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Compliment to Phantasm 730PFI Front Wing...Xmas is coming...

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Created by BiggD > 9 months ago, 10 Nov 2021
BiggD
13 posts
10 Nov 2021 1:07PM
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Spent the summer ripping on my 103W/872/730PFI and had a blast. Wife needs some ideas for the holidays and it looks like the Phantasm front wings might be in stock soon.

Good descriptions here:
www.mackiteboarding.com/slingshot-ride-engine-hydrofoil-parts/

Question: What front wing should Santa bring to compliment my PFI 730, do I even need another wing??? Do I want to go faster?

PTM730? Scary fast?
PTM926? Will it be any more fun?
PTM 1001? Increase my low end? I sold my Moses 1100W because it was too slow and HUGE

CAN17
575 posts
10 Nov 2021 6:09PM
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Moses 720 Balz pro. That would probably give you the best two wing quiver with the most range
I've never tryed the ptm 730 looks like a similar shape to the 926 but about half the size. I don't think it would be scary fast. You get used to the extra speed. I was riding a 590cm2 moses 639 for the last couple months. Pretty fast fir freerideing hit 44km/h on it. Only downside is it's a bit small for wave riding and linking multiple turns. Doesn't grip as nice in a turn as wings like the infinity 65/moses 720. I think the Downward winglets plays a important role. Would be interesting to see how the ptm 730 compares to the moses 720.

azymuth
WA, 2157 posts
10 Nov 2021 6:56PM
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BiggD said..
Spent the summer ripping on my 103W/872/730PFI and had a blast. Wife needs some ideas for the holidays and it looks like the Phantasm front wings might be in stock soon.

Good descriptions here:
www.mackiteboarding.com/slingshot-ride-engine-hydrofoil-parts/

Question: What front wing should Santa bring to compliment my PFI 730, do I even need another wing??? Do I want to go faster?

PTM730? Scary fast?
PTM926? Will it be any more fun?
PTM 1001? Increase my low end? I sold my Moses 1100W because it was too slow and HUGE



What conditions do you foil in, what's your weight, how much foiling experience do you have?

CoreAS
923 posts
11 Nov 2021 12:10AM
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PTM 926 will compliment the PFI 730 like a hand in a glove, if you are looking to improve lower end wind speeds?

The PTM 926 is my go to for 8-16mph and flat water areas, the PFI 730 for 14-28mph and swells.

No one has seen the 1001 wing yet, it should be a great glider but as always when you go that wide the carving and turning is going to be limited (should be good for upwind and downwind).

Revision to their chart the PTM 684 is not only for kiting, its also wind foiling, I'll be testing that when its in, should be a sweet wing for 25 to 35+


dejavu
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11 Nov 2021 3:02AM
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CoreAS said.

No one has seen the 1001 wing yet, it should be a great glider but as always when you go that wide the carving and turning is going to be limited (should be good for upwind and downwind).




First, thanks for the video review of the 926 -- it looks pretty quick in lightish winds.

My equipment dealer in Toronto has the 1001. He sent me a picture of it beside the Armstrong 1325. Both look very HA and well made. No on the water feedback yet -- I suspect someone at the shop is going to give it a go on the water very soon. The 1001 should be epic for both wind foiling and wing foiling. The 1001 is close to a 9:1 aspect ratio and the Armstrong 1325 is close to 10:1. This would have been considered really radical only 18 months ago, especially for winging. Both foils should be fairly fast with lots of glide and fun to pump.

BiggD
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11 Nov 2021 4:41AM
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azymuth said..


BiggD said..
Spent the summer ripping on my 103W/872/730PFI and had a blast. Wife needs some ideas for the holidays and it looks like the Phantasm front wings might be in stock soon.

Good descriptions here:
www.mackiteboarding.com/slingshot-ride-engine-hydrofoil-parts/

Question: What front wing should Santa bring to compliment my PFI 730, do I even need another wing??? Do I want to go faster?

PTM730? Scary fast?
PTM926? Will it be any more fun?
PTM 1001? Increase my low end? I sold my Moses 1100W because it was too slow and HUGE





What conditions do you foil in, what's your weight, how much foiling experience do you have?



"What conditions do you foil in, what's your weight, how much foiling experience do you have?"

220lbs, aiming for 210 next summer ; )
Ride a Wizard V3 130L, got my Jibes dialed this summer.
I found the PFI 730/Wizard combo a bit sticky in lighter winds. My buddies were up and foiling in a few less knots.
Often foil in 18-22knots, would like to be able to get going in 12,13,14 if possible.
After 25knots the PFI730 felt a bit big...maybe I need one smaller and one bigger

CoreAS
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11 Nov 2021 10:18AM
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dejavu said..

CoreAS said.

No one has seen the 1001 wing yet, it should be a great glider but as always when you go that wide the carving and turning is going to be limited (should be good for upwind and downwind).





First, thanks for the video review of the 926 -- it looks pretty quick in lightish winds.

My equipment dealer in Toronto has the 1001. He sent me a picture of it beside the Armstrong 1325. Both look very HA and well made. No on the water feedback yet -- I suspect someone at the shop is going to give it a go on the water very soon. The 1001 should be epic for both wind foiling and wing foiling. The 1001 is close to a 9:1 aspect ratio and the Armstrong 1325 is close to 10:1. This would have been considered really radical only 18 months ago, especially for winging. Both foils should be fairly fast with lots of glide and fun to pump.


That's awesome your local guy has the 1001.
I procrastinated a bit on ordering the wing. If you get to try it please let us know

azymuth
WA, 2157 posts
11 Nov 2021 10:19AM
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BiggD said..220lbs, aiming for 210 next summer ; )Ride a Wizard V3 130L, got my Jibes dialed this summer. I found the PFI 730/Wizard combo a bit sticky in lighter winds. My buddies were up and foiling in a few less knots.Often foil in 18-22knots, would like to be able to get going in 12,13,14 if possible.After 25knots the PFI730 felt a bit big...maybe I need one smaller and one bigger




The PFI 730 / W130L combo should get you up in 12 knots, certainly 14. Perhaps using a powerful 6.5m sail at your weight.
I'm a hopeless sail pumper and can get up in 10-12 with a 5.9m Simmer Enduro and W114 (82 kgs).

TOW helps a lot - it's hard to be precise but you develop a feel for unweighting and pumping the foil and also instinctively steal energy from bumps to get going. Raising the boom, moving the sail mast back and foil mast forward also helps.

Over 25 knots TOW again also helps - you begin to subconsciously quickly transfer weight to your front foot to preempt foil lift.
Reverse the sail mast and foil mast moves - increasing the separation aids control.

The PFI 730 should work for you in 12-35 knots - although having 3 wings is always going to be better

dejavu
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12 Nov 2021 7:37AM
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BiggD said..



220lbs, aiming for 210 next summer ; )
Ride a Wizard V3 130L, got my Jibes dialed this summer.
I found the PFI 730/Wizard combo a bit sticky in lighter winds. My buddies were up and foiling in a few less knots.
Often foil in 18-22knots, would like to be able to get going in 12,13,14 if possible.
After 25knots the PFI730 felt a bit big...maybe I need one smaller and one bigger


For high winds with the Infinity 76 I use a 3.7 metre sail and put the foil mast at the back of the track -- gusty 20 to 30. Another trick (if you're not after a few more knots of speed and don't want to spend some money on smaller foils) is to place a plastic bread tie as a shim under the front of the stab to counter some of the lift of the front wing (you'll probably have to move the foil mast forward some if you use the shim). I'm 5' 11" and 70.5 kilos. I moved away from the Tuttle system over to boards with tracks for more flexible tuning -- made a big difference. For me, in higher winds I shove the mast with the i76 right to the very back of the track to reduce the lift as much as possible (FS 115 board) -- the mast plate actually protrudes just slightly behind the tail of the board!



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