Coming out of harness in chop

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OceanBlue64
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30 Mar 2008 9:08pm
I am having a small problem of coming out of the harness lines when there is a fair bit of chop. I am wondering whether its because I am using a big board (155lt Go) and its just bouncing a lot or its more a technique issue and happens mainly once I get over about 18 - 20 knots.
I have tried shortening the harness lines a little (I was getting a wet bum at one stage when lines were long and it was choppy) but find that as the board bounces over the chop, I would still come out of the lines.
I am using a seat harness.
red
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30 Mar 2008 9:14pm
Your not committing to your harness lines enough.. If you can sail along one handed your on the right track. Try just using a small amount of grip - even just fingertips to hang on the boom and commit more
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30 Mar 2008 8:39pm
red said...

Your not committing to your harness lines enough.. If you can sail along one handed your on the right track. Try just using a small amount of grip - even just fingertips to hang on the boom and commit more


^^^ What he said, spot on ^^^
easty
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30 Mar 2008 9:45pm
red said...

Your not committing to your harness lines enough.. If you can sail along one handed your on the right track. Try just using a small amount of grip - even just fingertips to hang on the boom and commit more
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I remember reading in a mag about being able to play the piano on the boom with your fingers while speeding along - if you can't do that then put more weight on the harness. That said, I occasionaly go over a piece of chop and go to put weight on harness only to find myself unhooked.

thewindmap
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30 Mar 2008 6:51pm
So a 155lt Go in 20 knots and chop is going to be a little bouncy :) If you're confident sailing in that kind of wind in the straps on that board, you'll probably find something smaller a revelation.

If you don't have weight in the harness, you've got more weight on the tail of the board and it'll bounce around even more. So work sailing with arms extended, rig upright (not pulled over you and bum in the water), and weight in the harness not your hands.
OceanBlue64
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30 Mar 2008 10:38pm
I felt like I was commited but obviously I am not fully. I do find myself with bent arms and pulling the sail over me. Guess I have a little more work to do on my technique yet.
I must admit, I do remember Red telling me to commit more not long after I first got into the footstraps.

So a 155lt Go in 20 knots and chop is going to be a little bouncy :) If you're confident sailing in that kind of wind in the straps on that board, you'll probably find something smaller a revelation.


The Go does bounce a little at that speed. Heaps of fun though . And I am working on getting a smaller board soon.

Thanks for all the advice guys
thewindmap
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30 Mar 2008 10:28pm
OceanBlue64 said...
I do find myself with bent arms and pulling the sail over me.


That's why it felt like you needed to shorten the lines. So try going a bit longer again so you've got room to get away from the rig, and focus on the arms extended.
evlPanda
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31 Mar 2008 11:06am
Coincidentally this was the feature photo when I read this thread:



Go out in some light-marginal wind and practise sailing no hands. Aim for 80% of the time just using the harness and using your hands only to correct for gusts etc.
P.C_simpson
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31 Mar 2008 8:31am
yer like all those guys said, you have to take the load from your hands, just use them to position the sail, unless you unhook, but thats a no-brainer, if you grip the boom like it's the last can of VB at a brickies picnic, then you won't last as long on the water, your forearms are going to tire really fast..
MavericK040
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31 Mar 2008 8:06pm
dont forget to have your harness lines in the right spot aswell! if they are a bit wrong the as soon as you let go of one hand then your gonna go over the front hooked in , or if there to far forward u will just slow down.

to make sure ur lines are in the right spot, get a piece of elastic stretchy rope stuff cut it 1 meter long , tie a hook to each end.
1/3 the way along ( 33cms ) zip a zip tye onto it that spot ( 33cms)

hook the front ( the end the zip tie is closer too ) onto the boom head and hook the other end onto the clew eyelet.

then move the rear harness line to the zip tie and the front one , 1 fists width forward of the rear line.

viola!
all set
Wineman
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1 Apr 2008 12:17am
MavericK040 said...

to make sure ur lines are in the right spot, get a piece of elastic stretchy rope stuff cut it 1 meter long , tie a hook to each end.
1/3 the way along ( 33cms ) zip a zip tye onto it that spot ( 33cms)



I just got out the tape and measured 1/3
Much simpler & quicker
MavericK040
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31 Mar 2008 9:21pm
Ahh yes this is true,

BUT! if you make the rope up , u wont have to think and do math ( unless u like maths? ) before your sesh and u can get it just right for all sails
Bender
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31 Mar 2008 9:27pm
Wineman said...

MavericK040 said...

to make sure ur lines are in the right spot, get a piece of elastic stretchy rope stuff cut it 1 meter long , tie a hook to each end.
1/3 the way along ( 33cms ) zip a zip tye onto it that spot ( 33cms)



I just got out the tape and measured 1/3
Much simpler & quicker


Tape measure is only quicker if your are rich enough to have a boom for very sail you own
Other wise using a bit of bungy cord 1.5m long with a zip tie 500mm from one end is the go. It take 5secs to set your harness lines eveytime.
Ellobuddha
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11 Apr 2008 11:06pm
Im only new and am having trouble getting into the harness (seat) What would be the best size lines to be using. Im 6 foot. It just seems the lines are too short to get in. Any suggestions - I need all the help I can get - but loving it.
decrepit
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11 Apr 2008 9:13pm
If the lines seem to short, you may be trying to get in them too early while the rig is too upright. As you pick up speed and rake the rig back the lines drop down towards your harness.

At 6ft I'd think you'd want at least 28cm, The old way of checking is to put your elbow at the bottom of the lines, and check that the boom is around your wristwatch area.
poor relative
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11 Apr 2008 9:24pm
Coming out in any type of clothing is difficult.
But as long as you have support from your fellow windsurfers you'll be fine.
nebbian
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11 Apr 2008 10:01pm
Ellobuddha:
As Decrep said, 28 inch would be about right for your height. I use 26 inch but I'm a shortarse.

It also depends on boom height, but since most newbies have the boom too low, this doesn't seem like the likely cause.

As far as technique goes: really, really turn the power on by sheeting in. This will make you lean back and therefore the sail will rake back. The opposite of this is standing near the mastfoot with the sail sheeted right out, and no speed. You need to go for it! Pile on the power, as much as you possibly can, and you'll find the harness lines right where they need to be

Some people advocate hooking in after you get planing, I don't agree with this but it's a valid technique.
25
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11 Apr 2008 10:13pm
I am a staunch advocate that longer is faster! Always have been.
At 185cm I run about 34 to 36 inch lines [sorry about the measurement unit switching but its horses for courses]. I am not ape like [some may beg to differ]!
Many faster will differ, but by adjusting your stance to long lines the rig will be more vertical and presumably efficient.
In the conditions that I sail in this works. And yes - the lines pop out of the harness hook at times - particularly when going deep into a choppy speeed run. But I am a harness enigma in that my hook opens upwards! 28 years of habit is hard to break!
Hope this adds some value.
easty
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12 Apr 2008 12:18am
Ah yes, the age old topic of harness line length. I'm still confused. All the good advice seems to sway towards longer lines. But I'm 6 foot and a bit, and find short (22 inch) seems confortable, but I have long legs and short torso. Also I have no idea if my stance is technically efficient, as I said it seems to work, but maybe I should try longer lines and see what happens. But as I said earlier, I hate it when I go over some chop, go to put my weight back on the lines, and find I'm not hooked in. Would longer lines prevent this?
Ellobuddha
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12 Apr 2008 12:23am
Thanks for the tips. Just need some strong steady wind. Had a crack today but was very gusty. (1st day on new board) Nailed first beach start - havent tried since a wally about 21 years ago. Couldnt get a waterstart but got close and was stuffed. Got plaining in a few gusts but only short lived and didnt have confidence/opportunity to really try to get into the harness. Board felt so light up on plane. That being said, I know have 12 foot arms from hanging onto boom.

I was conscious of boom height which was shoulder height and lines about a third down the boom. Hopefully steady stringer wind will assist.

Im wondering if a waist harness would be a better option to begin with instead of a seat. Any suggestions.
decrepit
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11 Apr 2008 10:26pm
I found myself bouncing out the other day in gusts over chop.
Realised the harness lines were a tad too far forward, moved them back a bit, so that I was pushing slightly with my back hand to stop oversheeting, that way I could keep tension on the lines, by pushing the boom away from me with both hands. Seemed to help, didn't pop out anymore.
MavericK040
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11 Apr 2008 10:32pm
i have my lines 1/3rd of the boom as mentioned in earlyer in this thread ,
i find when im fully powered up i need to pull with my front hand to keep the sail trimmed right.i dont think i have even come out of the lines like this. you also need to fully commit to the harness and keep the weight on the hook .
Ellobuddha
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12 Apr 2008 12:53am
Are most of you using waist or seat harnesses? Any preference and why so?
MavericK040
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11 Apr 2008 11:24pm
Waist

cos theyre easyer to hook in and out

and it supports my lower back , which used to get sore.
Biagro
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11 Apr 2008 11:39pm
i would agree with waist too. also helps my back area out.

swamp!
Mobydisc
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12 Apr 2008 9:09am
Chest harnesses are best. I used to have a really nice Da Kine one but I lost it. So I have to use a seat harness that I don't really like coz I don't like the look of it and the hook is too low.



nobody
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12 Apr 2008 9:28am
Mobydisc said...

Chest harnesses are best. I used to have a really nice Da Kine one but I lost it. So I have to use a seat harness that I don't really like coz I don't like the look of it and the hook is too low.
That depends on the individual. I have a chest harness which I like in lighter wind, but stronger wind and chop wear my lower back out fast. I feel I can go all day with my seat harness though.

OceanBlue64
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12 Apr 2008 2:09pm
I lengthened my harness lines to 30 inches last time I was out and felt a lot more comfortable in the harness. Although there wasnt a lot of chop etc. as winds were lighter.
I am not sure that as I am using a seat harness and am not exactly tall (about 165cm) whether I may benefit from even longer lines.
I have been practicing sailing one handed in the lighter winds when I am in the harness so that I make sure I am fully commited. I still have yet to master the ability to detect lulls in the wind and found myself falling backward when the wind abruptly stopped. Does this just come from experience and 'feel' of the rig or is there a trick to this? I find myself starting to pull on the boom as the wind decreases just to try to stop myself from falling in which just tends to pull the rig over me instead of pulling me upright.
nobody
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12 Apr 2008 3:07pm
OceanBlue64 said...

I lengthened my harness lines to 30 inches last time I was out and felt a lot more comfortable in the harness. Although there wasnt a lot of chop etc. as winds were lighter.
I am not sure that as I am using a seat harness and am not exactly tall (about 165cm) whether I may benefit from even longer lines.
I have been practicing sailing one handed in the lighter winds when I am in the harness so that I make sure I am fully commited. I still have yet to master the ability to detect lulls in the wind and found myself falling backward when the wind abruptly stopped. Does this just come from experience and 'feel' of the rig or is there a trick to this? I find myself starting to pull on the boom as the wind decreases just to try to stop myself from falling in which just tends to pull the rig over me instead of pulling me upright.
I'm only 171cm (5'8") tall and use 30" liines and a seat harness, but I still find the boom close to the bottom of the luff cutout.
Rig feel does come from experience. Sounds like you need to learn to reactively oversheet and adjust you weight by moving mainly your hips closer to the sail in lulls. Although it is much better to watch the wind, you should be able to sail without watching the wind when you get more experience.

dism
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12 Apr 2008 6:56pm
nobody said...
Rig feel does come from experience. Sounds like you need to learn to reactively oversheet and adjust you weight by moving mainly your hips closer to the sail in lulls. Although it is much better to watch the wind, you should be able to sail without watching the wind when you get more experience.


Agree with the first half of the comment, that more experience lets you know about your rig feel.

And that when your in a lull/rig-depowers best thing is to shove your pelvis in toward centreline of board (looks a bit like an air humping!)

But disagree with the last bit, your should always be watching for puffs and lulls, more information= faster/better sailing. I am a relative newby to windsurfing, but have sailed alot. I'm just getting past this hitting the drink backwards stuff, as I sail in a very gusty and lull-y river and learning the craft.

OceanBlue64 - dunno how much wind reading knowledge you have, but as a general tip:

-Gusts dark/ripply water, watch those bullets ripping past
-Lulls - less dark and less ripply, more shiny water (sometimes just 'plainer' looking patch of water)

You do need to have a reactive oversheeting ability to stop hitting the drink backwards, but its much better to have a prevention then a cure, as in, know what winds is coming so not to get in this position.

Yes, you can probably sail along fine most times not watching, but not very well (is this what you meant nobody?). Most experts also mention that looking forward/towards wind makes your stance better.
ka43
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12 Apr 2008 7:17pm
Got to agree with 25 here. Im 175cm (short side of medium tall) and use 28inch lines on slalom and wave gear.
I have a high boom (chin high) and its bloody great to see another sailor using a hook up approach.
Just feels right to have long lines, you are away from the rig, seems more efficient and gives you room to move around.
Ive had mates hop on my gear that use 22 inch lines and always comment on how much better the whole set up feels.
The 1/3 elastic line works a treat. If more people moved their lines back, yes back, and lengthened them you would feel so much more comfortable.
Try it, what have you got to lose
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