nice quiver of weapons of mass destruction

so loving the new nuclear arms race that is going on

dale was rippin the bank next to the comp at malfunction

nice work

DavidJohn said...

I'll take that big green one at the bottom of the picture.. .. Thanks.

DJ

Lol thats mine DJ the one i reckon is not that fast on the flat , it does catch runners easily though , and it is for sale.

teatrea said...

DavidJohn said...

I'll take that big green one at the bottom of the picture.. .. Thanks.

DJ

Lol thats mine DJ the one i reckon is not that fast on the flat , it does catch runners easily though , and it is for sale.

Teatree your board looks to have quite a different nose to the others or is that just the angle

Yeah there have been huge changes in design, the one man outrigger style nose lets it pearl on runners but still surfaces without catching, the dihedral on the deck causes the Hydrodynamics to change and the nose gets forced up and not sucked down like the traditional turned up nose.

The tail , rails and double concave changes and are all very different as well but a bit over my head , Dale or Lacey will have to explian those.

Thanks for the pic Pete.

Rob

husq2100 said...

its a good picture to see the difference between the old and new. especially the nose desgin. Is it just a coincidence or did those noses change when the Lahui Kai boards cleaned up at the BOP?

Funny you should say that as the Lahui Kai noses look nothing like that.

Dales boards have a vee in the nose on the deck much the same a prone paddle race board.

The Lahui Kai boards were more of a standard displacement nose and they have changed considerably also since the BOP to be more surfable and controllable.

IMO Dale and Lahui Kai are heading towards the same direction from opposite ends. It's a fast design that can deal with Flat and Bump, just like an ocean ski or a OC1. They look like less nose rocker but just as was learnt in the other craft there are 2 ends to an ocean craft. I am no expert but have quizzed the smartest of designers and they believe the tail rocker design to be more important than the nose. Rocker apex points with wide points etc are where most of the research will be conducted.

Piros said...

husq2100 said...
its a good picture to see the difference between the old and new. especially the nose desgin. Is it just a coincidence or did those noses change when the Lahui Kai boards cleaned up at the BOP?

I can see where you are going with this but if you put the Lahui Kai 12-6 , 14 or 17 next the same DC's they are not even remotely close.

I paddled Candice Lahui Kai 12-6 prior to the race the only similarity between that and the DC was they were both 12-6,the Lahui Kai was a pin tail the DC is a square tail , the Lahui Kai nose was flat on the deck , the DC had a large dihedral on the nose , rails , concaves & plan shape all completely different.

The nose shape that has come into Stand Up boards now is nothing new it's been around in 18 foot prone boards for years. Dick Van Stralen was the one that introduced it and you'll even see it nipper boards.

Rob

Mr Pirie, I think we just agreed.......

Piros said...

husq2100 said...
its a good picture to see the difference between the old and new. especially the nose desgin. Is it just a coincidence or did those noses change when the Lahui Kai boards cleaned up at the BOP?

I can see where you are going with this but if you put the Lahui Kai 12-6 , 14 or 17 next the same DC's they are not even remotely close.

I paddled Candice Lahui Kai 12-6 prior to the race the only similarity between that and the DC was they were both 12-6,the Lahui Kai was a pin tail the DC is a square tail , the Lahui Kai nose was flat on the deck , the DC had a large dihedral on the nose , rails , concaves & plan shape all completely different.

The nose shape that has come into Stand Up boards now is nothing new it's been around in 18 foot prone boards for years. Dick Van Stralen was the one that introduced it and you'll even see it nipper boards.

Rob

Yes, the designs really are all very different. We have all put a lot of thought into these designs and taken various experiences from OC1, Skis, Paddleboards, Yachts and other water craft. People like Dick van Stralen and other great minds also help out. Dale listens to all of us and these are the boards that he comes out with.

Thanks for the pictures Sue.. Your new board looks great.

DJ

some good points have been made, at the end of the day water is water and it behaves in a certain way, only the conditions change.....

they may have changed before the BOP, but then again Billy won the Hololua last year on a Lahui Kai.....just after JM crossed the line on his prone Lahui Kai.....does it matter, not really.

But from pictures the new DC's look alot more like LK than the old green one....no argung that. The other differences that are there, may make the difference in performance but my comment was more aimed at, if something does well people will always look at it. All this talk of how well DC's boards went in the malfunction race and yet they were the most popular.......they should dominate. But is it a real test of the boards and paddlers???? only time will tell

Can someone please explain the concept of concave to me? I hear a lot about double-concave, single concave, double to single and now even triple by sounds of things but Im unsure as how this affects performance.

I get it that this is referring to a very slight concave indent to the underside of the board but how deep? 5mm? 20mm? How far from the nose does concave start? Will a concave board always be better than one with a completely flat bottom?

G'day All
Some great & funny comments made by all. I want to see all you guys on that 30k starting line of the saltwater festival 8-9th May. It will be great to see DC 17ft Lahui Kai 17ft Secret Agent 17ft Naish 17ft SIC 17ft at the starting line it'll be a good test of you & board ability. (its looking to be a fun & challenging race already with all these boards).

This is the feed back what I've been told from good recourses ( so its only hearsay! )the Lahui Kai 17fter goes unreal in the flat in the rough they go like s##t the Hawaiian hat them & gave them back. That Green 17ft DC nose dives in the rough.

At the end of the day you need 2 boards one for the rough & one for the flat an in-between board only does 1/2 the job. That why I have 2 boards a F-16 & a F-18 & have never looked back & my 8'6'' is just for surfing. So all I can say I'm just stoked with all 3 boards.

If they ever have a over 40's BOP in Australia then I'ed look at getting a 12'6'' made & it would look similar to a Lahui Kai but made by Woody Jack.
see ya in da ocean
DW

Downwinder said...

G'day All
Some great & funny comments made by all. I want to see all you guys on that 30k starting line of the saltwater festival 8-9th May. It will be great to see DC 17ft Lahui Kai 17ft Secret Agent 17ft Naish 17ft SIC 17ft at the starting line it'll be a good test of you & board ability. (its looking to be a fun & challenging race already with all these boards).

This is the feed back what I've been told from good recourses ( so its only hearsay! )the Lahui Kai 17fter goes unreal in the flat in the rough they go like s##t the Hawaiian hat them & gave them back. That Green 17ft DC nose dives in the rough.

At the end of the day you need 2 boards one for the rough & one for the flat an in-between board only does 1/2 the job. That why I have 2 boards a F-16 & a F-18 & have never looked back & my 8'6'' is just for surfing. So all I can say I'm just stoked with all 3 boards.

If they ever have a over 40's BOP in Australia then I'ed look at getting a 12'6'' made & it would look similar to a Lahui Kai but made by Woody Jack.
see ya in da ocean
DW

That green DC17 was one of the first DW boards that Dale made. We have already stated what its good and bad points are so I am not sure why you would use it as an example. My orange DC16 is a newer model to that one and you cannot compare it to the newer boards that are coming out. This is the same board I did the Byron to Burleigh paddle on and it worked exceptionally well for that. But that was more than a year ago and the newer designs are so different you cant compare them.

As for your feedback on the Lahui Kai 17 I am not sure how reliable that is either. It's not a good idea to criticize any other boards on the forum, like this. There are a lot of really good boards out there (with more to come), including both of your SIC boards. We should all be trying to develop the sport of Downwinding and Racing. Keep it positive and keep it fun.

Downwinder said...

G'day Mike
Yes good call but the funny thing is how come people can not sell there DC 17fters on the forum they have been on there for months! yet I've sold 3 SIC 16fters over 2 years & they all went within 3 weeks of advertising. Like how hard is it. Dale is a great bloke & a Master Craftsman. If i was a surfboard shaper I'd grab my 6'6'' & blow it up to 17ft thats why my F-16 & those 17ft Naish boards go so well as they just look like large surfboard. But I agree the F-16 & Naish 17fter go like s##t slow in the flat as they are made for the ocean swells.
Have fun in Tonga & no dryrails.

Hey Phil,

I don't have any criticism of any boards out there as there are plenty of good ones, including those you mentioned. You seem to have forgotten that Dale and I did 70km in 8hrs on 2009 DC16 boards. When you come close to that you will be eligible to criticise Dale's boards. Keep it positive.

ok, seems like there is some fanboy action here....Is it not a public forum, which is open for debate? Not everyone is going to agree, like the old saying "you can't please all of the people all of the time".

Funny thing about what Phil said, was that I was taking to a mate that has been involved in standup and surfclub racing and told me exactly the same thing. Now it may come across as "bagging" but maybe its just the general consenses of those that have ridden a few of these boards in down wind conditions.

does it matter how fast Phil or anyone else can paddle to prove a point, hell put Jamie Mitchell or Billy Watson on an average board and they will pants most of those on the best boards....

30km SUP races, 80 and 50km paddles by Mike and Phil. Crazy stuff and paddles that require a massive amount of training and ocean time to build up to.

I paddled a 21km OC6 marathon last weekend and while enjoyable and extremely competitive it gives me an idea of the endurance and pace required to paddle for that amount of time on a SUP a different proposition altogether.

I'm looking forward to some of the challenges ahead. There certainly are many.