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boardbumps
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2 Sep 2008 10:40am
This is the 3rd paddle I have made from a hand carved balsa core wrapped in carbon. It has a 12 degree blade angle and weighs 736 grams. This one has lasted over 12 months without damage and is 2m long.

Rod




eric344
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2 Sep 2008 9:08am


This is a good looking paddle, I like the handle and the blade looks great for surfing
Shep
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2 Sep 2008 9:53am
Nice one - does the carbon cloth come in different grades like fibre glass (4oz, 6oz etc)?
What weight cloth did you use and how many layers?

Cheers
boardbumps
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3 Sep 2008 10:26am
Hi Shep,
all carbon weights are available woven cloth and non woven cloth. They are not cheap around $50 meter for 6oz and the lighter ones are more exspensive.
This is a better pic no shadow.



I have found that this blade is a bit too long for the surf at 450 x 250, the blade has a curved face as well and gives a lot of power, great flatwater blade.

The handle is 36 x 30mm at the handle and blade ends of the shaft. The shaft tapers to 30 x 26 under your bottom hand this is for flex, the balsa was then glassed. The shaft also has a slight bend thru it, completely accidental. This happened when I sliced the timber the grain bent the slices, but I chose the direction of bend. I should may be have had the bend the other way for possibly more flex.

The blade is sheathed with 6oz carbon with carbon rovings around the perimeter if the blade, with a final covering of 4oz eglass over the blade.

The shaft is sheathed with a layer of 250 gram uni carbon with an extra layer of uni on the front and back of the shaft, this to take the tensile and compressive loads. This comes from experience with building and breaking shafts. A final layer of 4ox eglass covers the complete shaft.

I have lent this blade out to any experienced (very few pass my way) paddlers and the common comment was they really liked how the shaft fitted the hand (thickness) but wanted more flex.

I am in the process of making another paddle with a smaller blade and I will post pics of the process. I still have not made up my mind whether to make the blade Dihedral or leave it flat on the face.

Rod

boardbumps
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3 Sep 2008 9:24pm
These are some basic pics of how I make balsa core paddles. This is the balsa assembly stage, shaping comes after this.

This first image is all the balsa pieces cut out.


This second image is the paddle fully assembled without glue to check how it all fits.


This third image is a closeup of the blade assembly


This fourth image is the blade and handle assembled and glued together before being joined. I use pins as clamps and aquadhere as the glue. If you glue both sides of the balsa it tends to suck together if its flat. Note the extra large handle, I am going to shape it as a mini blade for sit down paddling.


This last image of the fully assembled paddle glued together.


I am making with this paddle a different type of handle, it is a mini paddle at the handle end. Some of the waves I get are pretty long and after a few hours it is nice to sit on the board and slowly paddle back out. I'll post an image of the handle tommorrow after surfing, if I get to the workshop. It actually shows up fairly well in the fourth image, but I'll post a closeup one for you.

Rod



DavidJohn
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3 Sep 2008 9:36pm
Nice job Rod..Thanks for all the pictures..I often thought about doing something like that.

Have you used many other paddles to see how it compares?

If you ever get to try a Kialoa check out their T grip handle..I like it..You could make one the same.

I think the almost flat against your hand gives better blade controle..It's like Casso said he uses his handle backwards for this reason.

Just a thought...btw..Interesting idea with the mini paddle at the handle end.

DJ
oliver
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3 Sep 2008 10:05pm
After I saw your paddle I wondered how you made it - thanks for the insight. Making your own boards and paddles must be very rewarding for you when you are out in the water using your own gear. I can almost picture you out there thinking about different shapes designs, and analyzing every stroke etc. I often think about what went into making both my boards, the inflatable ULI and my Naish when I'm out there. I'm sure it would add a whole new dimension to the experience building the gear yourself.
Piros
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4 Sep 2008 8:45am
Nice job thats alot of work , did you vacum bag any of it ? I think if you put a diheral on the face and make the blade head a bit smaller and leave everything else as is you will have hit the nail on the head.

Top effort , the balsa on edge in the shaft is what is giving you the extra strength and not letting it flex , just use foam for the next one , it will be alot faster and cheaper to build.

Rob
boardbumps
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4 Sep 2008 10:18am
Hey Piros,
No vac bagging. A lot of causes for stiffness, sectional thickness, density of core, the type of fabric used to sheath the paddle.
I chose balsa for the shaft because it has better flexural qualities than pvc foam, which tends to be neutral.
I was going to make the blade out of foam, but shaping two different materials together is difficult, the new pvc is tough stuff.
I am making two new paddles the same, one with a dihedral face, but no curve, just a flat face with the V shape and the other just flat, best way to test.

Glassing I'm going to use Eglass with a little carbon uni on one and rovings on the other..I have worked out how much carbon to use and where to put it, its now time to try the same layup but using Eglass. I use Vinylester for flex and wetout time.

DJ, my first paddles were with a T handle, but I like to know orientation without having to look. That is thats how I want hings to happen today, who nows about tommorrow, got to keep an open mind.

Rod
Piros
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4 Sep 2008 2:34pm
Rod I think you are under estimating the strength of end grain balsa , that is what they build boats out of in composite sheets with end grain balsa cores. You only need the core for holding the shape while you glass it , the carbon will do the rest thats why all the major paddle manufacturers have hollow shafts..

Why aren't you using epoxy it's heaps stronger than vinylester and even more so if you post cure it (keep heat on during the curing process).This will increase your strength so you can reduce you lay up and reduce the overall weight and costs.

I'd still put a slight kick on the bottom of the paddle.

Keep us posted ,it's great to see someone having such a serious crack at building there own carbon paddles

Rob
boardbumps
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4 Sep 2008 6:01pm
Hi Piros,
vinylester is a great product, good adhesion, flexural and minimal shrinkage. And it sets up a lot faster than epoxy, 40mins to gel time. This leaves plenty of work time and I don't have to put every thing in a bag and then attach the pump and adjust the pressure and wait until the next day for the next resin stage. I work with epoxy every day or most days, and have been vac bagging for over twenty years. This new workshop has not got an oven, the energy bills are high with ovens, I'm semi retired. There is not much room here and I live on the North coast where we only get about three days of winter. The work shop faces north and rarely gets below 17c.

I'll post some more images from today, (shaping the paddle) later on. First I have to resize and sort them.

Regards Rod
boardbumps
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4 Sep 2008 7:03pm
This is todays effort at paddle building

The shaping tools


The shaft shows the pencil line for the thickness taper. I am shaping balsa with an angle grinder for fast removal at this stage.


The shaft showing thickness removed with the angle grinder next smooth with 40grit paper


More pencil lines for first stage of making the shaft oval


The new handle 1



The new handle 2


This image is the full shaft and handle roughed out


Removing the octagonal edges with a hand plane to improve oval before final smoothing with sandpaper


I have started to shape the back of the blade and have added fillets to smooth the shaft to blade joint.


Tommorrow is the final shaping and finishing off of the balsa.

Rod




Scotty Mac
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4 Sep 2008 9:54pm
Well done Rod, quality job.
DavidJohn
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4 Sep 2008 10:38pm
Yeah Great stuff and looking good...Thanks for the pictures and please keep them coming.

DJ
boardbumps
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5 Sep 2008 10:11pm
Here is the latest batch of images, finish shaping series, glassing next week.

This one shows a line marked on the blade perimeter 2mm from the blade face. This is so you don't loose the blade planshape. This is also filled with rovings at the glassing stage to protect the paddle edge, works really well.


This is the back of the blade roughed out and shows you how furry the balsa gets


This one shows a pencil line on the shaft at the centre line, use a 3b pencil. It is there so that you don't loose thickness and aids with the rounding.


Pencil line on the other side


Paddle roughed ready for smooth sanding 80 grit then 180 grit then 320 grit


This shows how clean you need the front edge of the blade


closeup of the handle palm side


closeup of the handle finger side


closeup of the handle looking from the blade end


the paddle is smooth sanded in this image, also my dust mask that I wear at all times


Smooth sanded blade other side


on the rack ready for the first resin coat.


The resin has been applied. This coat is to seal the balsa and allows you to really get a smooth finish. The fur sticks up when resin is applied, it can be sanded off completely when the resin has set hard. I usually do this the next day at the earliest.



Have a good weekend

Rod









champcrow
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5 Sep 2008 10:19pm
Cool stuff Rod very interesting, can't wait to see more.

Cheers

Champ
boardbumps
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8 Sep 2008 6:43pm
I did not get too much work done today, surfed for a couple of hours on my red 9'0 in small clean waves with 4ft sets. Any way there are only two images.

This first one is of the gaps being filled in the handle to blade joint. I use Selleys Kneadit, the regular kind, it sets up un about 10mins in winter and real fast in summer. It is also ideal for those dings that need to be fixed immediately and fast. It is great for small epoxy/styro repairs. Just cover the eps and then glass over with polyester resin. Kneadit doesn't melt eps.


This next image is of the glass that I'm going to use to sheath the paddle with. Just to make the paddle a little bit more original I am covering the back of the blade with the chilly fabric and then glass a 4oz Eglass over that.
The front of the blade will be glassed with a single 6oz E and a 4oz Eglass. Those fabrics are to the left of the paddle in the image. On the right are the shaft fabrics. One complete wrap of 6oz E first, overlapped on the finger side. The narrow 6oz strip goes on the palm side. The 250 gram uni carbon goes on the finger and palm sides. The carbon is for added compression and tensile strength, but mainly for flexural response. Then I cover the whole shaft with the last layer of 4oz Eglass but I put the strip down first and on the palm side and overlap on the finger side.


I'll show the laminations as a series of separate images over this week.

Rod
boardbumps
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10 Sep 2008 9:30pm
Here are the latest Images. I missed yesterday as I was too tuckered out from surfing

This shows the shaft first painted with resin, this helps to wet out the glass and to hold the glass in place


This is of the precut glass after being placed on the shaft


This one shows the glass being wet out, I use a two inch brush


The paddle is turned over in this image and the glass is wrapped around the shaft


This is of the face of the paddle glassed and shows the over hang of glass for the rovings to sit on when the back of the blade is to be glassed.


This is a closeup of the blade showing the overhang of glass


This image is of the dry rovings for the back of the paddle edge


This is a closeup of the sanded shaft before the next layer of cloth is laid


This is the fully sanded paddle


The wet out rovings are in place on the glass overhang on the back of the paddle


The chilli fabric in place and wet out


Carbon strip in place for compression loads and reflex


carbon in place for tensile loads and reflex



Rod

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11 Sep 2008 2:57am
Great paddle making tutorial Rod,I like the look of the handle.
Piros
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11 Sep 2008 8:47am
Nice job Rod...... really nice where did you get the chilli fabric ? thats agreat effect. You have actually got me motivated again and I have started the lay up on my sup paddle with a curved shaft.

Rob
DavidJohn
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11 Sep 2008 8:51am
Very nice..Thanks for the pictures...I'm not sure about the handle shape myself but the blade shape is nice.

DJ
boardbumps
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11 Sep 2008 11:24am
DJ , the handle is a bit unusual. It did not come out quite as I imagined, a bit chunky.

Rod
DavidJohn
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11 Sep 2008 11:45am
Chunky.. ...I almost used that word myself..

I would have liked to see a handle shape a little more like this.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36971

If you ever get to try a Kialoa you will instantly notice the very narrow shaft..well it's more ovalized if not rectangular in the center third of the shaft than going back to round again at each end.

It fits very well into your hand...You could easily copy that design.

DJ
boardbumps
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11 Sep 2008 11:55am
I nearly used an L as well. Its just a bit fat
I do like to sit down after an hour or so and paddle out, lots of my waves are 300mtr, you get a bit tired after U turn 50, thats why the mini paddle.

Rod
Greenroom
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11 Sep 2008 10:10am
Id be interested in one of these paddles Rod. How much do you sell them for?
boardbumps
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11 Sep 2008 5:50pm
Hi Greenroom pm me and we can talk prices and freight.

Rod
boardbumps
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11 Sep 2008 6:02pm
Go for it Piros, I got the chilli fabric about five years ago at spotlight. I have other graphics as well, great for customising kiteboard decks.
PM me if you think I can help you.

Rod
Scotty Mac
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11 Sep 2008 10:19pm
Very very nice work Rod.
boardbumps
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12 Sep 2008 9:20pm
Nearly finished the paddle, it does not really take this much time, but taking images and resizing, posting and other work
This one is the blade trimmed to shape face side showing the roving eddge


This is the back of the blade with the chilli fabric


This is showing extra reinforcement for the shaft blade joint face side


This is xtra reinforcement on the chilli side


This is the handle ready to be glassed showing the handle fabric on the rack


This shows the wet out balsa handle with the dry fabric in place ready to be wet out on the palm side


This shows the palm side wet out 1st layer


This one is the fabric on the finger side 1st layer


This final one is the handle fully wet out, at this stage the paddle weighs 640 grams


This paddle is looking to be lighter than the full carbon one. The shaft is still not fully cured yet , 1 day old and it can already take about 80% of my strength in trying to break it.

On a lighter note today was my eldest sons 12th birthday, he is a boogy boarder, at his age now, I had already built my first surfboard.

Have a good weekend

Rod



boardbumps
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12 Sep 2008 9:21pm
Go the Sea Eagles
boardbumps
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16 Sep 2008 9:25am
The latest series of images, check out how much bend I get in the shaft without it breaking.

This is me bending the shaft, not full strength in this image also shows how the handle fits the hand, even if it is the wrong way around.


This the paddle before the sanding resin is painted on. The handle and blade have been coated once already.


The paddle has been completely painted with sanding resin


This is me using full strength to bend the shaft, check out the curve in the shaft.


Sanding and painting next.

Rod


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