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OG SUP
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11 Dec 2010 1:06am
Thought we might do some time trials in some trying condition to test the Fanatic 12.6 carbon against the Naish 17.

Test Pilots Simmondo 85kg and Kristi 43kg Phill 115kg





Location Little Noosa Barwon River



Conditions: 25 - 30kn head wind on the way out reverse

on the way back in 400m pylon run.














We we fully expected the Naish 17 to kick butt big time but we were totally blown away.

In repeated tests on the 400 m Pylon run the total time diference between the 2 boards was between 1- 3 secons in the favor of the naish but the nasih was 4.5 ft longer.

We paddled the board with a 43kg rider an 85kg rider and a 115kg rider and even in the heavy wind it was extremely stable.

The board even with 115kg on it could easily catch 6 inch runners

I have trialed 5 different 12.6 boards and this is the only one I have been able to paddle comfortably at my weight.

I did find in the cross wind you really need to get back on the tail to straighten her up but that was the only vice I have found at this stage.

Due to the large dihedral on the nose its hard to load on the racks without damaging the board and you may not get 2 side by side on the roof.

If you get an opportunity to trial this board do it and make up your own mind.

In our opinion SMOKIN!

Phill

Disclaimer: We bought the board after significant research for BOP style racing.

Tryfan
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11 Dec 2010 12:18am
A great board comparo would be between the Fanatic and the Surftech Bark 12'6, they look a lot alike...Bark is the one on the left and in some good company. Will get better pics of nose, etc.


DavidJohn
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11 Dec 2010 1:34am
Great pics Phill.. Love the shot of the 17 on end with the sky behind it.

It's going to be interesting to see how the 12'6" Fly goes on a DW'er.

The new 14' Fly should have a removable steering system.. That will also be interesting.

DJ
NSW, 1613 posts
11 Dec 2010 8:36am
We've had some great runs on the Fly 12'6" lately in mixed downwind conditions and came away impressed. The rougher and nastier the water got the more fun it was.

Feels very alive and fast underfoot with plenty of easy speed. Cross compared with a board a few feet longer and it was the faster paddler who came out in front.

Nice board for all conditions. Stable, easy and fast.

Sam.
Simondo
Simondo
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11 Dec 2010 9:32am
Yep, the "cutter" nose is a feature of that 12'6. There's no doubt that the cutter nose is a good design point for speed. It also acts like a front fin, and really holds you on line. And getting back on the tail is a necessity for a turn.

Nice pics too Phill.
Swanie
Swanie
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11 Dec 2010 8:59am
Hi Phil

we did a trial on this board compared to a 14' Glide. Both great board. On the river in glassy water this board matched and even pulled ahead. The paddlers swaped boards to see if it was the engine and not the board and we had the same result.

Cheers
Swanie
CMC
CMC
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11 Dec 2010 9:10am
Great review. One question though, how did you get Erik Estrada (in Chips) to come paddle with you guys??



OG SUP
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11 Dec 2010 10:24am
Just came back from a really short down wind session on the Barwon with revvin Kevin (1.2k ish) really didnt even have to paddle which for me is exactly what i needed, time on the water with a close mate.

We had 35kn+ wind behind us and no idea really what was gonna happen.
I actually caught 2 x 6 - 9 inch runners 30m+ long almost without paddling (My wide ass makes a huge sail).

I have always found down winders before to be just hard slog with water lapping my ankles and fighting to stay shiney side up the whole way.

On 7 previous occasions I have fallen of 30 -50 plus times on 10kms runs without exageration and really had a miserable time but enjoyed the excersize and the friends around me.

I have never experienced the fun I had this morning and have to say turned me into a frothing grom hooting and freaking out.

Watching water spray off the bow of this beast is a pure delight, looks like a destroyer punching out through the ocean.

When the bow goes under you think sh1t thats it we are gonna broach but it just pops straight up accelerates and keeps going straight woo hoo.

Revin Kevin and I really had a hoot.

Things to think about

Word to the wise watch this board in the wind it will fly off down the road even in a small wind gust. Always get it on the grass and secure it down in some way.

The dihedral in the nose needs a block of foam to be mounted on the pack rack so it does not damage the board and it sits flat.

You must get back on the tail and release the forward rail before it will turn, be nimble on the board to catch the runners cross stepping is a major advatage and the odd drop knee turn is required.

I can see now how a rudder is a major advantage in side wind for sure

I dont care if it its this board or another that does it for you if you find the right one you will finally get to understand what David DJ Perterson has been frothing over for the past 18 months.

As a dedicated surfer who really thought DW was a bit of a wank , I can honestly say after today I have the DOWN WIND BUG for sure.

Taking Kristi and Rich out later STOKED OFF MY HEAD and it isnt prescription drugs this time woooooooooooooo hoooooooooooooooo.

Phill

dtm
dtm
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dtm dtm
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11 Dec 2010 1:35pm
great to see you out on the water Phill
Yeah down winders are super fun but like you said as long as you get the right board i got a 12'6" Lauhi kai hollowed moulded that i dont rate that highly i should have checked this one out first
I was just worried at 30inchs wide it be a beast for my light arse but i do keep hearing good reveiws from the Fanatic
goatman
goatman
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11 Dec 2010 1:50pm
Love ya work Phil, great insight into the board!

I had my first real DW the other week and can now see what the fuss is about so will be looking myself for one eventually.
aus301
aus301
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11 Dec 2010 1:16pm
I paddled the Fanatic at the Corona and can say I was very surprised by how well it went. Certainly didn't have the speed of my Javelin, but I never expected it to. But it was still fast and solid as a rock stability wise. I would love to see someone put it up against the Catalina and few other boards in the class. For mine it far out performed the * brand boards of the same class (I tried them minutes prior to getting on the fanatic) but that could be different for others.
Simondo
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11 Dec 2010 2:36pm
Yes, in the near future we should get the chance for a triple test, with the Catalina, Jav, and Fanatic. I can't get my hands on a borrowed 12'6 Bark, so can't test that one at the moment.
OG SUP
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11 Dec 2010 3:11pm
Hey guys,

My main focus is fun and trying to get fitness back after the injury. I just wanted a board that I could get out in a lot of conditions and not fall off.

I am really just using it to balance on to strenghten up the left MCL and lower back.

What surprised me is that it works so well for such a wide variety of weight ranges and its very forgiving.

The fact it can be a bit of a Homer Simpson board we can all use is great.

Kristi will race it and I think it will be quite competative from what we saw today.

I will post some vid we shot today if I get a chance to down load it.

At Kristi's weight it is a stable table but she seems to be able to surf it well off the tail so should be good and stable for BOP wave entries and exits. It accelerates well out of the hole for such a wide board and finds the troughs well.

Kristi and Rich had a smokin 2k run on the Barwon and now Simmondo and Kristi are going to do a 6.5k run in Corio Bay to finish of the day.

I will be interested to see how it goes on a more serious down winder against the Naish in lumpier runners this afternoon.

I think the Vortice would still be the pick of our boards for the bigger longer off shores with longer period swell but who knows, we will test that too in the coming weeks.

We are right at the bottom end of the learning curve on this stuff so really just dipping the toe.

But I figure its simple if you cant stay on it an get the power to the water your not going anywhere fast.

The board is hard to correct in heavy cross path winds but I guess they all are. You seem to need to over correct and let it drift back on to course and over correct again a bit like tacking a yacht if that makes sense. Again early days lots to play around.

I guess I am also pumped to just get back on the water, Corona did my head in with all the toys and not allowed to touch anything.

Still stoked

Phill





akhawk
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11 Dec 2010 12:51pm
Anyone tried the fanatic in serious down wind conditions? Especially a lighter paddler (approx 80kg) in open ocean and anywhere from 15 to 30 knotts.
laceys lane
laceys lane
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19804 posts
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11 Dec 2010 3:30pm
dtm said...

great to see you out on the water Phill
Yeah down winders are super fun but like you said as long as you get the right board i got a 12'6" Lauhi kai hollowed moulded that i dont rate that highly i should have checked this one out first
I was just worried at 30inchs wide it be a beast for my light arse but i do keep hearing good reveiws from the Fanatic


hi dtm, i guy your size wouldn't need to go to the fly. don't get me wrong- the fly is a good board for the bigger guys, no real other option for them imo.it's reasonably quick, however, the nose is not super suited for bop paddle outs and the surfing in, but i've been told it does quite well in medium dw er's with the wide square tail getting a nice push along. try casso's 'deep', dales 12'6's, new lh square tails and secret agent on the goldie. the bark 12'6's look good, carbon, a bit narrower, less volume and are a similar shape to the fly. i believe naish are working on something too.
tbh, no 12'6 is really going to give you the true dw feeling.i have a very nice 14' er that is doing everything i want it too, but it's a non brand
cheers
cheers
husq2100
husq2100
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11 Dec 2010 3:47pm
laceys lane said...

dtm said...

great to see you out on the water Phill
Yeah down winders are super fun but like you said as long as you get the right board i got a 12'6" Lauhi kai hollowed moulded that i dont rate that highly i should have checked this one out first
I was just worried at 30inchs wide it be a beast for my light arse but i do keep hearing good reveiws from the Fanatic


hi dtm, i guy your size wouldn't need to go to the fly. don't get me wrong- the fly is a good board for the bigger guys, no real other option for them imo.it's reasonably quick, however, the nose is not super suited for bop paddle outs and the surfing in, but i've been told it does quite well in medium dw er's with the wide square tail getting a nice push along. try casso's 'deep', dales 12'6's, new lh square tails. the bark 12'6's look good, carbon, a bit narrower, less volume and are a similar shape to the fly. i believe naish are working on something too.
tbh, no 12'6 is really going to give you the true dw feeling.i have a very nice 14' er that is doing everything i want it too, but it's a non brand
cheers
cheers


I thought you were gone.......
Daneli
Daneli
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11 Dec 2010 4:22pm
laceys lane said...

[ try casso's 'deep'


Hi Lacey, good to hear ya back.

Are these the Dolphin Deep boards like the one on the Buy & Sell Forum.

www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Classifieds/ImageViewer.aspx?id=rsk4-&n=5

Thanks

Nice
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11 Dec 2010 2:36pm
Tryfan said...

A great board comparo would be between the Fanatic and the Surftech Bark 12'6, they look a lot alike...Bark is the one on the left and in some good company. Will get better pics of nose, etc.





Woo up there a second - is that a al merrick sup ? (yeah I know off the topic a bit but I gotta know)
dtm
dtm
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dtm dtm
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11 Dec 2010 5:57pm
laceys lane said...

dtm said...

great to see you out on the water Phill
Yeah down winders are super fun but like you said as long as you get the right board i got a 12'6" Lauhi kai hollowed moulded that i dont rate that highly i should have checked this one out first
I was just worried at 30inchs wide it be a beast for my light arse but i do keep hearing good reveiws from the Fanatic


hi dtm, i guy your size wouldn't need to go to the fly. don't get me wrong- the fly is a good board for the bigger guys, no real other option for them imo.it's reasonably quick, however, the nose is not super suited for bop paddle outs and the surfing in, but i've been told it does quite well in medium dw er's with the wide square tail getting a nice push along. try casso's 'deep', dales 12'6's, new lh square tails. the bark 12'6's look good, carbon, a bit narrower, less volume and are a similar shape to the fly. i believe naish are working on something too.
tbh, no 12'6 is really going to give you the true dw feeling.i have a very nice 14' er that is doing everything i want it too, but it's a non brand
cheers
cheers


yeah Lacey im too small for that board i would love casso DC but might be a bit narrow i wanna demo it as ive only paddle in flat water, i would love a 14 footer too but just dont have the $ atm.
Dan

husq2100
husq2100
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11 Dec 2010 6:36pm
Nice said...

Tryfan said...

A great board comparo would be between the Fanatic and the Surftech Bark 12'6, they look a lot alike...Bark is the one on the left and in some good company. Will get better pics of nose, etc.





Woo up there a second - is that a al merrick sup ? (yeah I know off the topic a bit but I gotta know)


yes, yes it is...by surftech, 3 models I believe...along with the new Jerry's
aus301
aus301
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11 Dec 2010 6:45pm
Nice said...

Tryfan said...

A great board comparo would be between the Fanatic and the Surftech Bark 12'6, they look a lot alike...Bark is the one on the left and in some good company. Will get better pics of nose, etc.





Woo up there a second - is that a al merrick sup ? (yeah I know off the topic a bit but I gotta know)


I spotted an Al Merrick SUP at the Rip Curl shop at Cooly this afternoon, this one didn't look like a surftech, however I could be wrong.

husq2100
husq2100
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2031 posts
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11 Dec 2010 6:51pm
aus301 said...

Nice said...

Tryfan said...

A great board comparo would be between the Fanatic and the Surftech Bark 12'6, they look a lot alike...Bark is the one on the left and in some good company. Will get better pics of nose, etc.





Woo up there a second - is that a al merrick sup ? (yeah I know off the topic a bit but I gotta know)


I spotted an Al Merrick SUP at the Rip Curl shop at Cooly this afternoon, this one didn't look like a surftech, however I could be wrong.




those ones are FREAKIN huge, I mean If King Kong needed a sup, they have him covered..... As far as im aware they are not Surftech at all. The one in Scotty's(tryfan) pic, which is the Greenline shop, is a surftech model.

Simondo
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11 Dec 2010 8:36pm
Regarding Merrick SUP's, they've been doing them for a while. There was a big SUP Fish a few years back, Rob Machado influence. Plus they have been doing "The Stand Up Caddy" model. It has the customary "Merrick Hips" at the side fins. I think this model might even be shipped in from The USA (or maybe Mexico??), rather than Thailand, but I'm not sure....
http://www.cisurfboards.com/sb_caddi.asp

And a special edition for Rob below.
Tryfan
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256 posts
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11 Dec 2010 8:14pm
Sorry Phil, didn't mean to hijack your post on race/downwinders but only had the one pic of the Bark as it got damaged by transport co and is in getting fixed so can be demo'd next week.

Have posted separately some pics of the Merrick sups to get this post back on topic.

Scotty
boylos
boylos
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11 Dec 2010 9:21pm

Pleased to here your back on the water (how did your back pull up?) and great pics/review

Will be interested to here your views on the Fanatic vs the other boards especially the C4 Vortice XP .

Boylos




OG SUP
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11 Dec 2010 9:21pm
akhawk said...

Anyone tried the fanatic in serious down wind conditions? Especially a lighter paddler (approx 80kg) in open ocean and anywhere from 15 to 30 knotts.


HeyAkHawk, Kristi paddled the fly in 25 - 45knts + today and it picks up runners really easily and links them and it stays on them. She did push the nose under once and it behaved itself and came up but did not buck her off.

Kristi was able to stay with Simon for quite a while until the weather got extreme and she simply did not have the power to keep up paddling on as time went by.

The fly 12.6 certainly did not link runners like Simon on the 17 naish who caught some 200 - 300m runs but Kristi does not have Simons experience on how to do this yet either. I also wouldnt expect the 12'6 to match a 17 in those conditions,

I agree with lacey its probably more aimed at the bigger or less experienced paddler that wants stability or a lighter paddler that wants a more stable boaty board.

Phill

Simondo
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11 Dec 2010 9:30pm
On the drive home I was thinking....

1) Last night Kristi said, "I don't really notice stability, because I paddle around on my 8'0 a lot, and everything else just feels really stable."
2) She would be one of the few people that would fly on the 14 Jav on DW conditions, and keep it right side up !
3) A Dean Snow 15' custom DW'er would be great for her! Dean, I already said you can borrow the 17 for examination.
OG SUP
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11 Dec 2010 9:36pm
boylos said...


Pleased to here your back on the water (how did your back pull up?) and great pics/review

Will be interested to here your views on the Fanatic vs the other boards especially the C4 Vortice XP .

Boylos

Hi Craig,

was only on water for very short time but so much fun. The fanatic is much easier to stay shiney side up on thats for sure, but they are very different boards.

If you lean on the rail of the Vortice mid board it actually imo act like a rudder and you can steer it to a degree mid board angle off to the cross wind and I love that.

The fly I found was hard to paddle in a cross wind and I needed to constantly drop knee to turn the board and keep it in the direction I wanted to go. This means cross stepping back and forward and for some this might be a problem.

I have not paddled either in open ocean so could not compare but I will ask Kristi to post her thoughs as she has done the 6.5 km Corio run on both in similar conditions.

Phill





OG SUP
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11 Dec 2010 9:43pm
Tryfan said...

Sorry Phil, didn't mean to hijack your post on race/downwinders but only had the one pic of the Bark as it got damaged by transport co and is in getting fixed so can be demo'd next week.

Have posted separately some pics of the Merrick sups to get this post back on topic.

Scotty


Hey Scotty all good mate its all about learning and we know jack, I had heard the Bark was a copy of the fly or vicy verka???? do you know?

Phill
Tryfan
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11 Dec 2010 9:26pm
The two are pretty close in looks all round, specs are close, but different with the Fanatic a bit wider.
Here's a short vid of the Bark. Looks like a proto, so some minor differences to the one we get here.


OG SUP
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21 Dec 2010 10:11pm
Questions for the more learned.

I took the gps out on the Fanatic to measure ave speed max speed etc.

I took off on a couple of small 6 - 12 inch runners on the river and saw the max speed go out to 9.5kn????

Seemed a little fast, so I calibrated the gps against 2 other gps and they are accurate to within .25kn over a 20 min run.

So lets round it down to say 9kn worst case still seems fast.

Any ideas:

Phill
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