G'day DJ
I got Bill Boyum to film us guys doing a Maliko run for part of the scenes in my Low Budget I mean no Budget LOW PRESSURE PRODUTION Presentation MAGIC PADDLE A FIJIAN ADVENTURE.(great wipeout scene don't you think) We had bulk fun doing the scenes its true B Grade acting every time we'd say a line in a scene we'd just start laughing (too funny). Of to Fiji in the morning to finish of the rest of the movie.
see ya in da ocean
DW

ohhh the WITHDRAWLS!!!!!! send me BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dj,

thats the first vid I have seen that shows the paddlers surfing along the wave / bump face. They appear to be tacking back and forth.

Most of the others I have seen show the paddlers trying to go in what appears to be a very straight line.

I would assume that with the right board and fin you would get enormous drive and run along the face and what you loose in point to point distance you overtake in speed.

How do you paddle, use the rudder, move back and forth etc?

Or can the rudders be set so that they will give you a constant angle without standing on them?

Phill

OG SUP said...

Dj,

thats the first vid I have seen that shows the paddlers surfing along the wave / bump face. They appear to be tacking back and forth.

Most of the others I have seen show the paddlers trying to go in what appears to be a very straight line.

I would assume that with the right board and fin you would get enormous drive and run along the face and what you loose in point to point distance you overtake in speed.

How do you paddle, use the rudder, move back and forth etc?

Or can the rudders be set so that they will give you a constant angle without standing on them?

Phill

No.. the rudder will spring back to the straight/neutral position once you take your foot off it.

Phill these long boards have so much glide and speed and you will just poke into the back of the wave in front if you don't turn left or right.. It's often quicker overall to zig-zag rather than going dead straight.. Also these big boards with steering can be ridden from the rudder using position 90% of the time.. Even when on a runner and there's only a need to get back when you're taking a drop or going really fast and once back on the tail they turn like longboard.. You normally use the rudder just to get the board turned and then let it go until you need to change direction again.. I will often leave my left foots toes on the edge of the steering arm and my right foot moves from a parallel stance to a off-set or surfing stance.. I think with the smaller boards like the 14's you need to move around the board a little more to get the most out of them.

DJ

OG SUP said...

Dj,

thats the first vid I have seen that shows the paddlers surfing along the wave / bump face. They appear to be tacking back and forth.

Most of the others I have seen show the paddlers trying to go in what appears to be a very straight line.

I would assume that with the right board and fin you would get enormous drive and run along the face and what you loose in point to point distance you overtake in speed.

How do you paddle, use the rudder, move back and forth etc?

Or can the rudders be set so that they will give you a constant angle without standing on them?

Phill

also phill, while it looks like they are just trying to catch a swell, they are looking at the trough or bump in front of them, hence when they are on a runner, they are looking for the next likely trough or bump to link up onto. these troughs or bumps are more than likely to not be directly in front so that why they zig zag. after a while you will read a small lump that will turn into a trough or bump. some times you even have to slow down a bit to wait for it to form up or sometimes you cut your loses and look elsewhere. its mostly good to keep some kind of board speed up even if it means taking the half runners. personally even on a half runner, i'm looking to link onto a good one while i have some board speed
i know one thing, it's good to actually be shown the way out there and the more runs you do the better you get at reading them and using your energy to the best advantage
cheers

Interesting stuff larry.

Someone should tell Bill to use Vimeo so we don't keep losing the sound track..

DJ

Hey Simon.. You'd probably end up with something like the new SIC Bullet.

Comparing the F16 and the Bullet reminds me of comparing the Naish 14 and the 17.

DJ

DavidJohn said...

Hey Simon.. You'd probably end up with something like the new SIC Bullet.

Comparing the F16 and the Bullet reminds me of comparing the Naish 14 and the 17.

DJ

well that's interesting. the dc's are designed on those theorys pretty much. the thinking being epic dw conditions in our part of the country just isn't going to happen most times.my blue dc 16 is amazing at picking runners(i'm finding the 16 foot just that bit more agile- more get up and go). we did a run in less than ten knots last sunday and had a ball. this board has a reduced displacement and a slightly rolled bottom and i had a flatter tail area than normal done with some tucked edges to give some good control when i do step back and it also surfs really well. dropped the big dehedral like on the yellow and red 17 back as i felt it was too much to handle if conditions weren't ideal(dale took that board back and loves it). i've mucked around on a few dw boards with dale, but this ones a keeper. it went unreal for me even in the byron upwind race.
cheers

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chimes and concaves.found the concaves sort of sucked the board down, boards without went better. the chimes need to be not much. a big chime just gives you less supported standing area/ width.

cmc's board is very similiar to your photo cheers

laceys lane said...

MickV said...

Have you got any pics of your 16 footer Lacey.

no, never bother anymore, cop to much s###

Thats too bad would've liked to see it.

OG SUP said...

Thanks for your thoughts Lacey and DJ appreciate your help.

Lacey its unfortunate that your not posting pics etc as like MickV I thought the R&D test pilot feedback was invaluable to many just starting out, or trying to progress.

Forget the sh1t and post a pic anyway, come on you know you want to

Phill

Why should we do all of this R&D over here for everyone else to copy? Dale has put a huge amount of R&D into developing these boards, as have the other local shapers. Go and support these guys and buy their products - otherwise they will not be around for very long.

Great thread, my board even made it onto the forum. You know those concaves excel in certain conditions, in some they require adjustments to make the board lift. The board likes a light bump to travel over.

Mike says above about supporting local shapers.

One funny thing I noticed. In the SIC vid above. The 2 x Lahui Kai boards behind him, a green and a red one. More than I have seen at home and there factory is just down the road. Birsey even told me they sell almost all of their boards to overseas and they are flat out, Surftech has even released Jamies 12'6 Lahui Kai and it is selling very well. Being Australian means something........

It's always confused me why we as Aussies feel that we are inferior to Americans or in this case Hawaiians. Confusing because I know the Hawaiians and Americans do not see us that way, they see us as real competition in any water sport. SUP racing is just in its infancy here.

This is not a anti import sentiment or anything like that just a mindset that I see so often from Music, Television all of the way to our sporting equipment and something that I have never been able to understand. Why do I need to look up to the USA when I am so proud of our artists, designers and athletes right here???

Can anyone help me?

It could be the Brand thing , people like to associate themselves with big brand names , and for some products their is good reason too.Could be price but i really dont know how local product compares price wise when it comes to downwind boards.Also could be the safety , buying a product that is tried and tested has appeal.

But my next board will either be local Dc or Lahua Kai , but in saying that im interested in the new PSH boards.Why i cant really say , other than the Brand.

Its a pity guys like Dale dont post on forums , maybee their could be an industry thread where they can talk about their designs , so those who think they are just pimping dont have to read.I for one would love to get their input.

sorry, its chines. i just heard as chimes- don't listen hard enough to me