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ikw777
ikw777
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15 Mar 2016 9:32pm
The water at my local is full of eagle rays. I sail a lot. I hit them a lot. I have massive over-the-fronts. It hurts. It wrecks my gear. It wrecks the rays (presumably).

What's the solution?


TRIMMER
TRIMMER
QLD
217 posts
QLD, 217 posts
15 Mar 2016 9:38pm
Weed fins and concrete
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
15 Mar 2016 10:39pm
Shorter weed fin? Otherwise - change of location.
vando
vando
QLD
3419 posts
QLD, 3419 posts
15 Mar 2016 9:49pm
I know the feeling had my fair share of hits in the bay.
Weed fins may help but not in all cases .
ikw777
ikw777
QLD
2995 posts
QLD, 2995 posts
15 Mar 2016 10:00pm
I'm starting to get a bit gun-shy about blasting down the Queens Beach speed-strip.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23652 posts
WA, 23652 posts
15 Mar 2016 8:29pm
Keep the ray
Cut flaps off
Punch them with a bit of sharpened waterpipe to get nice white circles about 1" (x 1/2" thick)
Mix little white circles with scallops to take on a bit of smell
Sell the whole lot as real scallops.

(Chinese restaurant trick, wonder why 'rays are so popular to catch and there ya have it)
Piv
Piv
WA
372 posts
Piv Piv
WA, 372 posts
15 Mar 2016 9:04pm
Get a board with a powa box. Fins guaranteed to snap off. keep a few spares jammed in your harness and a screwdriver for on the water changes
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23652 posts
WA, 23652 posts
15 Mar 2016 9:32pm
^^ They are designed to. The clearance between bolt and the barrel nut insert is a tiny bit more than for a normal nut n bolt, so as to save your board.

But yeah the box in a board is pretty damn strong and I have had the fin let go earlier than I'd like. EG a walking pace collision with rock, that would obviously not damage the board. In that case the fin manufacturer sold me a fin at cost! Top marks to them


ikw777
ikw777
QLD
2995 posts
QLD, 2995 posts
16 Mar 2016 5:52am
All my boards are powerboxes. The fins only break off when I hit turtles . Rays have a bit of give in them. Still like hitting a dining table though.
powersloshin
powersloshin
NSW
1855 posts
NSW, 1855 posts
16 Mar 2016 7:29am
Think that you still end up better than the ray
Tardy
Tardy
5340 posts
5340 posts
16 Mar 2016 5:36am
Slow down .

on a serious note .weed fins do run over them easier..
but not that nice to use .
go wave fins....they won't kill but sting the ray .
saltyheaven
saltyheaven
TAS
507 posts
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16 Mar 2016 9:10am
Potentially unpopular opinion warning:


Quite seriously, in your opening post you say it presumably wrecks the rays. Indeed if you are having massive over the fronts, I'll bet that's true in quite possibly a pretty gruesome way. They're just hanging out, at home, doing ray things.
Maybe it's worth considering not sailing so fast in this location, in fairness to the Rays.
Haggar
Haggar
QLD
1670 posts
QLD, 1670 posts
16 Mar 2016 8:22am
Its a problem at other places including lakes. Yes maybe a weedy or more swept back smaller fin but potentially at the expense of sailing experience. You could just hit sandbanks or rocks like me and save the rays
Ian K
Ian K
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16 Mar 2016 7:07am
saltyheaven said..
Potentially unpopular opinion warning:


Quite seriously, in your opening post you say it presumably wrecks the rays. Indeed if you are having massive over the fronts, I'll bet that's true in quite possibly a pretty gruesome way. They're just hanging out, at home, doing ray things.
Maybe it's worth considering not sailing so fast in this location, in fairness to the Rays.




Yes, it's a concern, haven't hit anything noticeably big this season but have narrowly missed a shark and a seal. Power boxes are designed to merely save the board. Shouldn't we think about a bit more precision in the breakaway? In normal sailing the fore and aft force is only a kilogram or two of drag. A calibrated hinge to the rear at 5 kilograms would greatly improve safety for other water users.

The sailor should avoid the catapult and still have enough fin action to get back to the beach and fit a fresh shear pin.
Adoy
Adoy
NSW
238 posts
NSW, 238 posts
16 Mar 2016 10:18am
Take up kitesurfing you can ride a board with no fins
arancini
arancini
WA
373 posts
WA, 373 posts
16 Mar 2016 10:18am
I only know one bloke called Ray and I don't think he swims there, why are all these Ray's getting together in one place anyway.
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
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16 Mar 2016 12:36pm
Ian K said..
saltyheaven said..
Potentially unpopular opinion warning:


Quite seriously, in your opening post you say it presumably wrecks the rays. Indeed if you are having massive over the fronts, I'll bet that's true in quite possibly a pretty gruesome way. They're just hanging out, at home, doing ray things.
Maybe it's worth considering not sailing so fast in this location, in fairness to the Rays.




Yes, it's a concern, haven't hit anything noticeably big this season but have narrowly missed a shark and a seal. Power boxes are designed to merely save the board. Shouldn't we think about a bit more precision in the breakaway? In normal sailing the fore and aft force is only a kilogram or two of drag. A calibrated hinge to the rear at 5 kilograms would greatly improve safety for other water users.

The sailor should avoid the catapult and still have enough fin action to get back to the beach and fit a fresh shear pin.


As an ad hoc measure you could use plastic cross nuts and a tether from the deck to the fin. A folding fin would be better, just more of a project.
NotWal
NotWal
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7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
16 Mar 2016 12:38pm
ikw777 said..
I'm starting to get a bit gun-shy about blasting down the Queens Beach speed-strip.

What, Queen's has a speed strip now? I thought it was wall to wall bumps.

Beaglebuddy
Beaglebuddy
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1595 posts
16 Mar 2016 11:58am



sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
16 Mar 2016 2:06pm
Get an iSonic* - it'll solve all your problems. The fish lives, and your fin's as good as new..... [funny that it's still quite raw ]

*(preferably a model around 2012 when they had an inherent weakness at the wingers)


Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23652 posts
WA, 23652 posts
16 Mar 2016 12:18pm
You lot should start being sensible, he asked if it hurts the rays.

I reckon it probably just stings.


sausage
sausage
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16 Mar 2016 2:25pm
Mark _australia said..
You lot should start being sensible, he asked if it hurts the rays.

I reckon it probably just stings.




Mark,
I don't want to get in a flap but was that barb directed at me.
Hooray...
ikw777
ikw777
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QLD, 2995 posts
16 Mar 2016 4:19pm
NotWal said..

ikw777 said..
I'm starting to get a bit gun-shy about blasting down the Queens Beach speed-strip.


What, Queen's has a speed strip now? I thought it was wall to wall bumps.



Yep, that's the one. Sometimes the chop is only a metre high!
Parked
Parked
NSW
169 posts
NSW, 169 posts
16 Mar 2016 6:58pm
Buy a Fanatic Ray, that way you'll still be able to fly with them, just not hurt them or yourself
Beaglebuddy
Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
1595 posts
16 Mar 2016 5:48pm
Must be something to be flat out flying thru the water then suddenly you're floundering.
Still that's quite a cautionary tail, I was expecting a stinger at the end but instead it's a ray of sunshine.
If you are going to be losing fins like that perhaps you could tie a hook and line to them so you don't have to go fish for them afterwards.
Make me stop
Piv
Piv
WA
372 posts
Piv Piv
WA, 372 posts
16 Mar 2016 10:45pm
How about the old multi fins canard clip. Back to the future for fin saving.

curac
curac
WA
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17 Mar 2016 9:21am
sharper fins
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