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akhawk
akhawk
WA
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17 Feb 2008 2:01pm
I'm keen to give SUP a go but it seems really pricey to start off with new gear and there doesn't seem to be much of a market in 2nd hand gear as yet. Is it possible to start off on an old windsurfer or I have seen those soft beginner surf boards for sale that are 9ft and really big and floaty, or am I better off getting straight onto the real thing?
champcrow
champcrow
SA
804 posts
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17 Feb 2008 3:49pm
Hey there akhawk,

Im only new new as well mate (had my own board for 2 months) but from all the research that i did for 6 months before i found that with most beginners the board length should be at least 11 foot plus long and 30 inches wide, otherwise the board becomes to tippy in the slightest bit of chop. In my situation i had only ever surfed once and had been kiteboarding for about 2 years on and off and i bought the 11''6' naish SUP and didn't fall off at all on my first try because the correct set up allowed me to pick up the basics quicker.

I hope this helps a bit but like i said i haven't been doing this long either, good luck and watch out its addictive......lol
akhawk
akhawk
WA
1085 posts
WA, 1085 posts
17 Feb 2008 2:43pm
I'm an addicted windsurfer and a surfer however my surfing is as useless as boobs on a bull. The versatility of sup appeals to me as it can be paddled flat water, surf, attach a rig, and also I imagine there would be nothing stopping me getting a canoe style paddle for the kiddies to potter around on.
I was wondering about starting off on another board ie old windsurfer as old boards of that length are worth nothing and people are usually throwing them away as opposed to going out and spending $2000 straight away on a sup board. That way I can give it a go get the some of the basics before looking into investing into the real deal. Is this a feasible way of starting or am I kidding myself? Also are there places around Perth that hire?
Thanks for any advice.
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
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WA, 3183 posts
17 Feb 2008 3:15pm
hey akhawk,,,

i'm in the same boat as you.... i want one, but struggling to get the 2000 together.


i was thinking of an old windsurfer, or Tencate.....been lookin on the net, but none around.

Steve at WindForce has one u can demo, (on the river) a naish 11'6..... i took it out for a sail and paddle yesterday. At 90kg, this board was super stable for me and maybe an option..... (take your own rig, if u want to sail it!)

Also Alberto at Windshack may be able to demo naish and mistral, not sure though...best to ring.

can i suggest if you do get one, get one with a masttrack 4 windsurf option...u get that bit of bonus extra thing to do and it was suprisingly quite good fun....i'd love to take one out 4 a sail in mellow waves....(greenroom)

good luck
akhawk
akhawk
WA
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17 Feb 2008 3:41pm
Going the mast track will be automatic! Seeing as windsurfing is my current number 1 addiction and waster of hard earned $. We never seem to learn and look for new addictions to add to the list and fork out more money for.
We had a council street side rubbish collection recently where there were several old sailboards being chucked out.
I know at the Balcatta recycling station there are always old sail boards of similar length that they ask $20 each for where if you lost foot straps etc might do for the short time.
They don't look as nice as those Naish sup paddle boards though.
akhawk
akhawk
WA
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17 Feb 2008 3:44pm
If we are going to be real tight arses though, maybe we could start at wind force, move to windshack and various other suppliers to "demo" boards we may get a years use before even thinking of biting the bullet and purchasing one!
kitersi
kitersi
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
17 Feb 2008 7:37pm
Hey akhawk,
I have just purchased a state of the art SUP board from Balcatta tip for $10.
It's an old windsurfer which is about 11' long. I have tried it in my swimming pool and it seems ok to learn on. My thinking is that once I learn on this I can purchase a new board around 10' which in my opinion is going to be a better board for the surf however not so good to learn on.
I have convinced a couple of mates to do the same and we are just in the process of modifying some old canoe paddles.
If you see us down at the beach just north of Hillarys boat harbour next weekend, don't laugh, come over and give it a go.
Cheers
Simon
phoenix
phoenix
WA
51 posts
WA, 51 posts
17 Feb 2008 8:18pm
Full respect to suping but is it really that muc different to malriding i surf mals and mini mals ....where is the increased enjoyment factor..is the factthat your standing all the time and its easier..please educate me
akhawk
akhawk
WA
1085 posts
WA, 1085 posts
17 Feb 2008 8:35pm
I surf mini mals (badly!) I think the thing that appeals to me about the sup surfing is the variety. Even though I've never tried it, it seems to allow you to get out and get wet in any conditions, anywhere which is the main appeal to me (especially now I realise you can put a sail on them)
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
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17 Feb 2008 9:08pm
kitersi said...

Hey akhawk,
I have just purchased a state of the art SUP board from Balcatta tip for $10.
It's an old windsurfer which is about 11' long. I have tried it in my swimming pool and it seems ok to learn on. My thinking is that once I learn on this I can purchase a new board around 10' which in my opinion is going to be a better board for the surf however not so good to learn on.
I have convinced a couple of mates to do the same and we are just in the process of modifying some old canoe paddles.
If you see us down at the beach just north of Hillarys boat harbour next weekend, don't laugh, come over and give it a go.
Cheers
Simon

Hey Simon
If there is a bit of wind SUPing sucks. I just go in the marina. If you can surf and or windsurf, learning to SUP takes 5mins... literally! The rest just comes with time.
An old windsurfer might have the length but does it have the width?
The width is the key to balance and stability. If you look at the specs of the shorter SUPS they still have the width eg 30". These shorter SUPS are more for use in bigger surf like Yals etc I had my 11'2 out at Metts the other week in waves that were closing out and I was struggling to keep the nose outta the water but getting onto the waves was a walk in the park.
If you wanna SUP in Perth especially durring summer there is no point getting a 9' or 10' board. The length makes the board get onto waves easier. I wouldnt go much smaller than 11'
IMO using an old windsurfer might throw you off SUPing?
Just go out and demo some. You can try the Naish 11'6 down at Peli Point. This will give you a taste for the sport.
If the swell is tiny I usually go in the marina so give me a pm if you wanna catch up.
Otherwise if the swell is around I usually go to Trigg Point towards the end of the day when its less crowded and just paddle around the reefs and up to Metts etc
See you out there


phoenix
phoenix
WA
51 posts
WA, 51 posts
17 Feb 2008 9:11pm
yeh hawkie me thinks that would be the appeal for me...wacking on a sail in light conditions and just cruising through the line up...(sought off in small conditions)..then maybe getting som waves..but dont know how it woul work with sail in light winds if board travs faster then wind when on wave (backwinded??)...youd be sought of back to square one i would thought
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
17 Feb 2008 9:14pm
Oh and also before I bought the SUP I had only ever riden a longboard once. The biggest shortboard I have ever riden was 6'8 and that was to learn on.
I have left the paddle on the beach and normall paddled my 11'2 and it was super sick! I was able to catch waves that even the longest long boarder couldnt. A way to make enemies in the surf for sure and bad karma. So I was finding I had to give away waves.
Go on get one you know you wanna
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
17 Feb 2008 9:22pm
SUP sailing

phoenix
phoenix
WA
51 posts
WA, 51 posts
17 Feb 2008 9:22pm
ahhhh the truth comes out...wave stealers!!!!!!
SUPS AUST
SUPS AUST
23 posts
23 posts
17 Feb 2008 10:15pm
for those of you looking for cheap gear, you can start out with a plastic/alloy paddle for around $50 or put one together yourself fairly easily if you can get hold of a some old canoe paddles and kayak paddles. you can save yourself the hassle and get them online for $50 though. just google "stand up paddle surf australia" and youll find them.
for a board -old windusrfers will float you if they are big enough, but dont bother taking them anywhere near the waves. it just doesnt work. fine for flat water though. you dont necessarily need a board over 11ft to learn on. its quite feasible to learn on a 10ft board that is 29-30 inches wide if you start in flat glassy water and arent over 90kg. With SUP you will definitely grow into your gear. It doesnt take long to get the hand of a smaller board. if you plan on doing a bit of surfing, a shorter board is definitely the go.
there arent many second hand boards around, but boards are getting cheaper and cheaper. you can get a package deal for a new SUP and carbon paddle for less than $1300 these days.
second hand boards can also be found on the same website as the cheap alloy paddles. just google "stand up paddle surf australia". There is something for everyone there. I also have a few of my own that i havent listed yet. email me if you want any details. and if want instructions on making a paddle, let me know.
Revvin
Revvin
VIC
299 posts
VIC, 299 posts
18 Feb 2008 5:31pm
I got an old windsurfer of ebay for $22, I live on a peninsula so when its southerly or easterly and the surf is blown out, I paddle around in the bay coz I can find a spot sheltered from those winds, its 12' long and 26" wide, its OK while its nice and smooth but once there is any sort of chop its really tippy,

Its heaps of fun and its getting me on the water and giving me some exercise when the surf is on shore and until I decide on what SUB I want and save up the moula,

I got one of the SUPS AUST alloy paddles couriered down from qld to vic, mainly coz I couldnt source the paddle bits easily, SUPS Aust were helpful, reasonable courier price and its fine for what I am doing at the moment.

when I do get a proper SUB I will surf it as well as flatwater paddle, but only when the surf is small,
waxer
waxer
SA
247 posts
SA, 247 posts
20 Feb 2008 3:46pm
Gday as an old longboard surfer I stole DJ's idea and got out the old windsurfer and made my own paddle.Whilst you do get a rough idea of what SUP is probably like ,it could put some people off.The windsurfer for me is quite unstable (I am 100kgs and 6'4") it is do able on flat water with little wind,a friend who is lighter,shorter ,and younger has less stability problems as you would expect.We both surf longboards often and were keen to give SUP a go at little cost,but we could not use the windsurfer in surf without much much more practice if ever.I have not gone the extra yard yet and bought a dedicated board as I am unsure about how much use I would get out of it ,as when there is surf we normally longboard.Some thing which does get me leaning towards the Naish etc is the mast track as I used to windsurf when there was no surf,when it's flat and no wind the exercise aspect of SUP would be good.Until I hire or try to borrow a proper SUP board I think I have some reservations about stability etc for use in surf.My advice would be try the windsurfer to get some sort of feel for it but from what I have heard don't base too many assumptions on it's stability etc,as the proper board will be a lot different.
akhawk
akhawk
WA
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20 Feb 2008 8:37pm
I agree with all that you have said, but if you can get a throw away old sailboard and a home made paddle, its cost you nothing so owes you nothing. It could be a starting point to learn some of the most basic techniques while you work out what would be the best board to get so not jumping in too early and spending a lot of money on a board that you grow out of.
uk
uk
198 posts
uk uk
198 posts
22 Feb 2008 5:20am
Im with you there mate, i just got a cheap windsurf board its about the right size
to float me and i dont see a problem.if you search "stand up paddle"on youtube
somewhere there is footage of a guy on an old board on a river shooting rapids,he looks like hes got it sorted,although he complains its "abit tippy" it still proves to me it can be done.I hope to try mine soon although here in uk sea temp is V cold.


Just refound that footage search-"stand up paddling white water river "
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
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22 Feb 2008 10:15am
G'day UK..I don't think this is the same vid but check it out...It's amazing.

It's a new thing called 'Stand up Kayaking'..

I wonder where they got the idea from..

DJ

click here...



For some odd reason that vid doesn't seem to work now..You may get to it from here.. www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=871.0
uk
uk
198 posts
uk uk
198 posts
23 Feb 2008 7:21pm
Good day to you sir

yes that looks good but its not the same vid.but it kinda proves if its got enough
float you can stand up (although not nessesarily surf).been relooking at my windsurf board and the rails look abit on the hard side infact they come down to
a square edge the length of the board i dont know how this will effect it,guess
i just got to give it a try. Gday. Ian
kitersi
kitersi
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
23 Feb 2008 10:08pm
I have been playing around on the old $10 windsurfer (11'3"x27"x4"+) and are having an OK time. Certainly not the stoke everyone is on about. I had never tried a proper SUP board until today, where I was lent a demo Naish 11'6".
What a difference! Half the weight(one person can lift it off the car and carry it easily) It's so much more stable and it allowed me to appreciate that this sport has the potential of being a lot more fun.
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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17570 posts
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24 Feb 2008 2:35am
If you think the 11'6" is light..just wait till you lift a 10'6"..It feels half the weight..

I lashed out and bought my first sup because I thought I was going to give myself a hernia lifting the old plastic wally on and off the roof of my car..

DJ



Ben dover
Ben dover
QLD
504 posts
QLD, 504 posts
26 Feb 2008 9:19pm
Hi David

I see you dont have any grip or wax!

U obviously dont go out in the surf.

So do u just use crocs for paddleing around the flat water?
Cruiser1755
Cruiser1755
QLD
235 posts
QLD, 235 posts
26 Feb 2008 10:51pm
Whitewater vid was good It was interesting to see the guy use some classic canoe technique that worked quite well. Tried some canoe strokes on a SUP about a year ago and found the same good response. (my only ever go on a SUP by the way) Looking around now at what to buy.
uk
uk
198 posts
uk uk
198 posts
27 Feb 2008 12:00am
you see all this info says to me you dont need to have a long and wide board,Gong do a board here in europe called "nanogene" its only 7'7" long, i know the blokes a pro but look how stable it is on flat water(it looks like hes standing on a table)
i think at the mo i will stick with falling off a windsurfer theres too many variations and miss information for me to spend big money.
having said all that though the nanogene suits my needs(storage,transportation,surfability and at £499 delivered its a fair price)
DAM wheres my cheque book

tell me what ya think though-gong nanogene. see ya. Ian


DavidJohn
DavidJohn
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27 Feb 2008 2:18am
Ben dover said...

Hi David

I see you dont have any grip or wax!

U obviously dont go out in the surf.

So do u just use crocs for paddleing around the flat water?


I've only had this Naish board a couple of weeks now..and I'm just about to put deck grip on so I can get it into the waves.

Tomorrow I plan to put a couple of leash plugs in the center of the deck..(ala C4)...and then on goes the deck grip..I can't wait to get it in the surf.

I've used the crocs in the surf on past boards and they work ok except for being a little too grippy..and I've also had them twist and come off in a wipeout.

I ended up gluing a yoga mat on my last board so I would not have to wear the crocs in the waves.

So..Yes you're right..I've just been using the crocs on my new board for flat water stuff lately.

BTW...even after I get my new deck grip on and start using this board in the waves..I will continue to use crocs on flat water..and anywhere that you might cut you feet if you jump in..There's nothing worse than feet cuts.

I've been thinking about these AC's.. www.activecasual.com/index.html ...They might work better than crocs.

DJ



WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
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27 Feb 2008 12:30am
shoes might help to stop the deck getting soft points from 'heel presure'

seen a well used SUP that had soft spots in the middle.....this happens to windsurfers a lot, in the gybe/slogging spot.
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