Laird/PUMA board goes retail (..$6,500 for a SUP?)

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chrisparker
chrisparker
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10 Aug 2011 7:06pm
There's already been
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Laird-Puma-2
a bit
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/LairdPuma-Here-come-the-big-brands/
of talk
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/puma-sup/
about the Laird/PUMA board. Most wondered if it'd ever go into production or if it was just a marketing gimmick.

Now Surftech says it's getting a retail release in January 2012 as a limited-edition 14 footer.

...and it's priced at a mere $6,500 according to this video
bcove.me/x4j21wgc
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Here's the boat that it's based on:

www.dubib.com/default.php
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I reckon it's pretty cool to see high end designs coming in to the sport. Even if 99% of paddlers can't afford the thing, it still pushes SUP racing forward. And it's not like this is the everyday board you'd leave on the roof of your car anyway, it's more of a collector's item.

But either way, is $6,500 too much for a SUP board?

Discuss.




rahams
rahams
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10 Aug 2011 9:13pm

great board for ocean crossing
Towny
Towny
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10 Aug 2011 9:47pm
I don't think you get the sail with it though
Scotty88
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10 Aug 2011 7:55pm
If the Design is so fast then why did'nt Laird come up with it before he signed up. He is a such a pioneer in so many ways that I am sure if it was that good then he would have designed it beforehand.
It looks like they chopped a 28ft Sup in 1/2.
Then again, the winged keel looked a bit strange. Remember when the yanks 'lost' the America Cup in 83 ?
chrisparker
chrisparker
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10 Aug 2011 8:23pm
Scotty88 said...

If the Design is so fast then why did'nt Laird come up with it before he signed up. He is a such a pioneer in so many ways that I am sure if it was that good then he would have designed it beforehand.
It looks like they chopped a 28ft Sup in 1/2.
Then again, the winged keel looked a bit strange. Remember when the yanks 'lost' the America Cup in 83 ?


Who knows if it's even any good... but a world champion yacht designer is gonna have a different perspective than a surfer, no matter how good that surfer is.

Though if it was crap I don't reckon Surftech would've had the balls to sell it for $6.5k, so surely it's got something going for it (apart from the pure novelty value).

"Hamilton teamed with renowned boat designer Juan Kouyoumdjian (Juan K), of Juan Yacht Design, to create the unique SUP. The board features the same Volvo 70 boat hull design – both ergonomically and through the use of the same ultra-lightweight materials – seen in PUMA's Mar Mostro, the yacht set to compete in the nine-month around the world Volvo Ocean Race.

Juan K is the mastermind behind PUMA's Mar Mostro as well as the designer for the two previous winning Volvo Ocean Race boats – ABM-AMRO ONE and Ericsson 4. Kouyoumdijian is also the principal designer with Artemis Racing Team for the 34th America's Cup. Born in Buenos Aires, Argentina, his passion for sailing inspired him to study naval architecture, and he earned a degree in yacht and in small craft design. Today, his company, Juan Yacht Design, based in Valencia, Spain, is composed of a multicultural team specialized in the design of high performance racing yachts."
DavidJohn
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10 Aug 2011 11:09pm
Any pics of the bottom yet.. I heard it's a twin fin.

DJ
chrisparker
chrisparker
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234 posts
10 Aug 2011 9:34pm
DavidJohn said...

Any pics of the bottom yet.. I heard it's a twin fin.

DJ


No pics, but that makes sense - I know nothing about yachts, but the one it's based on kinda looks like it's got a twin fin...



Here's the closest thing to seeing the bottom:





chrisparker
chrisparker
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234 posts
10 Aug 2011 9:35pm
More about the design...


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"The prototype boards have reverse angle bows like an America's Cup catamaran and wide, flat tails like Kouyoumdjian's ocean racers."

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"The prototype SUP was designed and built with the same technology put into Mar Mostro. It is a hollow board whose foam-cored carbon panels were laser cut to Kouyoumdjian's drawings. The structure was baked in a large oven to create a one-piece board."

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"The board was built in three weeks by Clear Carbon and Components of Bristol, R.I."

"Built in the United States by Clear Carbon and Components, Inc. (Bristol, R.I.) and distributed by Surftech (Santa Cruz, Calif.), the board marks the first time that boat hull design innovation have been used in stand-up paddleboards."

"use of the same ultra-lightweight materials seen in PUMA's Mar Mostro"

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That last bit helps explain the price... clearcarbon.com/

Tux
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11 Aug 2011 8:33am
Till he starts winning races on it, its overpriced ****......
surfanimal
surfanimal
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11 Aug 2011 10:45am
Laird is in it all huh ?

A Surftech Bark / Laird combo looking like a Laird tweaked 'Dominator'.

Came across it yesterday - that's Joe with him in the shot.



chrisparker
chrisparker
234 posts
234 posts
11 Aug 2011 2:14pm
Tux said...

Till he starts winning races on it, its overpriced ****......


Here's a bit on performance...

"The result has been a performance board that looks as fanciful as its monstrous octopus paint job. One expert found it fast and maneuverable in flat water. Laird said that until it is tested in open water and waves, it is impossible to know whether it is heavy enough to perform well in endurance events."

Doesn't sound like Laird even knows

You can demo them at each of the Volvo Ocean Racing ports
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%9312_Volvo_Ocean_Race
. No stops in Australia though :-/


Southwesterly
Southwesterly
112 posts
112 posts
11 Aug 2011 2:34pm
Looks like Lance Burkart finally got Chandler to make him a new school board.
Simondo
Simondo
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11 Aug 2011 8:52pm
Billy Hamilton helped Laird choose the colours too.
www.billhamiltonsurfboards.com

supanimal said...

Laird is in it all huh ?

A Surftech Bark / Laird combo looking like a Laird tweaked 'Dominator'.

Came across it yesterday - that's Joe with him in the shot.






Makaha
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11 Aug 2011 6:58pm
Simondo said...








Nah looks like dj thinking of planting a sloppy one on Lairds cheek

HumanCartoon
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11 Aug 2011 9:22pm
chrisparker said...
...is $6,500 too much for a SUP board?

Discuss.



still about half the price of a high-end Colnago?

just sayin'
laceys lane
laceys lane
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11 Aug 2011 9:36pm
the $6,500 price tag comes with a free sanity test by the doctor of your choice
chrispychru
chrispychru
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11 Aug 2011 9:50pm
13000 grand for the whole board,just got to get the other half out off cash converters first
k4s
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12 Aug 2011 2:11pm
Not really sure how the puma yacht design translates into a SUP board.Not to much in common from a design/performance point of view to me.
The boat has a narrow bow running aft to a really wide stern.Bow is obvious,slim and slippery so it cuts the water easily while powered up.The stern is really wide for downwind planning .It is so wide to increase the planning area of the boat thus inducing planning speeds earlier.Lots of wetted surface(read as drag)is the trade off.
Thats the major reason for twin rudders.If the boat is not on the plane then the stern is dragging.So they sail the boat up wind and on a tight reach heeled way over to reduce this wetted area.One rudder is often out of the water.
So...On a SUP board ,is the extra wide stern just adding extra drag for a really high proportion of time?It may hold a surf for a bit longer or pick up a surf a bit earlier,but the trade off is huge drag when not planning.Are the real good SUPers out there on a plane while paddling without the aid of a wave?,if not the drag increase can only hurt over time.
LaPerouseBay
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12 Aug 2011 3:48pm
k4s said...
Are the real good SUPers out there on a plane while paddling without the aid of a wave


No, humans can't do it. Planing speeds can only be achieved by the aid of a wave, or a sail, or a motor etc.

IMO, it's a fancy trophy for rich people, not a serious racing board. I can't begin to imagine how a person would turn that... thing.

I'm glad to hear of the super light technology, hope it trickles down to us commoners someday.
CMC
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12 Aug 2011 6:39pm
K4s hit the nail on the head. When does a yacht sail flat? They are always leaning, that's why they have canting keels etc. The flat wide tail seems to defy what commonly works.

BTW boardworks has been selling the M&M boards for a while, people are racing them an they are in production. M&M is also a yacht and boat designer, the boards they have designed actually look pretty good.
AA
AA
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12 Aug 2011 7:17pm
When does form not follow function?
When the marketing department is calling the shots!
doggie
doggie
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12 Aug 2011 5:19pm
The designer of the Laird/PUMA board was into a bit of this I think -



Piros
Piros
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12 Aug 2011 8:05pm
What ever way you look at this so good will come out of it , some serious R&D $$'s have been sunk into the design. Yatchs do sail flat going down wind and this is what this board is all about .Agree on the drag with 2 fins but this might help the paddler transfer all his energy to the paddle and not to the legs to keep the board flat and maintain speed. The cant on the 2 fins may push the water to the centre of the board producing extra lift in the tail and negating the drag effect ...???

Plenty of race boards have been built too narrow sucking the life out of the paddlers to stay upright.

colas
colas
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12 Aug 2011 6:14pm
LaPerouseBay said...
No, humans can't do it. Planing speeds can only be achieved by the aid of a wave, or a sail, or a motor etc.


Actually you can, but not with this amount of wetted surface, so you can with a foil. two examples:
kayak:

"bike":

www.humanpoweredboats.com/
weird: lancet.mit.edu/decavitator/

I guess for a SUP the technical difficulties are stability and the non-steady propulsive power.
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