The ten man rule

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Dr Funk
Dr Funk
NSW
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NSW, 348 posts
18 Mar 2010 6:04pm
I thought this was interesting, it comes from the Dave Kalama Blog,

"The ten man rule is really a windsurfing rule, if there are ten or more surfers on a break you can’t windsurf there. It only applies to Ho’okipa. It makes good sense for windsurfing–you can’t see surfers well when you’re ripping on a windsurfer, and if a break is crowded it’s likely that someone is going to get run over, so the lifeguards recommended a ten man rule and it became a regulation–ten surfers in a break and the windsurfers can’t use it.

A bunch of long-time Maui SUP surfers got together and recommended that SUP surfers use the same rule at Ho’okipa because it relieved the tension between surfers and sweepers. It’s not a regulation for SUP, just a recommendation, and we sweepers at Ho’okipa have pretty much adopted it. You rarely see a Stand Up Paddler at Ho’okipa these days, but I think it’s more because we’ve figured out that there are so many fine spots to use that it just doesn’t make sense to crowd into places that already have too many people."

Marvin
Marvin
WA
725 posts
WA, 725 posts
18 Mar 2010 3:32pm
Yep, makes sense to me. My personal rule is about 5 - but it depends a bit on the break, the frequency of surfable waves, and your own capability relative to the size of the sets (quite limited in my case - but there would be excellent SUPers who could hold their own in the bigger stuff with quite a few crew out, eg. like Yallingup, though not this little black duck).
Lobes
Lobes
885 posts
885 posts
18 Mar 2010 3:42pm
Doesnt make any sense to me, at least on paper (screen).

A windsurfer is doing much higher speeds then a SUP and using that much more physical space in the same amount of time they're out there. Windsurfers are doing big jumps onto the other sides of waves blind and I can not see how you can transfer those attributes to a SUP.

Does not compute.

A bunch of long-time Maui SUP surfers got together and recommended that SUP surfers use the same rule at Ho’okipa


ie; me and 9 of my mates got together
Zimbo Reagan
Zimbo Reagan
WA
469 posts
WA, 469 posts
18 Mar 2010 4:07pm
What a load of crap (no disrespect Dr Funk) but why should everyone else be excluded from a break for the sole benefit of flappers?

Does the rule apply the other way as well? 10 SUP's out there and the flappers have to leave?

If everyone respects everyone else everything will be fine. (I know in reality it does not happen like that[}:)])

Dr Funk
Dr Funk
NSW
348 posts
NSW, 348 posts
18 Mar 2010 7:12pm
Zimbo Reagan said...

What a load of crap (no disrespect Dr Funk)




Hey mate, no offence taken....I was just posting someone else's opinion. I generally try to SUP as far away from the crowds as possible but I live in an area were 10 in the water is a crowd.
Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
SA
2060 posts
SA, 2060 posts
18 Mar 2010 9:35pm
Its so good living in SA. I havent seen 10 out at once yet, some times the waves are poor, sometimes its cold but sometimes its really sweet
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
18 Mar 2010 10:33pm
It makes sense in that if I saw 10 guys at a break I would go somewhere else ... just to get away from a crowd.


I don't know about you but I am so over all this rule making. It sounds like a bunch of ****ty kids making stupid rules for backyard cricket.

Only two rules. 1 Wait your turn. 2. Don't ruin someone else's day.

You may append arsehole to the two previous rules for emphasis if you want. Kool or kook? Don't give a ****. Leave me alone and stop bothering me with all this ****.
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
19 Mar 2010 10:03am
You need to look at the history of Windsurfing/Surfing at Hookipa/Maui - it's bigger than just SUPing. You're not meant to windsurf before 10:30 (or 11am?) because of people fishing off the beach. You don't go out at Hookipa if there is more than 10 surfers out.

It works well because in general the surfers are out in the morning when there's no wind, then you swap at about midday - surfers come in and windsurfers go out.

Although I hear the issue over there now is surfers from overseas are happy to surf in 25 knots...
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
NSW, 5786 posts
19 Mar 2010 10:22am

i'm not much of one for rules

probably because i already rule

I've got a phuck off big board, and I'm carrying a stick

Marvin
Marvin
WA
725 posts
WA, 725 posts
19 Mar 2010 9:06am
Kooks need 'guidance' - anarchy doesn't help. Perhaps rules is the wrong word.
tha dogman
tha dogman
NSW
2912 posts
NSW, 2912 posts
19 Mar 2010 12:42pm
Scotty Mac said...

Its so good living in SA. I havent seen 10 out at once yet, some times the waves are poor, sometimes its cold but sometimes its really sweet


that because the waves are bigger in my bath tub than where you surf scotty

by the way hows your new banana board...............lol.................lol............lol........lol...............
Simondo
Simondo
VIC
8025 posts
VIC, 8025 posts
19 Mar 2010 12:43pm
Option : The Ten Person Theory

Thanks Dr Funk.

When presented with 10 or more in the line-up, there's no harm asking yourself... where can I go that might be uncrowded... sometimes the answer will be 'nowhere'...
pmorgan1974
pmorgan1974
NSW
1080 posts
NSW, 1080 posts
19 Mar 2010 1:39pm
Zimbo Reagan said...

What a load of crap (no disrespect Dr Funk) but why should everyone else be excluded from a break for the sole benefit of flappers?

Does the rule apply the other way as well? 10 SUP's out there and the flappers have to leave?

If everyone respects everyone else everything will be fine. (I know in reality it does not happen like that[}:)])




flappers ?
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
19 Mar 2010 1:55pm
Would you ever get in the water on the goldy if there was a ten person rule?

You must have a big bath tub

Lobes
Lobes
885 posts
885 posts
19 Mar 2010 2:27pm
pmorgan1974 said...

Zimbo Reagan said...

What a load of crap (no disrespect Dr Funk) but why should everyone else be excluded from a break for the sole benefit of flappers?

Does the rule apply the other way as well? 10 SUP's out there and the flappers have to leave?

If everyone respects everyone else everything will be fine. (I know in reality it does not happen like that[}:)])




flappers ?


LoL thats a new one I think he means crawlers
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