Clew holes

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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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15 Feb 2011 9:33am
My Sailworks sails have 2 hole height options for the outhaul..someone told me one works for power & the other control but I've forgotten which is which?
Mucksy
Mucksy
QLD
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15 Feb 2011 8:44am
When your boom is connected to the lower clew hole, it creates a slightly looser leech (trailing edge of the sail) which allows wind gusts to spill out more easily... This is usually wanted when the winds are strong enough to max out or overpower the sail.. Basically if your thinking of applying extra downhaul to depower the sail, use the lower clew hole. Use the top clew hole in all other conditions....
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8334 posts
NSW, 8334 posts
15 Feb 2011 10:35am
Thanks! Makes sense..I used to think they were just there to accommodate different height sailors..
Little Jon
Little Jon
NSW
2115 posts
NSW, 2115 posts
15 Feb 2011 2:44pm
Its a spare in case the other one rips
Its a mistake, they put it in the wrong place and had to do another hole
Ben 555
Ben 555
NSW
456 posts
NSW, 456 posts
15 Feb 2011 3:10pm
My vetinarian uncle advised when I was a spotty youth

If its the right way up use top hole

If its face down use lower hole



DunkO
DunkO
NSW
1150 posts
NSW, 1150 posts
15 Feb 2011 6:07pm
sorry, haven't got a clew?
nick0
nick0
NSW
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NSW, 510 posts
15 Feb 2011 9:29pm
i use lower as im quite short and it feels wierd when the boom head is higher than the tail
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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15 Feb 2011 7:54pm
nick0 said...

i use lower as im quite short and it feels wierd when the boom head is higher than the tail


Which in a roundabout way probably works well, as if you are short you are probably light, so more twist works better

mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
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15 Feb 2011 8:03pm
Sue easy to remember.
High winds, use low clew hole.
Low winds, use high clew hole.
So its high wind, go low. And low wind, go high.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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WA, 23649 posts
15 Feb 2011 8:06pm
mineral1 said...

Sue easy to remember.
High winds, use low clew hole.
Low winds, use high clew hole.
So its high wind, go low. And low wind, go high.


Unless you are light and using a slightly stiffer mast than intended, or vice versa.
Or if is gusty and it is more up than down, or more down than up.
Or....


That is why I'd rather have one clew grommet and tune conventionally, 2 holes is a gimmick IMHO
CJW
CJW
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CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
15 Feb 2011 11:42pm
I agree with Mark ^. In a fully battened sail with a clew eye separation of around 100mm, which seems to be the norm, I reckon the difference in sail shape between the two would be absolutely minimal. You would however notice the boom angle difference, which personally I believe is the main reason for it.
nick0
nick0
NSW
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18 Feb 2011 6:30pm
Mark _australia said...

nick0 said...

i use lower as im quite short and it feels wierd when the boom head is higher than the tail


Which in a roundabout way probably works well, as if you are short you are probably light, so more twist works better




im bout as light as they come
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23649 posts
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18 Feb 2011 5:26pm
Then you probably do want to use the lower hole........ unless you are using a softer mast or a mast with more tip flex (both of which already create more twist)
KenHo
KenHo
NSW
1353 posts
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18 Feb 2011 9:21pm
I thought it was: right side up, use the top hole; upside-down, use the lower one.

Mark _australia said...

Then you probably do want to use the lower hole........ unless you are using a softer mast or a mast with more tip flex (both of which already create more twist)


joe windsurf
joe windsurf
1482 posts
1482 posts
18 Feb 2011 7:21pm
somewhere i read Bruce Peterson's discussion on the two(2) clew holes
and there are the two(2) reasons

1) height of the person - higher hole for taller people
2) power and the opening of the leech

is it a gimmick ?
donut think this so cuz a "shorter" w/s buddy tried the top hole in light winds and just found it too uncomfortable

so, it works for him - it terms of position AND with open leech NOT too much pull from the top o the sail ...
choco
choco
SA
4181 posts
SA, 4181 posts
18 Feb 2011 10:17pm
Using the bottom clew hole helps the cross batten twist off easier, the top clew hole reduces this twist so makes the sail more powerful.
Picture of my Racing Blade 7m clearly shows this twist, when using bottom clew hole

sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8334 posts
NSW, 8334 posts
19 Feb 2011 7:44am
nick0 said...

Mark _australia said...

nick0 said...

i use lower as im quite short and it feels wierd when the boom head is higher than the tail


Which in a roundabout way probably works well, as if you are short you are probably light, so more twist works better




im bout as light as they come

I'm lighter than you!Oops! I'm not!
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
19 Feb 2011 8:03pm
Bottom clew for speed (power down low and slippery).
Top clew for power (jumping and cranking upwind).

Basically it moves power up/down the sail.

I find a very noticeable difference on my old NP Alphas. I'm surprised they stopped doing making with two clews. It's the easiest thing when underpowered to use the top clew. Leech tightens noticeably, probably about same as 2cm downhaul adjustment.
Mike105
Mike105
59 posts
59 posts
19 Feb 2011 5:37pm
Or...lower hole for Duck Gybes - makes them easier to learn and essential with bigger sails to avoid getting slapped across the face by the foot of the sail - not pleasant.

evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
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NSW, 9207 posts
20 Feb 2011 11:51am
Both at the same time if you're perverse.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8334 posts
NSW, 8334 posts
20 Feb 2011 12:24pm
Thanks! Glad I asked. I actually had to write it down to make sense of it all.. I've made a note to stick in my gear as I'm sure by the time I use that sail again I'll have forgotten!
CJW
CJW
NSW
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CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
20 Feb 2011 1:12pm
sboardcrazy said...

Thanks! Glad I asked. I actually had to write it down to make sense of it all.. I've made a note to stick in my gear as I'm sure by the time I use that sail again I'll have forgotten!


I have a golden rule with all this sort of stuff, use what feels 'right' not what other people necessarily tell you, experimentation is your friend*. Look at rigging guides on sails for example, don't just rig exactly to the guide, experiment, find what works best for you and then rig to that. At the end of the day those settings might work for a particular sail on a particular mast (the one rigged at the factory) but it may not work on yours, nothing is ever the same. Plus you have to factor in how 'those in the know' like their sails rigged which may or may not work for you.

*Obviously within reason, there are definitely ways to rig a sail that may work but are certainly not anywhere near ideal.
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