Double luff sail

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choco
choco
SA
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SA, 4181 posts
27 Sep 2013 2:51pm
Good to see sail makers trying new things, from ABC windsurfing

http://www.abcwindsurf.eu/index.php/materiali/vele/3199-abc-focus-welcome-to-the-future-le-vele-asimmetriche-di-heru-sails-a-challenger-sails
ABC: What is so different from traditional sails?
HS: Externally and aesthetically few things, the differences are inside, in fact wea double surface which creates a "strange" thickness on the sail that looks like a pocket of very large tree, in practice you do not see the classic depth but almost convex surface.
We were able to achieve, for windsurfing, a wing sail similar to other modern wing surfaces designed for boats and catamarans.
Obviously our wing sail is a weapon as a traditional sail, mast and boom as standard




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Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
27 Sep 2013 3:34pm
does this mean there are no cams?
choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
SA, 4181 posts
27 Sep 2013 3:07pm
Haircut said..

does this mean there are no cams?


I think there are cams in the sails but two batten per cam, this technology may go no where or change windsurfing forever especially formula slalom and SPEED sailing.




Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
27 Sep 2013 3:43pm
oh. i haven't read all the info, but it looked like they have a spacer between the two battens to get the wing leading edge shape, and therefore no need for a cam to induce the shape?? might be a breakthrough if it is

not sure how well it would roll up into a bag though?
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
27 Sep 2013 3:52pm
choco said..

"..........the sail that looks like a pocket of very large tree, .................."




Choco, Nice find although apart from possibly HR Puffinstuff I've never seen a tree wearing pants with pockets. Those formula sailors will be wetting their plants too.
AUS4
AUS4
NSW
1296 posts
NSW, 1296 posts
27 Sep 2013 5:42pm
choco said..

Good to see sail makers trying new things, from ABC windsurfing

http://www.abcwindsurf.eu/index.php/materiali/vele/3199-abc-focus-welcome-to-the-future-le-vele-asimmetriche-di-heru-sails-a-challenger-sails
ABC: What is so different from traditional sails?
HS: Externally and aesthetically few things, the differences are inside, in fact wea double surface which creates a "strange" thickness on the sail that looks like a pocket of very large tree, in practice you do not see the classic depth but almost convex surface.
We were able to achieve, for windsurfing, a wing sail similar to other modern wing surfaces designed for boats and catamarans.
Obviously our wing sail is a weapon as a traditional sail, mast and boom as standard








Gaastra did this in 1986.
choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
SA, 4181 posts
27 Sep 2013 5:18pm
AUS4 said...
choco said..

Good to see sail makers trying new things, from ABC windsurfing

http://www.abcwindsurf.eu/index.php/materiali/vele/3199-abc-focus-welcome-to-the-future-le-vele-asimmetriche-di-heru-sails-a-challenger-sails
ABC: What is so different from traditional sails?
HS: Externally and aesthetically few things, the differences are inside, in fact wea double surface which creates a "strange" thickness on the sail that looks like a pocket of very large tree, in practice you do not see the classic depth but almost convex surface.
We were able to achieve, for windsurfing, a wing sail similar to other modern wing surfaces designed for boats and catamarans.
Obviously our wing sail is a weapon as a traditional sail, mast and boom as standard








Gaastra did this in 1986.


good to see they revamped an old idea
aussieboats
aussieboats
NSW
342 posts
NSW, 342 posts
28 Sep 2013 9:59am
Ka did this in the early 90s and had split battens , worked well and was nice and light
Wineman
Wineman
NSW
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NSW, 1412 posts
30 Sep 2013 10:57am

In appearance - not unlike the fixed wing sails used in Americas Cup


Issa
Issa
355 posts
355 posts
1 Oct 2013 10:50am
Double luff sail looks a mission to use, when weighted with water.

Has anyone ever tried inserting inflatable/deflatable bladders, inside deep luff pockets, to displace water?
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14954 posts
QLD, 14954 posts
1 Oct 2013 1:47pm
^ I know of guys that have done that with race sails and also used cut up pool noodles.
Stuthepirate
Stuthepirate
SA
3591 posts
SA, 3591 posts
1 Oct 2013 3:17pm
Issa said..

Double luff sail looks a mission to use, when weighted with water.

Has anyone ever tried inserting inflatable/deflatable bladders, inside deep luff pockets, to displace water?


Luff pocket bladders filled with helium
fjdoug
fjdoug
ACT
548 posts
ACT, 548 posts
1 Oct 2013 9:30pm
Aeroforce sails from San Diego sold similar sails, late eighties and actually called them....Double Luff Sails!
fjdoug
fjdoug
ACT
548 posts
ACT, 548 posts
2 Oct 2013 11:12am




1989
jermaldan
jermaldan
VIC
1572 posts
VIC, 1572 posts
2 Oct 2013 1:55pm
Issa said..

Double luff sail looks a mission to use, when weighted with water.

Has anyone ever tried inserting inflatable/deflatable bladders, inside deep luff pockets, to displace water?


Sounds like a double luff fail.
AusMoz
AusMoz
QLD
1514 posts
QLD, 1514 posts
2 Oct 2013 8:03pm
fjdoug said..





1989


I'm sure it works well with a Z boom too!
onefoot
onefoot
21 posts
21 posts
3 Oct 2013 9:54pm
Issa said..
Double luff sail looks a mission to use, when weighted with water.

Has anyone ever tried inserting inflatable/deflatable bladders, inside deep luff pockets, to displace water?




Dan Kaseler did this: olypen.com/dkaseler/Inflatable%20Gallery.htm
not exactly what you asked for but similar.
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