Who is the best Peak body to represent SUP in Aust

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Suplove
Suplove
NSW
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NSW, 201 posts
4 Nov 2012 8:38am
Who is the best Peak body to represent Stand Up Paddle in Australia?

I am not asking who should represent Stand Up Paddle in Australia.

I am asking who is the best Peak body to represent Stand Up Paddle in Australia.

Please broaden your answers to any existing bodies and to any new bodies that could be formed.

You can answer from your existing loyalty.

However today's thread is a broader question that relates to the future of the sport.

I have had a guts full of the political manoeuvring happening in Stand Up Paddle. I have decided to live my vision through my company Suplove and its core values, respect for the community and the environment and the joy of sharing the ocean and in who I am as a person. I run two Stand Up Paddle Schools on the northern beaches, Sydney. I see my vision in the delight on a first timers as they "get" SUP. I see it in the Suplove community. I see it in adventure and sharing waves.

I am the founder of Suplove, I sat in on the first meeting discussing a Sup peak body now called Sup-Australia. I asked not to be on the board as I started to see the political side in Australia was not in congruence with my vision. I am from a surfing background and a surf coaching background and yet pushed my company to make the naval architect designed and specialised flat water race board the "Stingray". Surfing is one of the things we can do. I am excited of the prospect of Olympic dreams, Rio has a nice ring to it. Kai Lenny smoked us racing on the Ocean yesterday. These are my dreams.

Who is the best Peak body to represent Stand Up Paddle in Australia?

matt18
matt18
VIC
534 posts
VIC, 534 posts
4 Nov 2012 9:17am
A non profit organisation for starters
I think that it is working at a really good level in Victoria, the committee at supvic are very committed to the sport, the run events and communicate very effectively. They are also a very strong advocate for the sport when dealing with red tape.
maxeaus
maxeaus
NSW
326 posts
NSW, 326 posts
4 Nov 2012 11:46am
An association of some type that will encompass all aspects of SUP rather than have separate bodies for each discipline, it should definitely be a non profit organization as well IMHO.

Having splinter groups try and run a sport never works, a democratically elected board of esteemed old buggers and some young rippers is what you want.

Just don't let Surf Life Saving get hold of it IMO.
sameh
sameh
WA
310 posts
WA, 310 posts
4 Nov 2012 12:53pm
never understood the obsessive desire of people to organise peak bodies. I have surfed for nearly 40 years and have never seen any reason to join or even relate to a peak surfing organisation.

If the objective is who should organise contests or events, then thats a different question. For surfers like me who loathe contests and find the notion of "elite athletes" the antithesis of a mellow cruising lifestyle, peak bodies have no relevance in my surfing life.

For every surfer there is a unique reason why they surf and what the ocean means to them. There is no way any peak body can represent SUP because it is so diverse. Being a hybrid sport you have the surfers like myself who sup to surf only. You have the recreational paddlers, the downwinders, the racers the fitness crew and any permutation of the above.

Trying to herd zebras would be an easier task than trying to encompass such a disparate group of people. And i ask the question again, why would these people need a representative body. There are always people who like forming clubs and all power to them, the vast majority of surfers however do not generally join a club and certainly dont see a need for a club to advocate or represent them.

This is not a criticism, i am genuinely interested in why people think we need a sup representative body and what it may achieve.
camo hosk
camo hosk
VIC
613 posts
VIC, 613 posts
4 Nov 2012 4:54pm
Sup representative bodies are needed for when the powers that be come out with the rules and regulations that govern stand up paddling we have an organized group to put forward our views on these issues and may have a small bit of influence on these decisions because I don't think joe blow sup'r and his mate from a local surf break will get noticed much when they object on there own to wearing a pfd in the surf zone.
I'm happy with the events being run by surfing australia, they already have the infrastructure in place for state and national titles to be held in coastal areas well suited to surfing, bop racing and distance racing and they seem willing to listen to competitor feed back for improving of future events as the sport progresses.
gregc
gregc
VIC
1299 posts
VIC, 1299 posts
4 Nov 2012 7:21pm
I think someone called Bernie should do it, we didnt have any trouble when Bernie was in charge of the reserve bank and if he can do that then I reckon he could organise a bunch of surfers. He could form a board, with blokes on it with names like Knocker, Trev or Kerry. That would inspire confidence I think.
Paulselec
Paulselec
NSW
76 posts
NSW, 76 posts
4 Nov 2012 8:22pm
gregc said...
I think someone called Bernie should do it, we didnt have any trouble when Bernie was in charge of the reserve bank and if he can do that then I reckon he could organise a bunch of surfers. He could form a board, with blokes on it with names like Knocker, Trev or Kerry. That would inspire confidence I think.


Would he provide the SUPer of the future.....Seriously, what has happened to SUP NSW???? or SUP Australia, no info on State or Aussie titles on their current website? What's SUP?
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
4 Nov 2012 5:35pm
I think once you sort out which is the best camera then you can move on.
beerssup
beerssup
NSW
513 posts
NSW, 513 posts
4 Nov 2012 8:53pm
62mac said...
I think once you sort out which is the best camera then you can move on.


Bring back makaha he was much funnier.
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
4 Nov 2012 8:27pm
I think Elle Macpherson at her Peak had one of the best bodies that I would be happy to be represented by for all of my SUPng needs

This will be controversial and others will pick other bodies during their peak - there is no right or wrong answer
Makaha
Makaha
1145 posts
1145 posts
4 Nov 2012 6:03pm
beerssup said...
62mac said...
I think once you sort out which is the best camera then you can move on.


Bring back makaha he was much funnier.


I agree[}:)]
gregc
gregc
VIC
1299 posts
VIC, 1299 posts
4 Nov 2012 9:03pm
I think that was my point, as far as I understand about all these Peak bodies is that they tend to be jobs for the lads in most cases. The real job of organising, running, scoring and keeping track falls to the ordinary people that do it cause they love it, no money no fame no nothing. They just want to get together with people that share a common bond and have a nice time.
beerssup
beerssup
NSW
513 posts
NSW, 513 posts
4 Nov 2012 9:21pm
Makaha said...
beerssup said...
62mac said...
I think once you sort out which is the best camera then you can move on.


Bring back makaha he was much funnier.


I agree[}:)]


beerssup
beerssup
NSW
513 posts
NSW, 513 posts
4 Nov 2012 9:39pm
Easy way to decide bop race between waring bodies at pumping snapper on dusk winner takes all.really who care who runs it if someone is prepared to deal with the hassel of running competitions and dealing with the red tape and bull**** that goes with it well good on them wont worry me body or not I still surf comp or no comp I sup cause I love it
ODSUP
ODSUP
NSW
282 posts
NSW, 282 posts
5 Nov 2012 10:24pm
got to agree with beers sup running comps is hard work
I say run one at your beach have some fun dont charge too much and just get the guys and girls in the water and beer at the end try it next year at Scotts Head or the beach house Fiji
boofy
boofy
NSW
2110 posts
NSW, 2110 posts
6 Nov 2012 11:33am
Mate I love your passion for stand up but IMO you need to change the name of your business "the naval architect designed and specialised flat water race board the "Stingray" and Suplove just doesnt sit together right IMO, its sort of like "fat chick love" we love it but dont admit to doing it
Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
6 Nov 2012 9:46am
Sup needs an association to run it just like most sports. Just don't need too many.
Think WBA, WBC, IBF, WBF, IBO, WTF,
WGAF, FMD, FFS, ETC.
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
6 Nov 2012 10:17am
Scotty88 said...
Sup needs an association to run it just like most sports. Just don't need too many.
Think WBA, WBC, IBF, WBF, IBO, WTF,
WGAF, FMD, FFS, ETC.


omg.......
LateStarter
LateStarter
WA
589 posts
WA, 589 posts
6 Nov 2012 12:07pm
I think you guys should be right with a decent Code of Conduct that comes with EVERY SUP sold or rented in Australia.

Here's a couple of ideas to get you started:

1) Just because you CAN paddle for every wave does not mean you should
2) Boardshorts OR a wetsuit, never both
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
6 Nov 2012 12:17pm
LateStarter said...
I think you guys should be right with a decent Code of Conduct that comes with EVERY SUP sold or rented in Australia.

Here's a couple of ideas to get you started:

1) Just because you CAN paddle for every wave does not mean you should
2) Boardshorts OR a wetsuit, never both


omg.......
surferstu
surferstu
1011 posts
1011 posts
6 Nov 2012 12:36pm
LateStarter said...
I think you guys should be right with a decent Code of Conduct that comes with EVERY SUP sold or rented in Australia.

Here's a couple of ideas to get you started:

1) Just because you CAN paddle for every wave does not mean you should
2) Boardshorts OR a wetsuit, never both


3) legrope
pmorgan1974
pmorgan1974
NSW
1080 posts
NSW, 1080 posts
6 Nov 2012 3:39pm
Surfing NSW seemed to do a really solid job for the NSW crew this year. In my humble opinion, as long as people in the 'body' don't carry commercial agenda's.
Suplove
Suplove
NSW
201 posts
NSW, 201 posts
8 Nov 2012 7:51am
Thank you for your contributions. I hope the picture of who is the best peak body is clearer to all :))
goatman
goatman
NSW
2151 posts
NSW, 2151 posts
8 Nov 2012 9:46am
Suplove said...

Who is the best Peak body to represent Stand Up Paddle in Australia?



For Surf and Race events that have credibility as a process for crowning Australian Champions - Surfing Australia hands down.

Anyone that went to either the NSW Titles (in May) or the Australian SUP champs (in August) would probably agree. I don't know much about the politics, but it seemed extremely well run with professional commentary, computerised scoring, good media coverage and the best competitive SUPpers in attendance.

It enables progress onto the ISA world titles, they listen to what the competitors want and seem committed to the growth of SUP.

My 2 C
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
8 Nov 2012 7:02am
Was this not discussed in a rather heated topic a year ago
Surfing Australia otherwise its like reinventing the wheel.

Clubs and members join there state bodies Surfing QLD,NSW and alike seems
the easy and smart path imo.
Scotty88
Scotty88
4214 posts
4214 posts
8 Nov 2012 7:02pm
62mac said...
Was this not discussed in a rather heated topic a year ago
Surfing Australia otherwise its like reinventing the wheel.

Clubs and members join there state bodies Surfing QLD,NSW and alike seems
the easy and smart path imo.


That makes too much sense Mac - it won't work.
surf4fun
surf4fun
WA
1313 posts
WA, 1313 posts
8 Nov 2012 8:03pm
I attended both the SUP Australia National Titles and the Surfing Australia Titles this year and if the calibre of entrants is anything to go by the Surfing Australia Titles would win hands down.
OG SUP
OG SUP
VIC
3516 posts
VIC, 3516 posts
8 Nov 2012 11:23pm
I believe there is room for both Sup A and Surfing Australia as they both have strengths and weaknesses.

The Surfing Victoria Victorian Flatwater Series has included a SUP A event and the 2 bodies and SUPVIC are working in harmony to the benefit of all.

Qudos to all 3 for making it work!

Hopefully a framework for the future.

Phill

ThePhil
ThePhil
WA
1322 posts
WA, 1322 posts
8 Nov 2012 10:36pm
Don't be fooled into thinking that 'not for profit' really means anything. Some of these organisations set themselves up like this then just pay their 'executives' a very high salary.

Just like everything else, competition is the only way to go, otherwise fat cat central.
NNSUP
NNSUP
NSW
1263 posts
NSW, 1263 posts
9 Nov 2012 2:22am
surf4fun said...
I attended both the SUP Australia National Titles and the Surfing Australia Titles this year and if the calibre of entrants is anything to go by the Surfing Australia Titles would win hands down.


I agree with Cam, there was certainly a difference in the quality of paddlers at each nationals this year. It possibly will depend on whether or not Surfing Australia or the relevant state bodies will look after the flat water racing also. Will Surfing Australia be responsible for wave, BOP and downwind events and the flat water events be controlled by SUP Australia. A lot of the decisions may come down to the insurance for the events. The SUP Winter Classic in Melbourne required you to be a member of SUP Australia and some of the events in NSW are going through Paddle NSW. Joining two groups certainly becomes expensive.

On the whole the governing body really only has relevance if you want to compete
gregc
gregc
VIC
1299 posts
VIC, 1299 posts
9 Nov 2012 12:00pm
Just to throw another cat amongst the pidgeons with this one, some of my flatwater paddling SUPers belong to Paddling NSW. They seem to do a resonable job with things like flat water stuff. I wouldnt at all suggest they could competently look after a surf event though.
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