www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/PFDs-The-Doctor-Race/
See last post from event sponsor Ian Grose
See you in Perth!

I have a spare inflatable if anyone needs one, pm me first in best dressed....

Is it a blonde or brunette inflatable Rog? How "used" are we talking?

Benno87 said..
Is it a blonde or brunette inflatable Rog? How "used" are we talking?

Shes a beauty low mileage and can be Blonde brunette or Red Head...

Any chance someone can confirm that this jacket is acceptable...

Yep I saw that 50N but looking at Ian's comment above seems like that is acceptable...???

There is no where on the website that says you need a 150N type 1 pfd, it in fact says "???All paddlers must wear type 2 or type 3 PFD???s (lifejackets).No bum bag style PFD???s permitted.". ISO 12402-5 is the international standard for Type 3 PFD (the Australian standard is a local companies copy/take on this standard). Most states of Australia state in their regs that THE standard is to be the appropriate Australian standard or the equivalent International standard e.g. UC for the US and ISO for most of the rest of the world. Apparently Australia is such a large portion of the population and area of this planet that we need to create/copy our own standards and charge for them.

This is a cut and paste of the rules from the Ocean Paddler website

oceanpaddler.com/events/the-doctor/rules-equipment/


Rules & Equipment
All competitors must abide by the following rules:

All paddlers must wear type 2 or type 3 PFD???s (lifejackets).No bum bag style PFD???s permitted.
All paddlers must be attached to their craft via a safety leash.
All paddlers must have at least one flare attached to their craft/person.
All paddlers must attend the pre event briefing held immediately prior to race start.
All paddlers must assist other competitors in difficulty.
Any competitors with private escort boats must be operated by registered certified skippers. NOTE: We are required by water way authorities to notify them of all private escort boats. Please email or phone us with the name and phone number of the skipper.

Jonathan,

Either of the ones you have are acceptable.

The rules as per the website are correct for all but the SUP division, it wasn't changed on the website as this happened recently and didn't wish to confuse other paddlers.

We have obtained an exemption for SUP, to be able to use inflatables Level 150 (or PFD 2 or 3 as per race rules).

Also the event is an exempt from DOT to not have to have the PFD 1 as normally required in open waters


It does get confusing as it a transitional period from the old PFD 1, 2 and 3 to the newer Level 150, 100 and 50.

So in summary in SUP division it is possible to use "Inflatable Level 150 or non inflatable PFD 2 or 3 that are to Australian Standards"

Sorry I wasn't clearer in my previous post.

Any more specific queries please PM.



Ian

Sorry I my post wasn't clear. I was only referring to INFLATABLE PFDs. The only accepted INFLATABLE PFD is a 150N according to WA DoT - see the link on my previous post. Ian has explained it pretty clearly above.
Most SUP paddlers prefer to use Inflatable PFD type 1 (150N). We have asked the. Doctor guys to take onboard this feedback which they have. If you prefer to use a SOLID PFD 2 or 3, that's great! - everyone has a choice.

Note - (I'm pretty sure no one actually makes an inflatable PFD 50N or 100N - the jacket in GSS's photo was actually a SOLID 50N which is accepted as a SOLID PFD type 3).

Goochi said..


Note - (I'm pretty sure no one actually makes an inflatable PFD 50N or 100N - the jacket in GSS's photo was actually a SOLID 50N which is accepted as a SOLID PFD type 3).

There is this ONYX one which was classified as a Type III which makes it the equivalent of 50N...

If anyone is chasing a 'Bumbag' style PFD 1 for the Doctor, I'll have limited new stock available of the 'Ultra' brand. This is a Type 1 (150N) manual inflatable PFD that is fully certified to Australian Standard 4758.1, and is approved for this years' Doctor. Price to competitors is $90. I will also have 'RFD' waterproof orange smoke flares available for $15. Please PM me if you require one or both of the above for the weekend.

NOPFD4SUP said..

Hi Everyone,
So I've done some calling around. QLD Recreational Maritime put me onto Goldcoast Waterways Authority after not being able to give me an answer. Both GCWA and NSW Roads & Maritime said that there is definitely no need for PFD's in Estuaries and rivers etc.

However VIC requires a pfd to be warn at all times including Estuaries and rivers etc, unless 400m from an open surf beach.

There needs to be a national pfd standard.

I have heard of authorities giving sup riders a hard time in the brunswick river last weekend. this seem contradictory of the information just given to me above by NSW Roads & Maritime.

Could everyone go here to support NOPFD4SUP
https://www.facebook.com/NoPFD4

Thanks

Bolded part is incorrect.

Victorian regulations for SUP are as follows:

- if you are SUP?ing within 400 metres of shore on coastal, enclosed or inland waters and you are 10 years of age or older, you are not legally required to carry any specific safety equipment.

- however, children less than 10 years old must wear a PFD type 1, PFD type 2 or PFD type 3 at all times.

- you must wear a PFD type 1, a PFD type 2 or a PFD type 3 if at any time you are more than 400 metres from shore. This requirement applies whether you are paddling on coastal, enclosed or inland waters.

- if you are in coastal waters and are more than 2 nautical miles from the coast, in addition to the wearing of a PFD you must carry: (i) a compass, ?(ii) 2 hand-held orange smoke signals, ?(iii) 2 hand-held red distress flares, ?(iv) a buoyant waterproof torch, and ?(v) an EPIRB that complies with AS/NZ 4280.1:2003, is registered with the Australian Maritime Safety Authority and has an up-to-date registration sticker.

As for a national PFD standard, you are essentially calling for the abolition of the federation of Australia, with states no longer having the right to legislate their own laws.

The Victorian Department of Transport held an open consultation process 2 years ago before bringing in the regulations. Everyone had an opportunity to have a say and we are largely happy with the way things unfolded. If anyone wants to rattle the cage in Victoria and demand PFDs be removed from the regulations, you may just find the department instigating regulations that are less favourable. Better the devil you know.