Here's a new vid interview with Todd Bradley talking about SUP paddles.

I'm not sure I agree 100% and it seems a bit like he's sticking the boot into Kialoa and Werner.

But it's still worth a watch.. He's like Yoda..The Grand Jedi Master of SUP..

DJ

That was really interesting , I got alot out of that and how is his house.

I'm not sure I agree with the whole dihedral concept and can't help but wonder if it's more a marketing thing..The more the dihedral the less the power in the paddle (IMO) and so no dihedral means max power. (maybe)

Don't know how you get to that , the dihederal directs the water flow avoiding cavitation and you need to remember you are not ripping the paddle back through the water but pulling the board past the paddle , the paddle travels very little in the water , so the more disturbance you create the more the paddle will slip and slide in the hole giving less leverage.

He puts a lot of infuses on the paddle lifting during the stroke.. I think I'd rather it having a 100% effort pulling me forward rather than also lifting.

This relates to keeping all your power at the front of the stroke

It's alot to take in DJ just be the sponge and absorb as much as you can , even if you don't agree with it all .I have been working really hard on my stroke over the past couple of months and it's something I'll never stop working on.

I've come to realise my 15 year old outrigger stroke is wrong for the Sup and TB just woke me up to that , the long and strong outrigger stroke is for a displacement vessel not a planing hull , I proved this last night when I did a 6km river paddle on my 9'10" in crap conditions the stroke that kept the board up an going was short and sharp as soon as I lengthened it out and tried to put on the power the board sunk in the water. Grab a small board and give it a go and you will see what I mean , then what TB is talking about will make more sense.

Rob

Who isn't trying to market some part of SUP these days ,but if todd can't then nobody can he is the driving force behind the rebirth of the sport that all you people now enjoy and some claim to know more then the real leaders in the sport .Todd can talk about paddles and tec. because he can paddle SUP,CANOE,PADDLEBOARD ,and read the water and find the fastest passage through even the roughest water.Which along with good TEC. is the real lesson to be learnt to make your way down wind faster ,so best advice is watch the good guys and most of all get out there and put in the miles and miles and get off the computer ,there is no easy way

I agree with wuduku.
What people have got to understand is that C4 are the leading force in all SUP equipment research and development as well as supporting alot of big SUP events. How many events does Paddle Surf Hawaii, Kialoa or Werner etc support? Bugger all cause they just sit in the shadows and follow in C4's wake and rely on tossers like yourself to discredit C4 so they can get sales. C4 were making SUP paddles long before Kialoa and Werner. The way you carry on DJ makes alot of people in the industry sick and you have become abit of a laughing stock with your outragous comments and misleading information. Sorry mate but you do come across as a know it all and I suggest if you don't agree on something keep to yourself.
BTW, Todd doesn't just have invested interests in C4, he is C4 and as I look out his front window over his lovely front yard (not backyard) I notice the wind has started to back off so I'm off for a late arvo paddle.
aloha
simon

WOW!! what's with all the angry people today.
The vid was all right and the good thing with something like sup is that everyone is still learning and really it feels like we are just at the beginning of this adventure. I don't think it has been around longer enough for any one to be an expert, sure there are people around that know more than others but there's still so much to learn. I don't think shooting down DJ for making a comment is going to help anything as far as i can see 99% of his posts are just good fun or helping people out, I'm sure if he did not post that vid then it probably would have never made it on to this forum.

Just wait until they put laptops in to the deck of SUP's then everyone can bitch at each other when they are out paddling.

I do agree, the best way to learn is to get out on the water and just paddle try to find people that are better than you and watch and learn and ask some dumb questions.

C4 is looking like they have good stuff going on lets just hope they can get there aussie **** happening.

Jacko

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion......like it or not.......I thought that's what a forum was all about.

Those that are here to promote various brands & don't like what they hear........too bad

Keep 'em coming DJ..............and anyone else for that matter

NewcastleSUP said...
The way you carry on DJ makes alot of people in the industry sick and you have become abit of a laughing stock with your outragous comments and misleading information.


Thats a disgraceful posting mate and you probably need to pull your head in because now your the laughing stock

Hi toadwhisperer, well judging by the pm's of support i got i don't think i'm a laughing stock and if people do think that well thats life. I am just saying my opinion and come on guys if Todd didn't re-invent the sport who would of??? and what would you be doing now??
I just want to make it clear to everyone on this site that it is not cool to play products off against each other on the internet. Take young Jakes post for example with his broken shaft, 886 people read that post and 886 people are going to go away thinking C4 did nothing but in the end he got a brand new paddle delivered personally by wuduka from hawaii and the least he could of done was get on this site and thank Todd and C4 for helping him out but unfortunately we are still waiting.................

Fire away

aloha
simon

"Fire away"? No problem you hypocrite.

NewcastleSUP said...


1) "tossers like yourself to discredit C4 so they can get sales."

2) "The way you carry on DJ makes alot of people in the industry sick and you have become abit of a laughing stock with your outragous comments and misleading information."

3) "I suggest if you don't agree on something keep to yourself."

4) "and as I look out his front window over his lovely front yard (not backyard) I notice the wind has started to back off so I'm off for a late arvo paddle."

1) DJ happens to be one of the biggest contributors to this forum, posting photos and comments of his many paddling days and adventures. Photos and details of new equipment (from many manufacturers) Details of upcoming events AND events he has attended! WTF is he selling???

2) "Sick" or jealous/frustrated?? He makes NO money from what he posts, he simply does it because he has a passion! He loves SUP and wants to spread the word. Do you spread the word or have that passion to promote the product you sell?? If you read this and other threads he has posted or contributed to - PROPERLY, you would see the true spirit in which he does things.

3) So your insults aimed at DJ were you taking your own advice and "keeping things to yourself"?? Nice mature stance for a retailer to take... You have made it clear on this forum many times that you have no respect for DJ. This seems like just another attempt to flame him and blow your horn "I'm at Todd Bradley's place!"

4) Who gives a toss if it's his FRONT or BACK yard?? Instead of your pretentious "as I look out his front window" comment, why not take a reality check and look at the image C4 have in the States and Hawaii v's here in Aus? Cwho??

Todd and the other guys do a LOT of good work over there to promote the sport and the C4 brand. Seeing as this this is THE Australian forum for SUP, wouldn't it make sense to take a lead from them and promote the product you are trying to sell instead of having C4 as this brand that goes mainly unnoticed here in Aus, Cwho?? Wouldn't this forum be a great place?? All we hear of is the paddles, how about yourself or the importer/distributor trying to raise awareness of the MANY sizes and shapes of boards C4 are making? (including the new models) No point getting frustrated at the other brands getting all the exposure when it seems no one connected with C4 here in Aus knows anything about marketing or is too lazy to be bothered! I'm not the first to make comment like this either.

There you go "mate" You flamed DJ, I flamed you.. Got a problem??

Simon,
Why do you say aloha? Are you hawaiian?

I too have been in DJ's position and felt like the forum has tried to eat me up due to a misunderstanding.

I am sure DJ was not disprespecting C4 at all.

He is offering an opinion, which we are all entitled.

People died to allow us free speach.

Especially at a time like this, respect each others opinions.

So back off Simon. DJ is entitled to his opinion, right, wrong, indifferent.

Your intittled to yours and I like to hear them. Just don't bag others.

IMHO.

stuey c said...

Oliver you might like to remember that to some of your so called "hard core strokers" this sport and the production and sales of it's equipment is a job that they rely on to feed themselves and their families, so I guess they do take it seriously.........

I do more than remember, Stuey, I act on it - that's why you will see my C4 ULI in the for sale section (shameless plug). I am supporting our local board builders, like yourself, by buying a custom Stonker.

Loyal customers are always going to be the best promoters of the available products, I guess that's why the guys from Stonker don't feel the need to get on this forum!

I don't think I would ever buy anything from NewcastleSup after the nasty comments he made about our mate DJ - IMHO, he should consider making a public apology to him.

BTW Stuey, I don't see you in that group of hardcore strokers - you come across as a very passionate bloke - I like that.

Even though dj does not surf & has never claimed to he is wealth of knowledge on this forum and I for one value his imput Another thing as was mentioned once before it might be time to split this forum into" surf, fun and mellow times" & "serious, hard core paddlers who get so uptight" because then if the post was only about distance paddling I wouldnt bother reading it Keep up the good work dj

I'm still trying to work out how exactly it was even possible for this thread to turn sour. The OP didn't even bag any products?!?

He provided a video, said its a good watch
He said hes not entirely sure about the dihedral concept and that he believes technique is the main factor
I actually think its a good little advertisement for C4

Instead of a reseller bagging the guy why not share some similar videos? or explain the new concepts are how they benefit us in more detail?

Video was good DJ, I liked the paddle technique demo more than anything!

Tozza said...

I'm still trying to work out how exactly it was even possible for this thread to turn sour. The OP didn't even bag any products?!?

Some strokers who lurk on this forum are incapable of embracing the kook inside of them - that's the difference that I think baldrick was getting at with a post some time back. Here it is: www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=42386

I've changed my mind, I'm with Brooko now on this one - they need there own forum. Us "cool people" have enough problems with attitudes like those from Terry Fitzgerald, without having to deal with the long distance racers hassling us about stupid stuff, or us hassling them about their head space.

What do you reckon Laurie? "Stand Up Paddle Racing"

maybe this should replace the first post