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DavidJohn
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12 Mar 2011 12:09am
I hope our friends in Hawaii don't have any damage due to the Japan earthquake.

Also anyone in the effected area.

DJ

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Simondo
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12 Mar 2011 12:56am
I hope our friends in Japan come through OK too.

I also hope there is only minor slips of adjustment elsewhere.... I have that bad feeling that the San Andreas fault is due to slip....
rps
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12 Mar 2011 4:03am
Guys,

I'm in Japan right now and it's all quite surreal. Whilst snowboarding this arvo, we experienced an earthquake, but didn't really twig.

When we got back to our hotel and realised what was going down and saw the TV images, this country is being hit very, very hard!!

Speechless really.
beerkeg
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12 Mar 2011 3:29am
hey DJ, where does that inundation model come from. nice image.

while Hawaii is in the firing line of this recent seismic monster, spare a though for the atolls out there like in the Marshalls, Kiribati or Tuvalu. at only metres above the high tide and battling lea level rise (it is real Mr Abbott), they can least afford the taro plot or breadfruit trees getting a fatal dose of seawater, let alone themselves and meagre belongings being washed into the Pacific.

PTWoody
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12 Mar 2011 9:13am
rps said...

Guys,

I'm in Japan right now and it's all quite surreal. Whilst snowboarding this arvo, we experienced an earthquake, but didn't really twig.





Hey Warwick, glad to hear you're okay. Did any of the mountains avalanche?



PS. We're demo'ing 3 x 14's to my friend Cam this morning including the big red in your shop. He says he's a serious buyer so hopefully you can rack up a quick sale when you get back this week.
Simondo
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12 Mar 2011 9:34am
Dribbly surf this morning, so watching the news now.... did they just say a cruise ship is missing ?? Maybe they have just lost communication with it ??

Great footage of 3 big waves rolling in before the devastation.... Big clean walls.... Looked kind of ridable!

Edit - Another quake just recently, 6ish in strength, with avalanches. At least that happened before the ski fields would have opened.
russh
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12 Mar 2011 11:03am
Simondo said...

Dribbly surf this morning, so watching the news now.... did they just say a cruise ship is missing ?? Maybe they have just lost communication with it ??

Great footage of 3 big waves rolling in before the devastation.... Big clean walls.... Looked kind of ridable!

Edit - Another quake just recently, 6ish in strength, with avalanches. At least that happened before the ski fields would have opened.


Careful with the comments about the sets rolling in - the forum doo gooders will be after you - I just got executed by sands and some other boof head in the general forum
62mac
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12 Mar 2011 8:44am
Oliver on his angry pills on a Friday night, more big hits than last nights NRL games.
DavidJohn
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12 Mar 2011 3:11pm
beerkeg said...

hey DJ, where does that inundation model come from. nice image.



I think I got it from the SurfLine site.

Glad you're ok Warwick.. What a HUGE mess that is to clean up over there.. .. I hope you're not near the Nuclear plants..

For those who don't visit the Zone site I thought this was a good read about guys SUP'ing the tsunami..

DJ

"It was a crazy scene in Santa Cruz today. Most of the tsunami damage happened at the harbor, with boats piling on top of each other like little bathtub toys.

The waves (non tsunami) were good all morning long. More people were looking, rather than surfing. After waiting and not seeing anything happen by the 8 am predicted arrival of the first tsunami surge, we decided it was time to surf.

Lots of people were standing on top of the cliff watching, as I paddled out with three friends. There were a handful of surfers already out at the top of the point. The ocean felt strange from the get go. "Wibbly" is a term my girlfriend would use. Closed streets, blaring sirens and circling helicopters all added to the weirdness.

The four of us (all on stand ups) got sucked outside real fast. By the time I turned around for my first wave, I noticed the reef was now exposed, high and dry. It was as low of a tide as I have ever seen. I had to paddle the entire time just to stay in my first mid sized wave. I noticed that even though I was surfing in, I was going backward.

Minutes later it was super high tide. Waves broke along on the cliffs with no exposed beach. It cycled between high tide and low tide for the next half hour many times. We all rode some semi-fun waves before an on-shore wind picked up. Now with all the water movement and wind, it was quickly turning way past wibbly and time to get back on solid ground...

Looking in, noticing I was a 1/2 mile up the coast from where I was just minutes ago. I was being drug UPWIND and OUT at a relatively fast pace... Weird.... I didn't make any ground getting back in standing, so I ended up knee paddling.

Back home no real drama, except for feeling very insignificant.

My thoughts go out to all those affected by this earthquake and tsunami."


DavidJohn
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12 Mar 2011 3:30pm
Also a vid showing 'that wave' ..

It's hard to tell how big and how fast it's traveling.

DJ

goatman
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12 Mar 2011 5:38pm
That video is unbelievable, like something out of a disaster movie!! So many houses lost.
rps
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13 Mar 2011 6:23pm
Hey PT and DJ,

after a very long, very round-about transit, I've finally just got back from Japan.
All is well with our crew and we were very lucky to get out of the country when we did. Many places were almost at a standstill.

We must've been amongst the first Aussies back from Japan earlier today, because the media were all over Sydney Int'l AP and realising we'd come from Japan, rushed a few of us for news interviews. [ SBS for me].

We saw a lot of devastation from the air and it was quite numbing seeing plumes of thick, black smoke and the extent of the tidal forces having pushed well inland.

My thoughts are with our Japanese neighbours.

On a lighter note, Tues morning beckons with light winds and my new Fanatic 12'6" is calling me. I'm thinking of HMB to Ricketts return to mix it up alittle.
DavidJohn
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13 Mar 2011 7:18pm
Glad you made it back ok and I'll be watching for you on the SBS news tonight.. I'll also be watching you on our next night paddle to check that you're not glowing in the dark.. Just kidding Warwick but Jeez.. back in Japan it looks like it's going from bad to worse with this new drama..

Paul and I did a big two hour no-winder today in beautiful hot Melbourne weather but now it's gone back to crappy cold/wet/rainy weather but who knows what tomorrow will bring.

Btw on Saturday morning we're going to paddle the Yarra river and be under the Boltie bridge when Mark Webber drives his RB7 F1 car over the bridge.. .. Imagine the sound..

DJ
ockanui
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13 Mar 2011 9:17pm
what a nightmare unfolding in Japan, I would assume there are lots of surf breaks up along that coast, one can only imagine being out surfing when the tsunami hit let alone all the other scenarios, phew bloody horrific, Warwick i think a debriefing paddle is required in the quiet of Half Moon, tues. 6.30 ish?
Bnaccas
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13 Mar 2011 10:26pm
I'm worried about my new friends in Kiribati. Nothing has been said on the news but I know
their main village is only a couple metres above sea level at best. The whole island/atoll
is only 4m above sea level at the highest point and from what the maps have been saying
they would have been hit harder than Hawaii.

With no TV or radio I hope they had some form of siren and evaculation plan, and that
everyone was educated on where to go.

Has anyone heard if they are OK?

I can't stop watching SKY News, this is toooo terrible!

We need to stop mining all the goodness out of this earth, it's all for a reason. As if that
will ever happen though. Until the tsunami in Thailand, they were just a myth/legend
and now it seems way too common.
Ted the Kiwi
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14 Mar 2011 9:22am
Before and after imagery from ABC

www.abc.net.au/news/specials/japan-quake-2011/

Slide your mouse along each photo. Frightening. And I work in natural disasters for a living.

DJ - Tsunamis can travel up to 800km an hour in the open ocean

The technical formula we use is V = √gD

Where v = velocity, g = acceleration due to gravity (9.8m/sec2), D = depth of ocean water. The pacific has an average depth of approx. 5.5km so a tsunami could travel at 518mph or 232m/sec. But because they have such long wave lengths they are always dragging across the ocean bottom - and due to the contours on the bottom of the ocean they typically slow down to around 700ish km/hr.

When they come into the land the front slows up and the back catches it -caused by the friction with the ocean bottom and internal turbulences. They are still doing relatively quick speeds but once they hit landfall are normally doing about 30-40km (although this is a generalisation as many factors contribute - like shape of the ocean floor, land contours etc) - which is still pretty fast. But as can be seen its not really the speed of the water that counts its the shear volume. The wall of water will do the damage no matter what the speed.
DavidJohn
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14 Mar 2011 11:19am
Ted the Kiwi said...

Before and after imagery from ABC

www.abc.net.au/news/specials/japan-quake-2011/

Slide your mouse along each photo. Frightening. And I work in natural disasters for a living.

DJ - Tsunamis can travel up to 800km an hour in the open ocean

The technical formula we use is V = ??gD

Where v = velocity, g = acceleration due to gravity (9.8m/sec2), D = depth of ocean water. The pacific has an average depth of approx. 5.5km so a tsunami could travel at 518mph or 232m/sec. But because they have such long wave lengths they are always dragging across the ocean bottom - and due to the contours on the bottom of the ocean they typically slow down to around 700ish km/hr.

When they come into the land the front slows up and the back catches it -caused by the friction with the ocean bottom and internal turbulences. They are still doing relatively quick speeds but once they hit landfall are normally doing about 30-40km (although this is a generalisation as many factors contribute - like shape of the ocean floor, land contours etc) - which is still pretty fast. But as can be seen its not really the speed of the water that counts its the shear volume. The wall of water will do the damage no matter what the speed.


Thanks for that.. I could never really understand that 800 kph thing unless it's just a shock wave because I can't see a real wave going that fast.

Oooh.. is that the time.. It's time to go paddling..

DJ

Lobes
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14 Mar 2011 9:09am
DavidJohn said...

It cycled between high tide and low tide for the next half hour many times.



yeah this is what was happening in Kavieng too apparently
Simondo
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14 Mar 2011 10:15pm
You can donate to the Red Cross online or by phoning 1800 811 700, or over the counter at any Commonwealth Bank.
http://www.redcross.org.au/japan2011.htm

You can donate to Save The Children online or by phoning 1800 760 011.
www.savethechildren.org.au/

(I don't know too much Save The Children, but I know my Mum donates 1 day per week with them....)
Simondo
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14 Mar 2011 10:23pm
Bnaccas said...

I'm worried about my new friends in Kiribati. Nothing has been said on the news but I know
their main village is only a couple metres above sea level at best.
Has anyone heard if they are OK?


Google gave me this;
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Kiribati ends tsunami alert
Posted at 21:42 on 11 March, 2011 UTC
The government of Kiribati has called off its tsunami warning just min utes before the wave was due to arrive.
The secretary to the president, Tangitang Kauieata, says they've been advised by the Pacific Tsunami Center that the low lying country no longer faces a threat.
News Content ? Radio New Zealand International
PO Box 123, Wellington, New Zealand
www.rnz.co.nz/international
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Brendan,
You mention mining also.... I agree with you.... unfortunately, without mining, there would be (virtually) no cars, minimal metals (to differentiate us from the stone age), minimal power, no TV, no Sky News, no computers, etc.... No resins for modern surfboards..... But if you were lucky enough to be born in the greater Pacific, you might be fortunate enough to surf a big old "no fin" Olo surfboard, or Alaia !!
With sincerity,
Simon
Simondo
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14 Mar 2011 10:36pm
I recorded the first earthquake I ever felt, 4.5 richter.... I was in Torquay, it was about 9pm on 6 March 2009, and the epicentre was about 27km NNE of Inverloch (Vic), and 37km ENE of San Remo (near Phillip Island), and about 5km NW of Korumburra.

From Torquay, it was about 124km East (technically 124km to the East of ESE).

There were similar strength after shocks, but nothing felt in Torquay.

It was "shake rattle and roll" for a short moment !! But friends in Melbourne didn't feel that one, but felt after shocks, but vice versa in Torquay....
SUPMTB
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14 Mar 2011 8:37pm
I was up in Japan the week until yesterday, when the quake hit I was about 100km SW of Tokyo in Ebina just finishing a nice katsu-don lunch. When my local Japanese colleague said "it is a big one" that was a bit too exciting. We'd already had a smaller one on wednesday at Tskuba north east of Tokyo in our company's R&D lab.

Unexpectedly, it wasnt violent/shocking up/down as i would have expected, more side/side rolling waves getting stronger, it was pretty impossible to stand up (even for an SUPer) - scary thing was it just kept going on and on and on and on...(apparently for over 2 minutes). We were on the 6th story of a Westfield type shopping mall, I was pretty worried that was going to collapse. We could see a large steel shade structure over the mall outside bending like spaghetti. When it slowed down we ran down the fire escape only to find the exit doors closed and unbreakable (we tried) so had to go back up again and find another exit.

No real damage done to us or the building, but trains were all off then until 2am. Spent the intervening time in a dunkin donuts till 10pm and then a lovely warm karaoke bar sleeping on the floor till 2am. Transport Chaos back in city and long taxi queue and finally home to Tokyo hotel 530am. Tokyo CBD was remarkably unscathed, we didnt see any signs of damage apart from a water leak in the road at one point.

My mate was on the 34th floor of our Hotel at Shimbashi in the middle of Tokyo CBD, he reckoned it swayed like anything. We got about 3 big aftershocks over saturday in the hotel that also swayed it around.

Packed up and went to try and get the train to Narita airport (which is about 100km from the CBD) but all cancelled, as well as airport bus and even taxis not going due to road collapse. Called Qantas and changed flight out to Sunday to singapore. Got a big aftershock as we were sitting in the airport yesterday about to board.

I took my wettie to Japan and last sunday went with my mate to Kamakura which is south of Tokyo outside the bay, open coast to rent a SUP (padobo.com - check it out). Unfortunatley there was a gale blowing when we got there, so didnt surf, but hung around and had lunch right by the beach. When I saw the pics of the Tsunami, really bought home how the poor buggers got whacked - if it had been sunday where we were we'd have had no chance.

Luckily all my colleagues and friends up there are accounted for, not sure about thier wider families etc. Our offices closed for the week.

I am back home from singapore thur/fri so happy about that. I think the "lifes too short" justification could well see a new SUP in the quiver shortly.

cheers, wayne.

Bnaccas
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15 Mar 2011 1:25am
Simondo said...

Brendan,
You mention mining also.... I agree with you.... unfortunately, without mining, there would be (virtually) no cars, minimal metals (to differentiate us from the stone age), minimal power, no TV, no Sky News, no computers, etc.... No resins for modern surfboards..... But if you were lucky enough to be born in the greater Pacific, you might be fortunate enough to surf a big old "no fin" Olo surfboard, or Alaia !!
With sincerity,
Simon


Thanks for the Kiribati info Simondo. I was really worried, I sent our hosts a whole
bunch of different vege seeds a while ago and just got a thankyou letter early last
week. VERY nice people!

Yeah I know the world would be a lot different without mining, my point is if you drain
a person of their blood they die, run an engine without oil and it breaks down etc etc.
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