Why the anger and lack of mateship in the surf ?

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surfanimal
surfanimal
NSW
1662 posts
NSW, 1662 posts
31 Dec 2009 3:51pm




It's something that's always been about but generally not worthy of comment as more a rarity than the norm but these past few weeks, I've noticed more and more anger, unfriendliness and general lack of smiles in the line up down my way and some comments on these forums relating to the alleged banning of SUP's at Angourie, endangering surfers in Byron etc etc.

WTF's going on here ?

After surfing (actually SUP'ing) down The Farm this morning, I had a lengthy conversation with a Shellharbour local and elder statesman who despite being a shortboarder, thoroughly enjoyed the sight of my SUP carving some arc's (albeit minor) on peelers and seemingly enjoying the moment with nothing but a smile.

Evidentially, this chap is currently recovering from a second heart attack and is in his 9th week out of the water. Frustrated by the lack of salt but damn happy to be alive.

I feel that my newfound love is very different to the feelings of the general surfer. There's not a lot a friendly banter, not a lot of laughing, many frowns, comments mumbled and a general frustrated look amongst many.

This is not why we all started surfing all those years ago - it was meant to be fun, hooting each other, laughing, sharing, letting a mate get the set wave.......where does it go wrong ?

I've spent over 25 years surfing the full gambet of equipment from potato chip shortboards, retro keels and longboards both competitively and socially and totally understand the frustration of big boards snaking and small boards struggling but the general perception of the SUP appears to be 'F**K OFF' out in the line-up.

I totally get it should the surf be overhead, crowded and intense but I'm not sure why anyone in their right mind on a 1-2 foot day with easy 'get back out' channels, especially longboarders, seem so unaccepting of an activity that promotes water time, fitness, wave riding, skill enhancement and general stoke.

It saddens me that ego's and a trend to 'look good' and be accepted outweighs the chance to follow your own dreams and be an individual.

The other day, surfing a 'local' longboard break, 3 SUP's paddled out. As they did, I flicked off on the inside and started the paddle back out not more than 2 metres from a fellow SUP'per.

'G'day mate' I said.

The response was silence.

'Hey bro, how ya' goin' I barked.

Again, nothing.

He then paddled around me and hooked a wave.

WTF - there's enough agro without the core group of SUP'pers being tools as well.

Today, my 'wave of the day' peaked well wide and out the back of the pack......being in the prime spot, I wheeled around and had a good look down the line, called the guy inside on the 9'0 Meyerhoffer' into it;

'All yours bro, go, go, go' I screamed.

'Come with me, sit inside me, let's share' he replied.

'Nah, f**ken go' Wahoo - I yelped.

Mr Meyerhoffer bloke rode it through, bashing the lip, nose ride thru the inside, flicked off 150m down the track with a hoot.......and I was the most stoked bloke in the line-up for sharing what in my mind is the surfing experience.

It's not always about self fulfillment and ego. It's about Aloha and sharing many experiences.

I just wish more were as accepting of SUP's as a valid form of surf equipment on the right day and generally spent a minute each day being thankful that we have the chance we have each day to both breath and surf without all the negative vibe and selfish, angry ant behaviour.



Here's some shot's of a lovely sunrise this morning. A beautiful way to farewell 2009, a watershed year in my surfing life.











firstpoint
firstpoint
QLD
613 posts
QLD, 613 posts
31 Dec 2009 3:04pm
well said,may 2010 bring you many set waves and be a prosperous one to you and all fellow seabreezers,the unselfish act of not taking a set that can easily be yours will pay off in the end,happy new year
col and annie
DILLIGAF2
DILLIGAF2
218 posts
218 posts
31 Dec 2009 1:43pm
Couldn't agree more it’s the same in NZ they call SUP 'W*nk boards' here

For me it’s about getting out on either flat or waves and when its waves SUP is merely my preferred vehicle. Surly it should just be about catching waves and having fun who cares what the method is as long as no one gets hurt you show respect to other water users and have loads of fun.
rodriguez
rodriguez
VIC
883 posts
VIC, 883 posts
31 Dec 2009 5:13pm
It's sad but true we all need to just have funit is infectious, because rude angry surfers are really not going to be happy to see you enjoying the waves with your friends, and you know they dont last in the sport for long anyway. I base this observation on over 40 yrs of surfing.
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
31 Dec 2009 4:26pm
sup ers competing with each other for waves, its at the alley now and coming to a beach near you. it's funny, the main "threat" for a wave is other sup ers, next mals and then shortboarders and right or wrong, thats the way it is, sure we try to get along, otherwise the place would be a madhouse

hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
WA, 8120 posts
31 Dec 2009 2:32pm
So the supers are the arseholes??? Seems the opposite over here with the prone surfers especially the longboard riders being the tossers.

Never had any comments only heaps of stink eye and hassling for waves which I am seriously over that is why I took up sup to get away from the crowd. Generally the supers are up for a chat.
rodriguez
rodriguez
VIC
883 posts
VIC, 883 posts
31 Dec 2009 5:37pm
YEP!!!!
hilly said...

So the supers are the arseholes??? Seems the opposite over here with the prone surfers especially the longboard riders being the tossers.

Never had any comments only heaps of stink eye and hassling for waves which I am seriously over that is why I took up sup to get away from the crowd. Generally the supers are up for a chat.


surfanimal
surfanimal
NSW
1662 posts
NSW, 1662 posts
31 Dec 2009 5:49pm
What I'm seeing down my way are the normal shortboard daggers toward longboarders and the longboarders whinging about it as has always been the case but now rather than the longboarders setting an example or not wanting to have the shortboard mentality, they in turn are letting loose on SUP'pers which is a shame.

Shortboarders, well they are just throwing their hands in the air when they see a SUP'per - LOL.

My point I guess is that the whole pecking order, ego trip is totally ridiculous and defeats the purpose of being children of the ocean.......yes, there are moments of madness and we all can get pissed at a drop in etc but tagging someone for their chosen craft on a particular day and having pre-conceived notions is the wrong approach.

While I'm writing, I also had a longboarder / SUP'per tell me the other day that this Forum is good for info but the only people who post comments are 'tools' or words to that effect, so again, an example of someone wishing to take but not give - selfish and another example of that narrow minded attitude IMO ?

I quote; "Woogie never posts but reads them".

Sad really - I reckon we should get amongst it, cut the bull** and stay stoked in whatever way takes your fancy.
mollydooka
mollydooka
WA
252 posts
WA, 252 posts
31 Dec 2009 3:28pm
hilly said...

Generally the supers are up for a chat.

Hilly's absolutely correct, most SUPers are very sociable & affable over here, & yours truly has met more afficionados of this great sport in the last 2 years than surfers in the previous god-knows-how-many-years of shortboarding/longboarding!!
However, as more & more people get out there, there's now a tendency from a few of the "newbies" to decline to say hello to fellow SUPers (& other surfers for that matter; should try it, sure breaks the ice ). And I heard that it's pretty icy out at Yallingup, even amongst the SUPers, especially if you're not a "local" (funny that, I know for a fact that none of the old crew were born there---like the rest of us baby-boomers, they all migrated down in the 60's/70's; only young guys like Taj grew up there).
A guy told me he had lots of waves at Bali recently, much to the chagrin of the prone surfers on the inside. When they complained, he said, & I quote: "get over it, surfing's an aggressive sport". Gotta share guys, otherwise karma will get you when the tow-ins come to town
We've all seen the Kook vs Cool advice (for those who haven't: www.seabreeze.com.au/articles/stand%20up%20paddle/kook-or-kool--your-first-go-in-the-surf_2965007.aspx).

My 2c & a $1.50, don't post much these days so making up for it.
Marvin
Marvin
WA
725 posts
WA, 725 posts
31 Dec 2009 4:40pm
We have a big problem for surfing (that is, not downwinders or flat paddling) because the primary 'resource' (good waves) is in fixed supply near the main population centres.

Its not surprising then that as the sport of surfing has grown in line with population and income and everything else that the demand has outstripped the fixed supply, leading to congestion.

Without congestion 'pricing' or allocation of property rights (what an anathema I know) other forms of demand side 'rationing' will occur, including queueing, snaking and outright aggro, as well as attempts to assert 'local' property rights.

The sport of SUP must engender much dread in the existing surf population, because it has opened up the resource to a whole bunch of newbies, including old fogeys like me who never would have otherwise been able to surf (I never mastered it on the ridiculously short surfboard I tried to learn on all those years ago).

Perhaps the only way to break this looming crisis is a 'supply side' solution. Allocation of property rights to developers to install and charge for time at artificial reefs? I think not. Perhaps the odd 'wave park' down at your local pool? Too costly. Auctioning of time on surfbreaks to those with the highest 'willingness to pay'? OMG Nooooooooo.

Nup, I can't see a solution. Its just gunna get worse - I'm already over the local suburban beaches unless its 9.30 on a freezing winters work day when there is nobody else about. I'll just need to work harder and get out on an Indo or PNG boat. Or burn the fossil fuel to access the remoter coastlines of Oz. In the meantime, thank god its the windsurfing season.
surfanimal
surfanimal
NSW
1662 posts
NSW, 1662 posts
31 Dec 2009 8:14pm
Thanks for the comments. Appreciate the thoughts of others on this topic as it's actually one that's really bugged me of late.

I still think that if we all just shared a little, concentrated on quality rather than quantity (and I've been guilty of going the quantity road plenty too) and embraced the 'whole' surf experience we'd have a much better road ahead.

I did assume the SUP community would be pretty tight in the car park and line-up too as it's a minority, much the same as longboarders did in the mid to late 90's, that it isn't as I imagined is a tad disappointing although the sport itself couldn't disappoint anyone who dipped their toes in (or on).

Thanks again guys, have a fabulous and safe New Year BTW.
Suplove
Suplove
NSW
201 posts
NSW, 201 posts
31 Dec 2009 8:19pm
Hi all

Look for my article on this subject and photos about the gift in a major australian surf mag on this topic due out soon.

Without wanting to drop in, I want to share the thread by comment, as I do in my article, this is much bigger than Sup. Sup is the vehicle.

In summary, great post, enjoy!

Stuart Murray
OG SUP
OG SUP
VIC
3516 posts
VIC, 3516 posts
31 Dec 2009 8:35pm
Hey SA,

The SUPers on the Vicco west coast mostly are a very friendly group!

We all work together and as a rule share waves, stoke and friendship.

The majority of issues we have here is hire boards and imports with serious attitude. These guys would still be pissed off if they won the lottery.

There are several breaks that are left to different craft ( Short / Long ) and even then if you play your cards right and mind your Ps & Qs your still welcome.

I have never ever had anything but Aloha from breezers I have met either here or interstate. In fact the breezers (bar a few sh1t stirrers on the forum) are more like a brotherhood of stoked out grommets.

Long may it stay that way!

Happy and safe new year to all.

Phill
mybrosweeper
mybrosweeper
NSW
1016 posts
NSW, 1016 posts
31 Dec 2009 9:36pm
what the world needs now is love sweet love?
Glad I live in the sticks,
Robbo
aus301
aus301
QLD
2039 posts
QLD, 2039 posts
31 Dec 2009 9:38pm
mybrosweeper said...

what the world needs now is love sweet love?
Glad I live in the sticks,
Robbo


I can't wait to get back down your way Robbo... Last time I was there a total of three people were out, just magic.
pete joseph
pete joseph
NSW
73 posts
NSW, 73 posts
1 Jan 2010 1:24pm
attack is the best defence
DILLIGAF2
DILLIGAF2
218 posts
218 posts
1 Jan 2010 4:57pm
pete joseph said...

attack is the best defence


LOL Well we come pre-armed with paddles
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