someone who can give lessons and then (very importantly) show them how to get right into the sport.

Hey 360, we should get your son up for the One Design/J1 states, March 13-14. He can borrow a 3.5m BArracouta sail and board from me.
KA360
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13 Feb 2010 6:35pm
Chris 249 said...


We've been doing "T15" stuff with the Windsurfer One Designs/Junior Ones at Dobroyd, Middle Harbour and Illawarra YC for about three or four years now.........

Really, the only obstacle to getting more kids into windsurfing is the fact that volunteers like us can't put in enough time. Parents aren't opposed to paying for lessons, it's just finding someone who can give lessons and then (very importantly) show them how to get right into the sport.

Hey 360, we should get your son up for the One Design/J1 states, March 13-14. He can borrow a 3.5m BArracouta sail and board from me.


Brilliant! Great work! We would love to come up sometime (not sure if we can make it for mid March but will try...) Re lending Alex your board - though it is much appreciated, you have obviously forgotten about the time you lent me Robby Naish's Pan Am board and I returned it not totally in the same condition ... By the way, over the years, I had a habit of giving away Wallys as Christmas presents and they are probably under those lucky people's houses gathering cobwebs - I'll go and get a couple of them back ....

Chris, what you are doing is terrific and I was very excited to hear about it. I went searching all the relevant websites (inclucing the clubs) and couldn't find any mention though. Unless someone is told about this, they won't know there is anything like this going on. This isn't a criticism (hey, you guys should be congratulated because you are doing something really beneficial for the kids and the sport) but I would love to see something on the websites so that more people could benefit. We need a model that other clubs can copy and I guess a bit of national coordination wouldn't go astray either!

I know a lot of people over the years have been making attempts to promote windsurfing and coming up against obstacles. They have "kept the flame alive". I think the time is now though - there is more chance of success than has been the case for ages. The issue seems to me to be funding. Volunteers can only do so much. How can we get more money for equipment, instructors, facilities, organisation, lobbying, marketing and promotional work?

Keep up the good work - hope to see you soon!
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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13 Feb 2010 11:21pm
Here in Singapore, there are ample facilities for young ppl to learn - cheap lessons, rental gear (full beginners kit, 20 bucks for 2 hours), and most of the colleges etc seem to have a windsurfing programme. Almost every day of the week, there are groups of 5-10 ppl trying it for the first time.
still, the problem is, very very few stick at it. You need to be really stoked to learn windsurfing, cos it's such a hard, frustrating, and expensive process. People with busy schedules, social lives etc would prefer to do something quicker and easier, like rollerblading or soccer...
kamadokite
kamadokite
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15 Feb 2010 3:01am
SUP/WINDSURFING - part of the solution

HI My two cents....(well 2$ really)

(before things get serious) just like the old days of the 'windsurfer'
This pic is a naish 12 ft SUP plugged in...I actually had a great sail the day before in 10 knots goofing around, sailing backwards, sitting down etc...all the time some guys were on their giant $3,000 1m wide fat slalom board with fins as big as Australia 2's winged keel were were falling off and planning and not planning...I burned past them every time over the run, no foot starps just a wait harness lots of fun....stable as and I am sure I could teach anyone to sail on it.....don;t need the big fat wide boards these are stable enough...end of the day if someone just has NO balance and is a kook they are not going to get into windsurfing full stop, Harsh news, you will get wet sailing, you will fall in, deal with it, you don;t need boards so wide. Nor to we need 22 differnt styles of board for all the variable types of sailing, nor do we need t0 plane in 6 knots....go play tennis/golf if there is no wind, walk the dog or the the missus or whatever....its out of control!!!!
SIMPLIFY IT!
The 12ft is a pig to paddle much prefered the shorter wider 10ft Naish but then it has no mast track?
I'm getting an SUP for fun light sailing, teaching kids, paddling and maybe even really light wind wave sailing...
(ignore the fact I kite and have a wave board and also a slalom board, Ive been hooked for years) but if you get the idea....windsurfing gear is so expensive especially to those that are not hooked....here we have a multipurpose board for everyone....Surely this has to entice new people (all ages onto the water), just rock up to the beach , no wind , cool just paddle, breeze kicks in sail, get good at sailing , then look for a better windsurf board.
I'm amazed that not all SUP makers are doing mast tracks or even promoting them as sailboards....is that because the construction on the SUP is so crap?..seems such a logical choice to promote water sports in general and helpget lazy fat assed Aussies off the couch and outdoors.

Infact maybe I could get a Govt grant to get people into the water and off the couch....could call it get 'get wet, move your ass or die grant' ! Is that politically correct?!

Here's one for you to consider?
Why do so many Europeans sail, surf, kite etc...they have crap conditions, yet are all so keen and passionate...is there something in their water..or is it in ours..?
(i'm in Lancelin as I write surrounded by people that have traveled the world in pursuit of this sport!,)
I am of the firm belief most Aussies are getting lazier and less active by the day.
We have the best conditions in the world, yet prefer to sit in front of the TV and watch the cricket/footy etc.
Its a social question as much as it is an equipment one.
kamadokite
kamadokite
QLD
15 posts
QLD, 15 posts
15 Feb 2010 3:06am
Photos blocked out the text..but basiclaly one board the entire family to start from, that can be paddled, surfed and sailed.
Get people hooked then they can slect better gear as they progress.
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
15 Feb 2010 5:01am
I was given a large SUP too, I use it equally with old windsurfers or oval GOs for teaching. The SUP has got incredibly soft padding, people like that.
Works best on on-shore winds though, as it just doesn't go well upwind.

They're good enough to get people hooked in for the next stage (buying). Then it depends where it goes from there. Some go to shops and local 'gurus' that steers into 'speed', multiple gears and the big Tupperware party. Often it dies right there and then. Too expensive.

Or with good advice they go at it gradually with single, 2nd-hand equipment, until they know what they want to get in to - freesailing, waves, family stuff, etc. That's the right way.

(Even worse, couple of shops in town try to convince buyers that kiting is more fun because it's easier. Just great.)
ginger pom
ginger pom
VIC
1746 posts
VIC, 1746 posts
15 Feb 2010 11:10am
Someone posted something on the Boards forum comparing windsurfing with skiing.

All the stuff is spot on above but we need to look at the whole package of the sport

Learning curve - sorting out all the sticking points - some way of helping someone, who has only just learnt to use the harness and footstraps, enjoy a 20knot breeze without getting nailed.

Social element - building communities and social rituals - something a bit club like and a bit more family and girl friendly eg as windsurfers, as other halves and as kids. This would have to be a bit more stable than waiting until the last 20 minutes before deciding to drive 3 hours west, 3 hours east or go mountain biking.

Kit - more beginner's kit in circulation (could be SUP gear). Could also be plastic boards like Tiga and Hifly used to make. Cheap enough to be owned by everyone who windsurfs.

Competition - it makes the best of **** conditions - one design racing (I really liked IMCO) that is manageably physical (not the Pryde class) and hotly competitive. Would be replaced by slalom if it got good. Slalom would have to have strict rules to stop people using dedicated kit (cos that's nerdy and makes it cheque book racing)
jermaldan
jermaldan
VIC
1572 posts
VIC, 1572 posts
23 Feb 2010 1:26am
Well I can finally say that I have my son hooked. He is just starting but there is not a day that goes by that he doesn ask "dad when can we go windsurfing again?"

I took him down to Inverloch on the weekend an boy did he have a great time. We couldnt get him out of the water!








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