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windykid
windykid
QLD
368 posts
QLD, 368 posts
12 Nov 2008 9:21pm
learning to gybe can you give me any tips
thanx
wormy
wormy
QLD
679 posts
QLD, 679 posts
12 Nov 2008 9:28pm
Watch some good "how to gybe" vids before you go out, youtube has plenty, get em in your head, it needs to come naturally, and never, never give up, everytime you need to turn, attempt a gybe, so practice, practice, practice. They do come eventually.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
12 Nov 2008 10:45pm
Learn to sail in a broad reach out of the harness and having heaps of speed. If you are barely planing into the gybe its going to be hard to be planing out of it.

nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
12 Nov 2008 8:45pm
Beg, borrow or steal a copy of "Turn for the better" by Peter Hart...

Everything you need to know (and more!) is on there.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14952 posts
QLD, 14952 posts
12 Nov 2008 9:58pm
i reckon find some dead flat water also, that will speed up your efforts plenty.

thomsons beach up near the creek gets flat enough (SE)
wello in near the shore low tides (NE)
pebble beach near bribie (SE)

Upthere
Upthere
QLD
348 posts
QLD, 348 posts
12 Nov 2008 10:11pm
Don't do super long runs. This way u get more practice. A place where u can touch ground is great to. I learnt down thomsons beach up near the creek mainly cause i could touch the ground, but watch out for the patch of rocks near the soft mud sign i reckon ive hit them nearly everytime.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
12 Nov 2008 11:43pm
Um...don't fall off, and remember to make it look good?
md74
md74
QLD
1064 posts
QLD, 1064 posts
13 Nov 2008 12:03am
look thru the turn, dont look down at your feet, kind of "let it happen"

visualisation is good

wide arc

carry good speed

wide exit

bend zee knees, lean forward
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
13 Nov 2008 1:47am
Don't forget to apply MFP

...which means either "Mast Foot Pressure" or "More F*****g Practice", depending on who you ask...
jp747
jp747
1553 posts
1553 posts
12 Nov 2008 11:57pm
windykid said...

learning to gybe can you give me any tips
thanx


have you ever tried a 'sink gybe'? precursor to hi-speed gybe?it'll teach you the sequence of steps in a slow mangageable way
izaak
izaak
TAS
2013 posts
TAS, 2013 posts
13 Nov 2008 8:14am
get on the front foot !!!
555
555
892 posts
555 555
892 posts
13 Nov 2008 7:02am
Rig your kit on the lawn, and practice your rig flip until you can do it 10 times in a row with your eyes shut. That way you won't be tempted to look at your hands instead of where you're going when you're on the water.
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
13 Nov 2008 9:17am
1- read articles, look at pictures / dvds / and other people gybing, until you can mentally visualise what you have to do.
2 - find flattish shallow water to practise.
3 - use a wide board.
4- never, ever, give up.
mgorman
mgorman
VIC
33 posts
VIC, 33 posts
13 Nov 2008 10:34am
Get the Guy Cribb DVD called Intuition. It goes through all the stages from low wind gybes to high speed lay-down gybes. There is also a section on how you can practice the routine at home.
Don't try and do it all at once, try a step at a time or you will get confused.
Of course flat water is the best place (Sandy point in a SW is ace) and practice, practice, practice. Its taken me about two years to be able to go in at speed and come out planning. Good luck.
Gadgetman
Gadgetman
SA
7 posts
SA, 7 posts
13 Nov 2008 11:14am
This is a great clip, good luck!
windaddict
windaddict
VIC
1121 posts
VIC, 1121 posts
13 Nov 2008 12:08pm
Make sure you are comfortably planning in the foot straps, take out the rear foot and place it just infront of your rear strap and just past the middle line of the board towards leeward, this will help you to dig the rail in and carve around, keep leaning forward though and not back otherwise you will stall, round up and sink. You can now either switch stance and flip as you go through the wind, or flip the sail first and switch later, depends on your preference, however I would think switching stance first is easier to learn. When you are baout to flip the sail, grab the mast with your back hand and bring your front hand around to the otherside of the boom, then move your other hand back onto the new side on the boom. As you get better you can flip boom to boom and skip the mast in the middle part. If you feel like your going too fast, oversheet slightly before initiating the gybe to wash a bit of speed off.

Key point: keep your weight forward through the entire turn to keep on the plane.

Dont flip the rig too late or you will find the rig ending up being behind you and may catch the water with the clew.
ikw777
ikw777
QLD
2995 posts
QLD, 2995 posts
13 Nov 2008 11:53am
Make sure your boom is set up as high as you can, go in fast, bear away, sheet in, keep your head up, stay low, look where you are going, and take in plenty of determination and a fair bit of aggression (show that damn board who's boss).

But don't take my advice I'm cr4p. The above works for me 50 percent of the time. The other 50 I'm swimming!!!! ha ha.
Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
678 posts
WA, 678 posts
13 Nov 2008 10:57am
No 1 is LOOK before Gybing
elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
13 Nov 2008 10:58am
Look at what I do

Don't copy
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
13 Nov 2008 11:17am
windaddict said...

Make sure you are comfortably planning in the foot straps, take out the rear foot and place it just infront of your rear strap and just past the middle line of the board towards leeward, this will help you to dig the rail in and carve around, keep leaning forward though and not back otherwise you will stall, round up and sink. You can now either switch stance and flip as you go through the wind, or flip the sail first and switch later, depends on your preference, however I would think switching stance first is easier to learn. When you are baout to flip the sail, grab the mast with your back hand and bring your front hand around to the otherside of the boom, then move your other hand back onto the new side on the boom. As you get better you can flip boom to boom and skip the mast in the middle part. If you feel like your going too fast, oversheet slightly before initiating the gybe to wash a bit of speed off.



Learning to grab the mast set me back about two months on my path to gybing nirvana.

Every time you grab the mast on a gybe, think to yourself "I owe Nebbian another beer".
Every time you grab the new side of the boom without grabbing the mast, think "Yay that's the way to do it". Remember the new hand grabs the boom with an UNDERgrip, this lets you flip easily without banging your elbows together.

Google "Boomshaka"

Practice flipping the sail on the beach with your eyes closed

Gybing: the closest thing to zen we've got
Paul
Paul
WA
346 posts
WA, 346 posts
13 Nov 2008 12:15pm
Agree with nebbian
Don't grab the mast if you can help it.

Also agree with the Zen comment.
I went for a late sail last night on a borrowed isonic board. Sometimes I need reminding just how much fun a full on fast gybe can be in flat water. Get it right and the reward is enormously good for the soul.
After 25 years of sailing a fast laydown gybe at full speed is still one of the most enjoyable moves to do. The bigger the gust of wind, the bigger the power in the sail the better. I can't wait for tonights effort.

When learning you need to fully commit - don't go at it with a half effort.
elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
13 Nov 2008 12:27pm
nebbian said...

windaddict said...

Make sure you are comfortably planning in the foot straps, take out the rear foot and place it just infront of your rear strap and just past the middle line of the board towards leeward, this will help you to dig the rail in and carve around, keep leaning forward though and not back otherwise you will stall, round up and sink. You can now either switch stance and flip as you go through the wind, or flip the sail first and switch later, depends on your preference, however I would think switching stance first is easier to learn. When you are baout to flip the sail, grab the mast with your back hand and bring your front hand around to the otherside of the boom, then move your other hand back onto the new side on the boom. As you get better you can flip boom to boom and skip the mast in the middle part. If you feel like your going too fast, oversheet slightly before initiating the gybe to wash a bit of speed off.



Learning to grab the mast set me back about two months on my path to gybing nirvana.

Every time you grab the mast on a gybe, think to yourself "I owe Nebbian another beer".
Every time you grab the new side of the boom without grabbing the mast, think "Yay that's the way to do it". Remember the new hand grabs the boom with an UNDERgrip, this lets you flip easily without banging your elbows together.

Google "Boomshaka"

Practice flipping the sail on the beach with your eyes closed

Gybing: the closest thing to zen we've got



mgorman
mgorman
VIC
33 posts
VIC, 33 posts
13 Nov 2008 3:00pm
Check out the DVD


Alternatively, go to Dahab and enjoy the best flat water on the planet
windykid
windykid
QLD
368 posts
QLD, 368 posts
13 Nov 2008 5:52pm
thanxs for the advice
Jord
Jord
WA
107 posts
WA, 107 posts
13 Nov 2008 5:24pm
i only have one piece of advice,

When stepping out of your back strap, dont lay your foot across the board, place it pointing towards the nose

I have no idea why this helps, But it helped me alot, and the first time i tryed this technique i went from 2 in 10 gybes to 6 or 7 in 10!

so try it out, it may work

Good Luck!!
hoop
hoop
1979 posts
1979 posts
13 Nov 2008 5:33pm
Not too sure about that one Jord. You dont want to confuse the poor bloke now do you.
kato
kato
VIC
3527 posts
VIC, 3527 posts
13 Nov 2008 8:53pm
Release your back hand early and flick your front hand towards your body as you jybe. This helps the sail to rotate and you can then do "no hand" jybes when you get better.Failing all this advice find Vando and "watch and learn"
fitz66
fitz66
QLD
575 posts
QLD, 575 posts
13 Nov 2008 8:15pm
Hey Elmo lol good vid but not what Nebs was thinking. Peter Hart Turn for the better is really good. Carve nice smooth arcs and don't hang on with the back hand too long, I try to let go and start the rig rotation as soon as the board has gone through downwind and is starting on the other reach.Practice the rotation on dry land so it becomes automatic when on the water.
Leman
Leman
VIC
672 posts
VIC, 672 posts
13 Nov 2008 11:10pm
mgorman said...

Get the Guy Cribb DVD called Intuition. It goes through all the stages from low wind gybes to high speed lay-down gybes. There is also a section on how you can practice the routine at home.


I'll second this. This is the DVD I learnt off. You can't just watch it then shelve it. I just kept coming back to it to see what I did wrong after each sail, until eventually all the steps became fairly natural.

Even once you master it on flat water in perfect wind for your sail, the conditions are never the same.
- changing sail sizes stronger effects all parts of the gybe
- barely planing wind makes it hard to plan on the exit
- overpower can make the turn hard
- waves makes it much harder to gybe, especially with a big arc (sometimes a well timed wave can assist turning, super fun!)

Anyway, good luck with it. Your first planing exit will have you dancing.
oldie
oldie
VIC
356 posts
VIC, 356 posts
14 Nov 2008 3:25am
Well, the "boomshaka" is sort of like grabbing the mast, only faster...
Jord sez "When stepping out of your back strap, dont lay your foot across the board, place it pointing towards the nose".
Is good, this allows "hip shifting" to keep the board turning, yes?
The nicest gybes tend to look a bit gay because of this helpful move, which you can't do unless facing a bit forward.
Come to think of it, the zero success punters always have zero hip movement..

shadow
shadow
WA
93 posts
WA, 93 posts
14 Nov 2008 7:56pm
Give up the next two years of your life. Eat, sleep, dream and meditate the gybe and you will one day do it!
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