Cooler spring, better summer seabreezes?

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Sputnik11
Sputnik11
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1 Sep 2015 7:48pm
Was reading this today. I've always wondered if the water stays cooler for longer into summer, does that mean better seabreezes?

www.heraldsun.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes
Vince68
Vince68
WA
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1 Sep 2015 6:48pm
not a good link for people who do not have a Herald Sun subscription...can't access
Sputnik11
Sputnik11
VIC
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1 Sep 2015 9:17pm
vpar said..
not a good link for people who do not have a Herald Sun subscription...can't access


basically going to be a cooler spring.....
Vince68
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Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
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2 Sep 2015 12:10pm
From what I understand the greater temperature difference between the ocean and the land, the greater the seabreeze effect. So if we get cooler sea water off the east coast this summer there should more seabreezes than what there would be otherwise.

sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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2 Sep 2015 12:30pm
Mobydisc said..
From what I understand the greater temperature difference between the ocean and the land, the greater the seabreeze effect. So if we get cooler sea water off the east coast this summer there should more seabreezes than what there would be otherwise.



Hopefully it will make up for the winter the El Nino stuffed up..
pirrad
pirrad
SA
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2 Sep 2015 6:25pm
jn1 said..
I don't think it will be very good season for windsurfing (at least in SA). Here is why:

http://inhabitat.com/three-category-4-hurricanes-developed-in-the-pacific-simultaneously-for-the-first-time-in-recorded-history/



TO many experts, to many variations, to many theories. Was watching Landline last weekend and their guest expert was forecasting wetter than average spring for central western Australia and South Australia, light trade winds, quite hurricane season, Californian drought breaking rains, they have now nick named it the Godzilla El Nino.
Sputnik11
Sputnik11
VIC
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2 Sep 2015 6:59pm
Mobydisc said..
From what I understand the greater temperature difference between the ocean and the land, the greater the seabreeze effect. So if we get cooler sea water off the east coast this summer there should more seabreezes than what there would be otherwise.



That's what I was thinking, but is there someone with a more sciency background who can confirm?
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
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2 Sep 2015 7:09pm
I've long given up relying on expert forecasts. I think I'll just play it by ear with my windsurfing kit on standby ready for action!
Ian K
Ian K
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3 Sep 2015 12:40pm
Waiting4wind said..
I've long given up relying on expert forecasts. I think I'll just play it by ear with my windsurfing kit on standby ready for action!


I think we've known that for years. You've just got to be in the right spot at the right time. #1





John340
John340
QLD
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8 Oct 2015 1:15pm
The prediction of strong sea breezes with the current El Nino is not happening in SE Qld.

The following is some info I've taken from KA72. I've used a 25kt 2 sec board speed as the threshold for a successful sailing day and taken the results from KA72 for each month for the Moreton Bay Mob sailing spot of Wellington Point. Wellington point works in the NE, E, SE direction.

Sailing days / month where recorded 2 sec board speed on KA72 exceeded 25kts
Location Wellington Point Qld

Year, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov, Dec, Comment
2011, 9, 12, 15, 15, 19, La Nina
2012, 9, 8, 16, 12, 16, Neutral
2013, 7, 17, 20, 18, 19, Neutral
2014, 12, 15, 19, 17, 12, Weak El Nino
2015, 2, 11, El Nino

The results for 2015 are so far below average
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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8 Oct 2015 3:16pm
Hoping it will improve as we hit late spring summer. If we have to put up with drought , bushfires and heatwaves at least give us some decent NE!
Mastbender
Mastbender
1972 posts
1972 posts
9 Oct 2015 7:17am
"Global cooling!"

Who said that? Get a rope and find a tree suitable for a hanging!
Waterloo
Waterloo
QLD
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14 Oct 2015 11:48am
October/November are usually my best two months of sailing...

Today's forecast is pretty unusual for this time of year, only three arrows showing more than 11knots during daylight hours for the entire week, and no northerly direction at all.




NotWal
NotWal
QLD
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14 Oct 2015 2:58pm
AUS1111
AUS1111
WA
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14 Oct 2015 1:42pm
Does anyone have any intel on the likely effect of El Nino on West Coast seabreezes?
Stuthepirate
Stuthepirate
SA
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14 Oct 2015 5:49pm
From what i can gather, with El Nino warming up the western pacific it sends cooler than normal water from eastern pacific (less evaporation on east coast), through the indo archipelago (less cyclones).
This in turn effects the Leewin current which is drawn down from the eastern Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) area.
The IOD is also in a positive phase which it seems draws cooler than average water down from indo but the anticlockwise oscillation of the Indian ocean will draw water from the Western IOD (around India) down and over to WA.
With cooler than average leewin currents we should see stronger localised seabreezes but this maybe cancelled out by the oscillation currents coming from west to east in the indian ocean.

Please correct me if i'm way off.
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