Hey guys
I got into windfoiling and my setup is a starboard foil x with a simmer carbon foil with a 1600 front wing.
When i cruise upright i have my back foot in front of the rear straps. but then i have to put a lot of pressure on my back foot so that the foil stays in flight. otherwise i have to put the back foot all the way back which gives me more of a lean out stance...
i put the rear stab on max lift and the mastfoot all the way back. the front straps are in the middle.
as i'm still learning it could also be a technique problem. but if i would change the front wing to my smaller wing (1250 carver), as this one does not have that much lift would it make my problem even bigger? what would you suggest..
I used the foilx 145 for a while with infinity 76 then ptm 926 with the jack plate, and had to l move it quite a bit forward. I spent a lot of time without rear straps on the 76 because I just went direct tuttle to tuttle vs trackmount and jack plate on 926.
Hard to get the balance right with mismatched gear and tuttle unfortunately, and getting it further forward helped my jibes tremendously.
I haven't touched it since getting the freestyle 115 and moving the foil even further forward.
Infinity 76
Try it without the back straps. Sounds like you aren't that far off if you are currently sailing with the back foot in front of the straps. That's where I sail when I have more than enough lift and need to keep the nose down.
I dont change my stab setup at all when i change the front wing!!
From 350 (yes that's a front wing) to 550 and sometimes 800 I'm riding with the same shims and stab and only change my shims for a longer/shorter fuse.
Trim the stab for the fuse length not the front wing size. The easiest way to see if your foils is balanced is to take your body weight off the board (not easy when you are learning) but its a true tell. Hang off your harness lines and see how the foil reacts.
Beginners version being.....what happens when you depower the sail while cruising? Does the board rise or are you driving it upwards with you back foot. If its still dropping add more stab. If its not mast track has to come back until you have even foot pressure.
You will reach a point where depower lifts you ever so slightly but you dont continue up. This will align with when you are hit by a gust you will dip but still stay flying. Thats the foil roughly right.
Look for solutions with other tuning options.
Mast track is a massive one. Sounds to me like you need to bring your mast track back approx 5mm.
Footstrap position is another good starting point. Run nearly all the way forward when learning. Use the mast track to adjust your flight. As you improve you can move straps back to hold down more power, which will make sense when you get to that point.
Another thing that not a lot of people realise is how much downhaul and out haul is required to be stable foiling. Its not windsurfing!! I found 5-8mm extra downhaul on windsurfing sails compared to a fin setting seems to work across most sails. Outhaul is also +1cm. Dont be scared to flatten the sail. It doesnt load and load like when you are fin sailing. You dont need power, you need acceleration
Thats my opinion anyway, take it, leave it........just dot try to convince me I'm wrong. If you you do I'll race you for it😂
Select to expand quotesnapback said..
Hey guys
I got into windfoiling and my setup is a starboard foil x with a simmer carbon foil with a 1600 front wing.
When i cruise upright i have my back foot in front of the rear straps. but then i have to put a lot of pressure on my back foot so that the foil stays in flight. otherwise i have to put the back foot all the way back which gives me more of a lean out stance...
i put the rear stab on max lift and the mastfoot all the way back. the front straps are in the middle.
as i'm still learning it could also be a technique problem. but if i would change the front wing to my smaller wing (1250 carver), as this one does not have that much lift would it make my problem even bigger? what would you suggest..
Big wings are great for learning so I would recommend you balance your set up for the big wing since you are just starting. In your case with a Tuttle and the sail already full aft all that is left (unless you use a jack plate) is foot straps, move those aft. Ditch the back strap until you want to jump. Also, you can keep the front straps but not use them, in other words just move back on the board and sail strapless. The front straps are handy for carrying and they give you length reference for your stance.
Downsizing the wing can change balance but not really because of less lift it is because the center of lift on the front wing is often in a different spot for different wings. In general, bigger wings particularly with swept leading edges like your 1600 have the center of lift further aft. Switching down to your 1250 carver may help the balance but only if the lift is further forward. The smaller foil is less stable and requires more sail power and speed which can be great fun but not ideal for learning.
Hi
My recommendation
Shim the Back Wing to more angle of Attack
I have done it in several Foil Setups and its very efficient
Ideally measure your actual Angle with a cheap Tool and increase by 1 to 3 degrees
Possible even with washers or a small 3D printed shim
Select to expand quotefoilklaus said..
Hi
My recommendation
Shim the Back Wing to more angle of Attack
I have done it in several Foil Setups and its very efficient
Ideally measure your actual Angle with a cheap Tool and increase by 1 to 3 degrees
Possible even with washers or a small 3D printed shim
He said it was already at max "lift". While you may be correct that he might have to beyond that, it's not a common case.
OP, just checking: that does mean the front edge of the stab is pointing down, forcing the back of the fuse down, right? Some foil manufacturers use confusing terms on their shims and "positive" shims actually have less angle.
thanks for the replys.. i ditched the straps now, hopefully there is water tomorrow. i think when i get the back foot a bit further back it should solve some issues, otherwise i have to put the front trap a bit back as the other things are no max lift..
how to you set your harness lines compared to finning? bit more back would make the front go down even further.. ?
Select to expand quotesnapback said..
how to you set your harness lines compared to finning? bit more back would make the front go down even further.. ?
Balanced which is often a touch further back than one might assume. I find a good way to see is sail hard upwind powered or slightly overpowered. That's when, especially with anything less than a full on race sail, you'll feel more backhanded.
For those starting out, it's common to have them a bit forward. As we need less sail pressure to foil than plane, not having them back far enough doesn't really become apparent or necessary. However, as you venture out into more powered up conditions you'll find that the backhand pressure can result in corresponding back foot pressure (to oppose the back hand pull ). This results in the board wanting to rise when you probably aren't wanting that.
A well balanced freeride windfoiling setup for me is basically all front hand/foot with the back hand/foot along for the ride.
