The Unwritten Law of Surfing

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LateStarter
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7 Nov 2013 1:16pm
Hi SUPers,

First of all, this post isn't a windup or a pi--take, I just thought I'd share a link that is clear and helpful to all, regardless of the craft they ride.

There are more and more people spending time in the water these days, and since boards don't come with instructions, here are a few of the unwritten rules which we all should adhere to.

If everyone is aware of the rules we'll all enjoy our time in the water without the need for any aggro!

Cheers to SROSURF.com for the following:

www.srosurf.com/rules.html


LEARNER SURFERS: Do not venture out the back to where the take off zone is, unless you are capable of controlled take offs on a main peak situation. You should not be out in the lineup where more experienced surfers are as it is not only dangerous to yourself, but also to the more experienced surfer especially if you are unable to control your board or manouvres. Utilise the white wash when learning to surf.
To practice take offs out the back, look for a section of beach where you will not interfere or get in the way of other more experienced surfers and do not rely on your legrope or wristrap as a lifesaving device that attaches you to your board. If you can not tread water for 5 mins or swim at least 100 metres comfortably, then you shouldn't be out in the water. As you will need to be able to do this incase your legrope, wristrap snaps and you are sucked out in a rip that may require you to tread water for 5 mins or swim at least 100 metres comfortably.
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DON'T DROP IN: The surfer closest to the breaking part of the wave (the inside or the peak) or the first surfer to their feet has the right of way/priority.
Before taking off on a wave make sure no one is on your inside, always check behind you before taking off.


DON'T PADDLE OUT THROUGH THE BREAK: Do not paddle out through the lineup or where the breaking area/impact zone of the waves are. By paddling around the breaking or surfable part of the wave you will not interfere with another surfers ride and will also reduce the risk of getting hit by the surfer on the wave. No one likes having their ride ruined. If you get caught inside, stay in the white water and always paddle around the break or go in and paddle out again.


DON'T HOG THE WAVES: Don't try to catch every single wave that comes through. You will only create animosity amongst the others in the line up and will be seen as a wave pig or hog. If you have the paddling power or a board that allows you to get into the waves a lot earlier remember this, learn to give and you will receive. Share the waves around and learn to give a few to the other crew. Respect gets respect.


KEEP CONTROL OF YOUR EQUIPMENT: Never ever attempt a move,manoeuvre,turn or Arial that will cause you to land or smash into some one else and always keep an eye on crew paddling out. Usually when you are about to take off on a wave someone might be paddling out right in front of you, avoid the hassle or possible injury to you or the other surfer and just wait for another one.

DON'T SNAKE: Don't paddle up inside someone as they are trying to catch the wave. This is known as "snaking" when a surfer who is nowhere near the point of takeoff where the other surfer is taking off, paddles over and tries to steal the wave from the surfer at the peak. "Snaking is a no, no and one that will get you little respect in the lineup. The surfer who has been sitting out the back waiting ages for that boomer while everyone else is on the inside always has the right of way. It's just common sense and courtesy.

GIVE A YELL: If it looks like someone is going to drop in on you, let them know you are on the inside or have right of way by calling out and letting them know you are taking off or already on the wave. Sometimes crew drop in because they think you haven't made the takeoff. A friendly reminder of a shout like "Mine" or "Going right" or "Going left" helps clarify the situation.

CHECK YOUR EQUIPMENT: Always check the state of your equipment. Try and get all the dings (damage) fixed on your surfboard that have fiberglass protruding to avoid damage to yourself and others. Check the back edge of your fins, if they are sharp lightly sand the edge off them with a bit of wet and dry sand paper to dull the sharpness. Nose guards are relatively inexpensive to buy and can save you a lot of time and pain from receiving stiches because of the wound that some surfboard noses can cause. Buy one, their cheap and easy to put on.

SHARE AND RESPECT: Share the ocean, not only with other surfers, but also the marine life which lives in it. Don't practise your competition tactics (if you are a contest surfer) on those who enjoy the surfing for the life style and fun it offers. Leave that form of hassling for contests not free surfing. The sea is there for everyone to use and share.
SP
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SP SP
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7 Nov 2013 2:38pm
I read this today. Interesting read. Will you hoot next time you get burnt?

Dropping In: Get Yours, F*ck the Haters, and Let the Devil Take the Hindmost



I go to Wilmington, North Carolina, once or twice a year to visit my parents. When I???m there, I try to get in a session or two at the south end of Wrightsville Beach, near Crystal pier. If there is any swell at all, I can usually count on seeing a local guy who has been around for about as long as I can remember. He???s originally from Hawaii and although he???s been in Wilmington for years, he retains a bit of the islands in his accent. During the summers, he???s often hanging around the beach, teaching surf classes to young kids and sneaking out into the lineup for a wave or two any time the Nor???easters start blowing. He???s quite a dude. Of all the people I???ve surfed with, I can???t ever recall seeing anyone as friendly in the water. He seems to know regulars and neophytes alike and is happy to sit and chat with anyone between sets. In the self-consciously grave atmosphere of the lineup, his booming laugh seems like a reminder of some lost age or place.

More than ten years ago, I was paddling out on a decent-sized day at Crystal Pier when my Hawaiian friend started to paddle for a wave on the outside. There was another guy paddling on his inside who appeared unaware that he would be dropping in if he went. I watched in horror as this sloppy, oblivious surfer dropped in on my friend and lurched to his feet. As I paddled over the shoulder and looked back expecting to see anger and confrontation, my friend began to encourage the guy that was burning him, shouting and hooting him on until they both kicked out and shared a laugh.??? To date, I have never witnessed anyone else, anywhere, at any time cheer for a complete stranger in the process of burning him. I certainly haven???t ever done it. It requires a mindset that is perversely at odds with the self-interested ethos of the modern lineup which is as close of a depiction of pure anarchy as exists in the 21st century.

???Anarchy??? is the key term today because it points to the deep link between modern surfing and the English philosopher, Thomas Hobbes. Yes, I know, political philosophy a bit much over your morning coffee. But let???s dabble for a second: Hobbes and his Leviathan, the patron saint of poli-sci 101 and his gospel of self-interest. Drastically ahead of its time when it was published in 1651, The Leviathan has become one of the founding texts of our capitalist age.??? Like most enduring prescriptive texts, it???s pointedly vague, allowing readers to pull a range of conclusions from it, but the heart of the argument is that everyone is a mutual threat to everyone else because we all desire varying amounts power and are all roughly equal in our abilities to get it.

??????if any two men desire the same thing, which nevertheless they cannot both enjoy, they become enemies; and in the way to their end (which is principally their own conservation, and sometimes their delectation only) endeavor to destroy or subdue one another.???

Get yours, **** the haters, and let the devil take the hindmost???this is Hobbes??? view of humanity. Coincidentally, there is probably no better philosophical description of the modern, crowded surfing lineup than the section of the Leviathan containing the above quote. It???s chapter 8, ???Of the Natural Condition of Mankind as Concerning their Felicity and Misery.??? Take fifteen minutes and give it a read.

Power in most lineups is measured in wave count and it???s guarded zealously by the most able, unencumbered by any higher regulatory power or authority besides their consciences. The hierarchy established by this is skewed more towards brawn than brains. Fit and aggressive young men sit at the apex, followed closely by the aging locals growing soft around the middle; youngsters on the come-up nip at their heels. Then come the youthful but physically ungifted, then the women of all ages, and finally the weekend warriors and dilettantes. The only thing that can make up for lack of physical prowess is guile, or what Hobbes calls ???machination.???

In Hobbes and in surfing, there isn???t much compassion for the less able. Youngsters are taught from a very young age that the only way to get waves is by taking them. In this supposedly egalitarian, non-competitive activity, the only way to actually participate is by outwitting and/or out-paddling everyone else in the water. Free market, baby.

Hobbes??? solution to the state of nature is The Commonwealth???a system of social contract that, instead of trying to counteract human self interest, embraces it and uses the mutual threat of predation to force people into a sort of grand prisoners??? dilemma. It???s still about getting yours, ****ing the haters and letting the devil take the hindmost, but with a thin skein of taxes, police, and inheritance laws to counteract the most blatant thievery. In a world where everyone is trying to **** over everyone, there is a certain twisted security in turning your adversaries into your business partners. ???The really troubling thing about the Commonwealth is that it isn???t based on rights, it???s based on power. Put another way, you aren???t entitled to anything, but whatever you own or rightfully acquire will be protected by the governing power. So it is in the lineup.

What Hobbes never envisioned, or perhaps couldn???t have envisioned, was that his ideology didn???t lead away up and away from the state of nature, but right back into it. As our world groans under the predations of financial institutions gone wild, calcified and exploitative class structures and entire societies weighted to ensure that only the wealthy can count on ever retiring, we find that the state of nature and the state of shared interests look suspiciously similar. In such a place as this, the rules eventually lose their authority and dropping in on your fellow man is as good an option as any. Hell, you know he???ll do the same to you when the time comes. Best get yours while the getting is good.

But there is a third way. The lineup could be a community based on rights instead of one based on power. Every surfer could be entitled to a wave or two. Every surfer could be entitled to a bit of fun. It might even mean sharing some waves. Even as I write that, it sounds disgustingly utopian???a positive copout tacked onto the end of a thousand words pointing to some final debased state of pure pandemonium. But what other option is there besides a radical change in outlook from the darwinistic, narcissistic, one-wave-one-surfer model to something a little more egalitarian? Look at Trestles, Far Rockaway, Snapper, or God help us, Pipeline ??? those places are what every lineup will look like sooner than later. You can move to the ends of the earth, but that is only a stopgap. When the lineups are all full???and they will be soon enough???they will either be ruled by a tyranny of thieves, or maybe, just maybe, something with a slightly more communitarian mindset. The main thing keeping us from a more positive alternative is the rampant miserliness of this self-obsessed age. Counteracting that is not a question of when you should or shouldn???t burn your fellow surfer, but how you react when he or she burns you.

rockmagnet
rockmagnet
QLD
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QLD, 1458 posts
7 Nov 2013 6:00pm
Wow
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
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7 Nov 2013 6:33pm
All good stuff, but I see its only been posted the sup forum, not surfing and long boarding!!!!!!!
Legion
Legion
WA
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7 Nov 2013 4:46pm
SP, no. What if you were in the water for long enough to catch 10 waves - what if one guy smoked you on one wave - do you hoot? How about two waves, three, ..., ten?

And "sharing", how do you do that? If someone decides to "share" a wave I find I will not even attempt a single turn, for fear that I miscalculate and hit them. So that's a wasted wave for me.

Maybe in a utopian world of more than enough quality waves to go around, but in a world of limited waves and overcrowding, how can I want to share?
maxeaus
maxeaus
NSW
326 posts
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7 Nov 2013 7:51pm
The only rules I need follow are the official roads and maritime NSW www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html I have no idea what "unwritten laws" you use in WA.
Leroy13
Leroy13
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7 Nov 2013 11:01pm
SP said..

I read this today. Interesting read. Will you hoot next time you get burnt?

Dropping In: Get Yours, F*ck the Haters, and Let the Devil Take the Hindmost



Oh, I couldn't have said it any better my self You could add all the aforementioned need to develop their collective social zones of proximal development so as to facilitate the "Wilmington Phenomena's" morally desirable water ettiquette..
TimKay
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7 Nov 2013 8:01pm
maxeaus said..

The only rules I need follow are the official roads and maritime NSW www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html I have no idea what "unwritten laws" you use in WA.

So therefore you are beyond help

Mahanumah
Mahanumah
VIC
336 posts
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8 Nov 2013 8:56am
I have a problem with this post...

You post it in the SUP forum but not in either the longboard or shortboard forum. Considering you are not a regular poster in this forum that comes across as a pi$$take.

Secondly, all the SUP kooks you west australians are bitching about in the shortboard forum are unlikely to be on the breeze. Most of the crew on here are either competent or stay away from crowds while becoming competent.

Personally I ride SUPs, longboards and shortboards and I find the SUP guys far better than the others. A couple of the breaks I surf are longboard heaven but do you think everyone can get a ride? F..k no... There's usually a couple of old bastards on longboards burning everyone else then paddling straight back to the peak. No sharing from them.

And don't get me started with the drop ins (aka shortboarders). You take off only to get this kook drop in just as you're completing your first bottom turn. So much for respect and rules...

I have never ever seen a break where a proper lineup occurs because everyone is too damn selfish these days.

By all means post this stuff here... Now go and post the same thing in the longboarders and shortboarders forums. The way things are at the moment everyone needs lessons about the rules
Leroy13
Leroy13
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8 Nov 2013 9:46am
Mahanumah said..

I have a problem with this post...

You post it in the SUP forum but not in either the longboard or shortboard forum. Considering you are not a regular poster in this forum that comes across as a pi$$take.

Secondly, all the SUP kooks you west australians are bitching about in the shortboard forum are unlikely to be on the breeze. Most of the crew on here are either competent or stay away from crowds while becoming competent.

Personally I ride SUPs, longboards and shortboards and I find the SUP guys far better than the others. A couple of the breaks I surf are longboard heaven but do you think everyone can get a ride? F..k no... There's usually a couple of old bastards on longboards burning everyone else then paddling straight back to the peak. No sharing from them.

And don't get me started with the drop ins (aka shortboarders). You take off only to get this kook drop in just as you're completing your first bottom turn. So much for respect and rules...

I have never ever seen a break where a proper lineup occurs because everyone is too damn selfish these days.

By all means post this stuff here... Now go and post the same thing in the longboarders and shortboarders forums. The way things are at the moment everyone needs lessons about the rules


+1..... Maybe more????
micksmith
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8 Nov 2013 10:12am
^^^^^ +me
I've been surfing on and off for around 35 years N.S.W and Vic, always has been and always will be drop ins and richard craniums.
In fact on the odd occasion been guilty myself I can say however since taking up SUP I have been more aware of the deliberate drop in, particularly on sup by shortboard riders. Yes there are the odd sup riders dropping in, but usually they are the beginner to surf, this is no excuse I know but it seems worse when you know a prone has seen you (how can you not) yet takes off anyway.

Don't know why we bother with this type of post it's like groundhogs day
JeanG
JeanG
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8 Nov 2013 7:18am
Notice that he left out one of the rules: Whoever is on the wave first gets to keep it. Must have been an accidental oversight.
surfinJ
surfinJ
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8 Nov 2013 7:33am
Yes the surfing commandments. All new and young surfers should be taught in them.

But it ain't so joe. The lineup these days is occasionally a free for all. Disrespect from all sides.

I can see your concern in posing them here, I show up at your break, and standingup break all
these rules. I'm your worst nightmare.

Problem is, pure numbers wise, the average evil doer is predominantly in your own ranks.
But thanks for spreading the word, keep it up.
scotty100
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QLD
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8 Nov 2013 11:27am
JeanG said..

Notice that he left out one of the rules: Whoever is on the wave first gets to keep it. Must have been an accidental oversight.


tell parko that when kelly pulled prioity on him after he had already caght a barrell section at snapper last years final
rockmagnet
rockmagnet
QLD
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8 Nov 2013 11:42am
And then there are the clubbies. Weekend warriors with no rules at all.
Legion
Legion
WA
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8 Nov 2013 11:06am
scotty100 said..


JeanG said..

Notice that he left out one of the rules: Whoever is on the wave first gets to keep it. Must have been an accidental oversight.



tell parko that when kelly pulled prioity on him after he had already caght a barrell section at snapper last years final


You seriously don't understand what happened there? You think that was Parko's wave?
62mac
62mac
WA
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8 Nov 2013 11:10am
Build like a Greek god 103 kgs riding anything from 9.6 too 12.6 nobody drops in on me

Rules pffffffffffffff
husq2100
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8 Nov 2013 3:09pm
JeanG said..

Notice that he left out one of the rules: Whoever is on the wave first gets to keep it. Must have been an accidental oversight.


I really hope you don't think this rule carries over to SUPS that can catch a wave out the back of and on the outside of the line up, when others inside have been waiting and will be taking the same wave. Its this kind of mentality that keeps the newbies doing the wrong thing. Currumbin Alley is a prime example of SUPS outside getting waves early and keeping the stink alive.
JeanG
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8 Nov 2013 1:24pm
husq2100 said..

JeanG said..

Notice that he left out one of the rules: Whoever is on the wave first gets to keep it. Must have been an accidental oversight.


I really hope you don't think this rule carries over to SUPS that can catch a wave out the back of and on the outside of the line up, when others inside have been waiting and will be taking the same wave. Its this kind of mentality that keeps the newbies doing the wrong thing. Currumbin Alley is a prime example of SUPS outside getting waves early and keeping the stink alive.


Does the rule apply to longboards?

Since I only ride short SUPs, and thus have to catch waves from inside the longboards, is it okay for me to claim the wave if I'm closer to the peak - even though they're on the wave first?
husq2100
husq2100
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8 Nov 2013 5:15pm
JeanG said..

husq2100 said..

JeanG said..

Notice that he left out one of the rules: Whoever is on the wave first gets to keep it. Must have been an accidental oversight.


I really hope you don't think this rule carries over to SUPS that can catch a wave out the back of and on the outside of the line up, when others inside have been waiting and will be taking the same wave. Its this kind of mentality that keeps the newbies doing the wrong thing. Currumbin Alley is a prime example of SUPS outside getting waves early and keeping the stink alive.


Does the rule apply to longboards?

Since I only ride short SUPs, and thus have to catch waves from inside the longboards, is it okay for me to claim the wave if I'm closer to the peak - even though they're on the wave first?


if you think I'm going to say yay or nay, like its black and white, you must think I'm as stupid as you look. Ill leave it up to you regarding what you choose to do or not to do in your given surf environment.

IMO the first on the wave rule is a bit of joke and clearly contradicts the inside rule.
WinginIt
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8 Nov 2013 6:05pm
husq2100 said..


JeanG said..


husq2100 said..


JeanG said..

Notice that he left out one of the rules: Whoever is on the wave first gets to keep it. Must have been an accidental oversight.



I really hope you don't think this rule carries over to SUPS that can catch a wave out the back of and on the outside of the line up, when others inside have been waiting and will be taking the same wave. Its this kind of mentality that keeps the newbies doing the wrong thing. Currumbin Alley is a prime example of SUPS outside getting waves early and keeping the stink alive.



Does the rule apply to longboards?

Since I only ride short SUPs, and thus have to catch waves from inside the longboards, is it okay for me to claim the wave if I'm closer to the peak - even though they're on the wave first?



if you think I'm going to say yay or nay, like its black and white, you must think I'm as stupid as you look. Ill leave it up to you regarding what you choose to do or not to do in your given surf environment.

IMO the first on the wave rule is a bit of joke and clearly contradicts the inside rule.


I am really interested to hear other peoples' views on this. I always thought it was just closest to the peak and even if you were on first out wide, you had to get off if someone else came along from closer to the peak. Be good to know what the general and respectful practice is.
JeanG
JeanG
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8 Nov 2013 4:27pm
husq2100 said..

JeanG said..

husq2100 said..

JeanG said..

Notice that he left out one of the rules: Whoever is on the wave first gets to keep it. Must have been an accidental oversight.


I really hope you don't think this rule carries over to SUPS that can catch a wave out the back of and on the outside of the line up, when others inside have been waiting and will be taking the same wave. Its this kind of mentality that keeps the newbies doing the wrong thing. Currumbin Alley is a prime example of SUPS outside getting waves early and keeping the stink alive.


Does the rule apply to longboards?

Since I only ride short SUPs, and thus have to catch waves from inside the longboards, is it okay for me to claim the wave if I'm closer to the peak - even though they're on the wave first?


if you think I'm going to say yay or nay, like its black and white, you must think I'm as stupid as you look. Ill leave it up to you regarding what you choose to do or not to do in your given surf environment.

IMO the first on the wave rule is a bit of joke and clearly contradicts the inside rule.


Of course I knew that you wouldn't give a straight answer to the question: Your real answer is that the SUP is always wrong, no matter what.

The SUP-longboarder conflict is identical to the lonboarder-shortboarder conflict. Which is identical to the shortboarder-bodyboarder conflict. Longboarders are sour, they've been happily hogging all the waves for decades. Only now do they get to experience what the rest of us have felt all along.

Fortunately, SUP'ers are more gracious watermen than most longboarders: We tend to be extremely respectful, pass on tons of waves, and go well beyond what surfing etiquette calls for. It is our own responsibility to educate newbies about respect and kindness and aloha. You can help if you want, or you can toss sarcasm and acid around, poisoning the waters.

Wave hogs of all stripes - SUP. longboard, SB, bodyboard - need to show more respect to their fellow man (and woman). On that we agree. It's how you deal with those hogs that shows what kind of person you are.
maxeaus
maxeaus
NSW
326 posts
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8 Nov 2013 7:42pm
Well said JeanG.
buccaneer
buccaneer
WA
60 posts
WA, 60 posts
8 Nov 2013 5:23pm
Exactly JeanG...

SUP's have redefined the 'take off' zone...as longboarders did 20 years ago.

Certain breaks (due to their particular features) have become the haunt of longboarders (after over-running the short boarders) who now express angst at SUP's for doing to them exactly what they did to shortboarders decades ago.
Now that's karma!

Riders that can't take off where SUPs can claim the 'inside' rule as their weapon as they sit directly in line with the SUP take off zone, whinging about getting buzzed and having 'their' waves taken.
SUP's claim the 'first to their feet rule' as their primary means of defence.

The rules obviously are contradictory and flawed as they don't take into account the type of break or differences in equipment being used.

In the end; all these 'slippery slopes' lead to the simple fact (idealistic as it is), that surfers should all try to enjoy the session and appreciate the gift. If one can't do that, why does one bother to surf in crowded breaks?
It's puzzling why people head out for a surf to enjoy some recreation, but spend their time on edge, angry and envious of others success in riding waves.
If one isn't getting any waves, try removing the plank from your own eye first before blaming everybody else!
Maybe a karmic adjustment is what's required to see Huey send you through a few?

Happy paddling!!


SP
SP
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SP SP
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8 Nov 2013 7:41pm
JeanG said..

husq2100 said..

JeanG said..

husq2100 said..

JeanG said..

Notice that he left out one of the rules: Whoever is on the wave first gets to keep it. Must have been an accidental oversight.


I really hope you don't think this rule carries over to SUPS that can catch a wave out the back of and on the outside of the line up, when others inside have been waiting and will be taking the same wave. Its this kind of mentality that keeps the newbies doing the wrong thing. Currumbin Alley is a prime example of SUPS outside getting waves early and keeping the stink alive.


Does the rule apply to longboards?

Since I only ride short SUPs, and thus have to catch waves from inside the longboards, is it okay for me to claim the wave if I'm closer to the peak - even though they're on the wave first?


if you think I'm going to say yay or nay, like its black and white, you must think I'm as stupid as you look. Ill leave it up to you regarding what you choose to do or not to do in your given surf environment.

IMO the first on the wave rule is a bit of joke and clearly contradicts the inside rule.


Of co Longboarders are sour, they've been happily hogging all the waves for decades. Only now do they get to experience what the rest of us have felt all along.

Fortunately, SUP'ers are more gracious watermen than most longboarders: We tend to be extremely respectful, pass on tons of waves, and go well beyond what surfing etiquette calls for. It is our own responsibility to educate newbies about respect and kindness and aloha. You can help if you want, or you can toss sarcasm and acid around, poisoning the waters.

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speak for yourself mate..... To me it....



husq2100
husq2100
QLD
2031 posts
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9 Nov 2013 9:06am
JeanG said..

husq2100 said..

JeanG said..

husq2100 said..

JeanG said..

Notice that he left out one of the rules: Whoever is on the wave first gets to keep it. Must have been an accidental oversight.


I really hope you don't think this rule carries over to SUPS that can catch a wave out the back of and on the outside of the line up, when others inside have been waiting and will be taking the same wave. Its this kind of mentality that keeps the newbies doing the wrong thing. Currumbin Alley is a prime example of SUPS outside getting waves early and keeping the stink alive.


Does the rule apply to longboards?

Since I only ride short SUPs, and thus have to catch waves from inside the longboards, is it okay for me to claim the wave if I'm closer to the peak - even though they're on the wave first?


if you think I'm going to say yay or nay, like its black and white, you must think I'm as stupid as you look. Ill leave it up to you regarding what you choose to do or not to do in your given surf environment.

IMO the first on the wave rule is a bit of joke and clearly contradicts the inside rule.


Of course I knew that you wouldn't give a straight answer to the question: Your real answer is that the SUP is always wrong, no matter what.

The SUP-longboarder conflict is identical to the lonboarder-shortboarder conflict. Which is identical to the shortboarder-bodyboarder conflict. Longboarders are sour, they've been happily hogging all the waves for decades. Only now do they get to experience what the rest of us have felt all along.

Fortunately, SUP'ers are more gracious watermen than most longboarders: We tend to be extremely respectful, pass on tons of waves, and go well beyond what surfing etiquette calls for. It is our own responsibility to educate newbies about respect and kindness and aloha. You can help if you want, or you can toss sarcasm and acid around, poisoning the waters.

Wave hogs of all stripes - SUP. longboard, SB, bodyboard - need to show more respect to their fellow man (and woman). On that we agree. It's how you deal with those hogs that shows what kind of person you are.


Get over yourself JeanG, I actually only ride SUP (not by choice mind you). You just lost all creditability by using the term Watermen, and stating SUP'ers are more gracious than other type of board users. WHAT A LOAD OF SELF PROMOTING BS. Its never the craft but the person on it. I can tell you one thing for certain, come surf Currumbin Alley and see how gracious many of the SUP crew are there. Yes some are beginners, but you can only use that excuse for so long.
WA71
WA71
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9 Nov 2013 11:11am
Alot of soul searching going in this thread
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9 Nov 2013 12:08pm




GizzieNZ
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9 Nov 2013 3:11pm
WA71 said..

Alot of soul searching going in this thread


I find it quite exciting.......many different opinions which is great

even doggie appeared
husq2100
husq2100
QLD
2031 posts
QLD, 2031 posts
9 Nov 2013 8:22pm
chrispy for the win!
boardbumps
boardbumps
NSW
698 posts
NSW, 698 posts
11 Nov 2013 9:32am
I call my SUP boards, Short Boarders Revenge
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