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nosinkanow
nosinkanow
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20 Jul 2010 6:48pm
While on the subject of Biomimicry hows this concept learnt from bumps (tubercles) on the *leading edge* of Humpback pectoral fins, a totally different approach from the evolution of wing, sail and fins as we know it. Interesting insight and perhaps food for thought? Looks pretty lethal though.

http://www.whalepower.com/drupal/?q=node/1
or more directly to the point www.whalepower.com/drupal/?q=node/3





Quote below from one of many links on the study;
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7650744

"The humpback whale flipper had a cross-sectional design typical of manufactured aerodynamic foils for lift generation. The morphology and placement of leading edge tubercles suggest that they function as enhanced lift devices to control flow over the flipper and maintain lift at high angles of attack. The morphology of the humpback whale flipper suggests that it is adapted for high maneuverability associated with the whale's unique feeding behavior."

Fascinating stuff. My amateur conclusion are the bumps increases surface area.

Yup it's winter alright. Blowing S/SW maxed between 17-23knots for 2 hours and I'm working...and freakin' cold....SHUT THE DOOR you're letting in a draft
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Chris 249
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20 Jul 2010 10:04pm
I don't think it's completely new - it seems to be the same as the vortex inducers on the mast of Gretel II, the Australian challenger for the America's Cup of 1970.

Vortex inducers don't increase surface area; they change the turbulence of the laminar flow and therefore cause it to stay attached longer, IIRC.

NotWal
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20 Jul 2010 10:29pm
That guy uses "morphology" incorrectly. Morphology is the study of shapes.
He should have said "shape".
Windxtasy
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20 Jul 2010 10:32pm
Morphology is more than just shape, it is the form and structure of an organ considered as a whole.

barn
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20 Jul 2010 10:47pm
I was inspired by this, but it makes absolutely no noticeable difference for cumbersome windsurfing primates.. but on the evolutionary timescale of the humpback the smallest advantage will retained and refined.


any new human technology is always preceded by nature.. with more style
Mrgob
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21 Jul 2010 6:16am
Yeah, I'll believe nature knows best when I see an animal with wheels!
choco
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21 Jul 2010 8:29am
www.designlessacher.de/
DavMen
DavMen
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21 Jul 2010 9:03am
Mrgob said...

Yeah, I'll believe nature knows best when I see an animal with wheels!


here you go

nosinkanow
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21 Jul 2010 7:01pm
Pronounced "tooberclay" with the pretentious accent on the 'e'. So I wasn't that busy today OK?!


NotWal
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21 Jul 2010 7:20pm
Windxtasy said...

Morphology is more than just shape, it is the form and structure of an organ considered as a whole.




Do you mean taking the innards into consideration?
I've always thought about it as topology not infrastructure. I'll have to check :)
NotWal
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21 Jul 2010 7:30pm
Mrgob said...

Yeah, I'll believe nature knows best when I see an animal with wheels!


hehe The venerable Stephen J Gould pointed one out. It was a bacterium with a bit that revolved around another bit like a wheel on an axle. That's all I remember, sorry.
Pugwash
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21 Jul 2010 5:33pm
nosinkanow said...

Pronounced "tooberclay" with the pretentious accent on the 'e'. So I wasn't that busy today OK?!





Excellent weed grabber fins
NotWal
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21 Jul 2010 7:36pm
NotWal said...

Windxtasy said...

Morphology is more than just shape, it is the form and structure of an organ considered as a whole.




Do you mean taking the innards into consideration?
I've always thought about it as topology not infrastructure. I'll have to check :)


Having checked, I see what you mean. Its about more than topology but I still think that is an incorrect usage. I think he's talking about "shape".
Windxtasy
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21 Jul 2010 6:44pm
NotWal said...

NotWal said...

Windxtasy said...

Morphology is more than just shape, it is the form and structure of an organ considered as a whole.




Do you mean taking the innards into consideration?
I've always thought about it as topology not infrastructure. I'll have to check :)


Having checked, I see what you mean. Its about more than topology but I still think that is an incorrect usage. I think he's talking about "shape".


The morphology and placement of leading edge tubercles suggest that they function as enhanced lift devices to control flow over the flipper and maintain lift at high angles of attack. The morphology of the humpback whale flipper suggests that it is adapted for high maneuverability associated with the whale's unique feeding behavior."

That is the way the word is usually used. It means 3D shape, texture, supporting structures, as they relate to function.
ginger pom
ginger pom
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21 Jul 2010 11:22pm
Mrgob said...

Yeah, I'll believe nature knows best when I see an animal with wheels!


Wheel can't evolve because there's no small step to get an axis and a wheel from a normal bone
nebbian
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21 Jul 2010 9:46pm
Windxtasy said...

The morphology and placement of leading edge tubercles suggest that they function as enhanced lift devices to control flow over the flipper and maintain lift at high angles of attack. The morphology of the humpback whale flipper suggests that it is adapted for high maneuverability associated with the whale's unique feeding behavior."

That is the way the word is usually used. It means 3D shape, texture, supporting structures, as they relate to function.


Only when talking about astronomy apparently:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphology

I think it might be similar to the word 'enormity', in that it is so frequently misused that its true meaning has been diluted.

What really bakes my noodle is the realisation that if enough people misuse a word, then the misuse of that word becomes correct. GAAAAH!!!! That shouldn't be right.

Stand out from the crowd! Take a stand for the english language! Your kids will thank you.
nebbian
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21 Jul 2010 9:52pm
Mrgob said...

Yeah, I'll believe nature knows best when I see an animal with wheels!


Or a car with legs
Mrgob
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22 Jul 2010 12:40am
There is a serious issue though, and we need to face where it may lead. Evolution has thrown up brains, which humans occasionally use. Doesn't this then give us the ability to improve on nature, and help evolution along with an eventual mastery of genetics?

The genie is already half way out of the bottle, and we live artificial lives, (wearing clothes and windsurfing) so why not give evolution a helping hand? Or are we still frightened of the dark?
barn
barn
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22 Jul 2010 12:49am
Mrgob said...

Yeah, I'll believe nature knows best when I see an animal with wheels!


wheels are rubbish unless u spend billions of dollars on infrastructure.

A bicycle would have been awesome in australia 500 years ago?

ever since the wheel was invented, animals legs had to pull them around..

race a horse or a... velociraptor over rough terrain and the wheel looks pretty useless, especially in 50 years when all the fossil fuels run out and were towing all our wheels with animals legs again.

optical lenses, echolocation, electrolocation , hypodermic needles, solar power, electricity, there is even METAL in some wasp stings... flight, polar navigation, Celestial navigation... errr thermal regulated houses..

we cant even turn grass into milk yet..
Mrgob
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22 Jul 2010 1:23am
It's not what nature does Barn, but the extent to which, and how well it does it. You're not seriously suggesting that birds have flown to, and landed on the moon are you?

Does anyone really believe that when the fossil fuels run out there will be no alternative power source, (nuclear and hydrogen), and that we will be going back to horse and cart days?

Perhaps I'd better buy a dozen more mountain bikes as spares! (They don't need infrastructure anymore than my wave board does. ) As for outrunning a Velociraptor, why bother when I can shoot it! (I'd be inside a hydrogen powered tank of course.)
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