I am learning to carve jybe, but not there yet, but I haven't seen many people doing the clue first exit. I guess it could be good for learning so you can concentrate on everything else before doing the rig flip. But I find clue first exit very scary in high wind, when you flip the rig it's too hard to hang on to it.
A bit of power in the sail clew first helps keep the board going fast and on the plane. Far easier to keep control that way. Speed is your friend during the gybe. If you slow down then the sail loads up and is difficult. Also will help keep the board turning to the new direction rather than being too far downwind when the sail is changed.
Also will help keep the board turning to the new direction rather than being too far downwind when the sail is changed.
That is interesting. I always finished gybe too much up wind and then slow down, until recently when I finally could exit with decent speed down the wind ..
Proper carve gybes should have the sail in rotation thru the middle of the curve so you are fully locked into foot straps and powered up coming out the other side. When done right the sail becomes almost wightless and its super easy to rotate. To keep board speed up bend the kneees and lean into it. If you dont commit 100% you will sink the tail and slow the board. You will probably have some supurb catapults learning this but once you get the balance right it all becomes super smooth and natural.
Proper carve gybes should have the sail in rotation thru the middle of the curve so you are fully locked into foot straps and powered up coming out the other side. When done right the sail becomes almost wightless and its super easy to rotate. To keep board speed up bend the kneees and lean into it. If you dont commit 100% you will sink the tail and slow the board. You will probably have some supurb catapults learning this but once you get the balance right it all becomes super smooth and natural.
Well, there's no harm in having multiple skills & options up your sleeve so to speak. Clew first skills are helpful elsewhere also. No doubt doing the rig flip close to the centre of the gybe is the best option in most cases. My problem is I dont slide the front hand forward enough to give a smooth rotation.
powersloshin said... But I find clue first exit very scary in high wind, when you flip the rig it's too hard to hang on to it.
There's a sweet angle to have the mast/rig at when you flip, so when just right it is effortless. You can completely let go and it spins around into your hands. Practice on dry land, you'll see.
(But yeah personally, I flip while going downwind at about the same speed)
Haven,t watched one of these before, but it seems to be a strange technique with that late flip.I wonder what the Alpha was. I,d like to see him do that on a small speed board as i recon the board would stall.
I think it all depends on the board speed vs. wind speed as you hit directly downwind. It's relatively easy to get the rig to go light on real flat water in moderate wind, because your board speed will be high relative to the wind going in and the smooth water won't knock off as much speed in the first half of the turn. The better sailors can continue to do the early "rig-gone-light" flip in rougher water and stronger wind. Most of us are forced into the late rig flip in anything less than ideal conditions.
Here's a top sailor doing a late flip in pretty strong wind and roughish water. Couldn't find an example of an early flip on the internet that wasn't a duck gybe?
I used Beginner to Winner (Gem Hall) when I was learning. Some of his techniques did not work, no matter how many months I tried. One of them being clew first gybes (where Gem holds the sail for a few seconds then flips). I had two mates who watched the DVD and started doing it. So, I ended up skipping this intermediate step. No point flogging a dead horse so to speak. Use as a general guideline :)
I think clew first gybes would be really hard to do especially if you aren't strong..I only use them if I drop off the plane or not going fast enough as they as they add stability at the end. You keep the board powered up until you feel comfortable and can flip. I used some of gems tips but like guy Cribbs gybing dvd heaps better. Why make it harder than it already is? Besides usual carve gybes look cooler..
powersloshin said... that's what I suspected, clew first jybing is like 'interruptus coitus', a technique only mastered by a few selected males.
Yep. Under Gem's instruction, clew first is simply learning aid. If it's defeating it's purpose or causing a bad habit, then there's no point. But, I'm pretty sure he would have anybody clew firsting if you attended his overseas school though - nothing beats face to face instruction :)
ejmack said... Well, there's no harm in having multiple skills & options up your sleeve so to speak. Clew first skills are helpful elsewhere also. No doubt doing the rig flip close to the centre of the gybe is the best option in most cases. My problem is I dont slide the front hand forward enough to give a smooth rotation.
ejmack said... Well, there's no harm in having multiple skills & options up your sleeve so to speak. Clew first skills are helpful elsewhere also. No doubt doing the rig flip close to the centre of the gybe is the best option in most cases. My problem is I dont slide the front hand forward enough to give a smooth rotation.
Same
Yeah, as much as I try and remember such things as "boomshaka" etc. before the flip I fail to slide that hand all the way forward resulting in an awkward rotation. Not a big deal normally but something I need to work on as I'm trying to improve my alpha's.
I am not yet at this level to perform lay down style jibe because I need to keep sail hight always get power in the sail all the time during the jibe. Surprisingly even recently in 25-30 ktn wind
Possibly I do afraid to catch the waves when lowering sail too much.
So what is the main difference between gybe lay down and one with sail powered all the time ?
That will be my plan for this season . To learn this slalom, gybe
Macroscien said... If carve jibe = lay down = slalom jibe ?
I am not yet at this level to perform lay down style jibe because I need to keep sail hight always get power in the sail all the time during the jibe. Surprisingly even recently in 25-30 ktn wind
Possibly I do afraid to catch the waves when lowering sail too much.
So what is the main difference between gybe lay down and one with sail powered all the time ?
That will be my plan for this season . To learn this slalom, gybe
There's always another way to look at things and this is mine. I think too much is made of the rig flip. If you are going downwind or something close to it, there is no wind in the sail therefore it doesn't matter what you do with it, it won't be pulling you through the water therefore it doesn't stop you from dropping off the plane. What stops the board from planing is poor weight positioning, (I'm talking about myself here, took a long time to realise this). If you have your weight back, pulling on the boom, you will be weighting the tail and instant drag. Unless you keep your weight forward you cannot keep going through the entire turn. I've found that if you get this part right, the sail flip just seems to happen with very little thought or effort. Doing the rig flip early or late really has little effect. OK time to batten down and wait for incoming.
I,d like to see him do that on a small speed board as i recon the board would stall.
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Am I aiming too high??
