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What's changed since 2012?

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Created by MikeyG > 9 months ago, 14 Aug 2016
MikeyG
WA, 156 posts
14 Aug 2016 2:26PM
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I've got a 2012 Starboard (9' 8" x 30"). I like it.

I've been asked three times in as many paddles how old my board is and what great shape it's in.

Am I missing something?! I seem to catch the same number of waves as most... I think.

bobajob
QLD, 1535 posts
14 Aug 2016 4:40PM
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OMG!! And I thought I had a problem with my last years 9'1" Allwave that I seem to really enjoy.
How can you be satisfied with a four year old board!? And at 9'8" you will need to drop 3 foot off that length to maintain credibility!

Tardy
5330 posts
14 Aug 2016 3:00PM
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I wish I was like you and happy with what I got ...I seem to be changing every year ,cost a bloody fortune .

ride it till it dies

SRrat
WA, 240 posts
14 Aug 2016 7:48PM
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Sounds like a 9'8" Element they are great. I am not selling mine

supthecreek
2760 posts
14 Aug 2016 8:24PM
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I guess it's like other things .... same old, same old after you've had one a while.....riding a new one is fun and exciting.
New, smaller shapes = new moves
The shiny new skin has more curves than the older models
The deckpad feels soft and supple....nice to climb on after a tumble

If you ride em' and put em' away wet, they get rundown and maintenance can get expensive....

Don't get me wrong..... the older ones are classic, and should be kept around for the special occasion, but new ones keep life from becoming too routine



SupsailDave
VIC, 104 posts
15 Aug 2016 7:06AM
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I'll boo'ed down for this. But there is probably very little if any difference between the new models and the ones that are 3 to 4 years old
Read the reviews that they put out each year on the new models. Bet they all turn better. Are faster etc etc
The only real thing is a different paint job and stickers In saying that. It's nice to get a new board every now and then. The average joe probably won't be able to notice any handling difference between the old one and the new one except trying to justify spending the $2000+

exiled
367 posts
15 Aug 2016 6:21AM
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I don't think that starboard element has changed much since 2012, if at all. I was very happy with the durability of my 2012 widepoint. seems like it was a good year to buy a starboard, they have held up well. IMHO, the big changes in surf sups have been figuring out how to fit more volume into smaller shapes and just a general realization among shapers and paddlers alike that you don't need as much volume in a surf sup as we used to assume.

SRrat
WA, 240 posts
15 Aug 2016 6:35AM
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More refined rail profiles. As the boards have been developed the way volume has been distributed has changed. High performance boards 4 or so years ago might have been narrow to help with rail to rail transition but retained higher volume in the rail to aid stability. More contemporary boards may have lower rails allowing water to sit above the rail when paddling etc.

cantSUPenough
VIC, 2131 posts
15 Aug 2016 9:18AM
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I think it depends upon the paddler/surfer a bit too. For example, I was looking at the original Sunova Acid versus the latest version and the little hip in the board is far less pronounced now. I am sure Bert had a good reason for doing that, but I really wonder if I would personally notice it at my competence level. And I read people talking about using different fins - again, I can't imagine I would notice a difference because there are so many other variables. So I think the real reason to buy something new is because your skill level, ability to balance, and desire for challenge changes and you may therefore be able to handle a smaller board (and/or a board with thinner rails, squarer nose, etc.).

colas
5379 posts
15 Aug 2016 2:49PM
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MikeyG said..
I seem to catch the same number of waves as most... I think.


If your criteria to evaluate a board is the number of waves catched, then nothing has changed in board desgin for centuries, that's for sure. A 100-pound 18' redwood Olo you would catch as many waves as a modern board... and even more.

If you take into account the kind of fun once on the wave, that's a very different picture: It is nearly a different sport, with changes in the dimensions (length, volume), shapes (mini-simmons, true longboards, shortboards, fishes, Tomos), and construction (stronger, stiffer, lighter).

But if you just catch the wave and ride it straight to the beach (which can be fun, of course!), nothing has really changed... nor will in the future. So if you just enjoy the glide, no need to waste money.

windsurftom
NSW, 402 posts
15 Aug 2016 7:21PM
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Tardy said..
I wish I was like you and happy with what I got ...I seem to be changing every year ,cost a bloody fortune .

ride it till it dies


A bit like getting a new woman

Smash1
NSW, 826 posts
15 Aug 2016 8:25PM
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supthecreek said..
I guess it's like other things .... same old, same old after you've had one a while.....riding a new one is fun and exciting.
New, smaller shapes = new moves
The shiny new skin has more curves than the older models
The deckpad feels soft and supple....nice to climb on after a tumble

If you ride em' and put em' away wet, they get rundown and maintenance can get expensive....

Don't get me wrong..... the older ones are classic, and should be kept around for the special occasion, but new ones keep life from becoming too routine





STC are talkin boards or wives?

supthecreek
2760 posts
16 Aug 2016 9:16PM
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ha ha ha, Smash, yup... busted... having fun with the ministers
Didn't want to upset anyone who is happy with their old board.

but, ummmm, yeah, there is a huge difference in many of the new boards in recent years.

Some have figured out how to make boards strong AND light

Many shapes are vastly different from just a few years ago.... shapers are pushing the SUP envelope.
rails are more finely foiled
boards are thinning out
shapes are less SUP.... more surfboard..... not blocky, thick nose and tails... square railed corks
Handles are better

Some older shapes are still awesome, like the Nalu and Mana but even they have seen improvements.
Classics like the Avanti have gotten a carbon upgrade
Big Boy boards like the Allwave are adding more performance.
Many local shapers are helping to push the performance envelope as the sport attracts younger rippers

There are real changes in some companies.... not just trendy paint.

having said all that, I think were are approaching a performance level that will level off soon.
Then it will be tweaking shapes...

and work will get serious on more environmentally sustainable builds.

ChuckSteak
QLD, 83 posts
17 Aug 2016 6:36AM
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SRrat said...
Sounds like a 9'8" Element they are great. I am not selling mine


Biggest regret is selling my element it was unreal..!!!

SRrat
WA, 240 posts
17 Aug 2016 4:41PM
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Dylpeters said..
SRrat said...
Sounds like a 9'8" Element they are great. I am not selling mine


Biggest regret is selling my element it was unreal..!!!

Didn't sell the Element but have bought a couple of other boards since



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