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LouD
LouD
WA
642 posts
WA, 642 posts
2 Jun 2008 11:51pm
Hi SUP 'ers

Need to find a new sport as have ongoing back problem making kiting more and more difficult.
Have heard that SUP'ing really good for core strengthening etc. Is this so? Do any of you die hards have back problems from stand up?

Appreciate your thoughts
Thanks
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
3 Jun 2008 12:02am
Do any of you die hards have back problems from stand up?


yes. facet joint - lower back


cause: too long a sesh with a heavy paddle and no stretching pre paddle.


dont let me put u off , I think it will be good for you, just ease yourself into it, u give your body a vigarous workout but your havin so much fun u don't realise you've over cooked it....then 48 hrs later u pay the price
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
3 Jun 2008 2:37am
My back's not great and I think SUP has been the best thing for it..Just make sure your paddle is long enough and stand upright with a straight back and you'll be fine.

DJ
kitersi
kitersi
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
3 Jun 2008 7:32am
Hi Lou,
Havn't seen you for a while. I have mostly been kiting City Beach and Trigg.
I have a dodgy lower back having bulged a disc on two occasions. I have found SUPing has strengthened my stomach. It is a good core muscle workout however as windy says "don't over do it at the start, ease yourself into it"
I also take Glucosemine and Calcium tablets and have found that has helped with the back pain.
Carrying the board and loading it on the car is where I'm wary of another back injury.
Give me a call if you keen to give SUPing a go. You can have a paddle on my board.
Flat water in the marina is a good place to start.
Cheers
Simon M
Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
SA
2060 posts
SA, 2060 posts
3 Jun 2008 10:26am
Yer Lou start out slowly, short easy sessions for a while. I injured my back windsurfing and thats why I started sup, to try and build up core muscles. It seems to have worked although backs take a long time to heal. Also adding to the Glucosemine tablets I use a amino acid called BCAA. (branch chain amino acid). Its used by body builders for recovery after a workout. I use it when my back feels sore and after surfing/activity etc. For my back the BCAA seemed to give equal recovery as anti imflamitories. But its natural and heaps better for you. Worth a try.
Regards,
Scott
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
3 Jun 2008 11:25am
kitersi said...



Carrying the board and loading it on the car is where I'm wary of another back injury.



I agree with kitersi...That's where the real problem is for sure.

Buy aboard that's light..and that has a carry hand-hole..Something like the Naish..

DJ

JonathanC
JonathanC
VIC
1024 posts
VIC, 1024 posts
3 Jun 2008 11:49am
I'm also in the bad back club, did Pilates for years but think that SUP has been more effective than Pilates to help. I've got a 4WD VW van and I'm short so the loading is a bit of a pain, particularly because I take it off at home as well. Looked at the Hullavator, pretty whacko but they are available here for about $700 - really started to consider this because I often have two boards (kids, friends) and I always seem to end up loading because I'm paranoid about people smashing the boards into the van, tree, small children, walls etc. I've seen the rack take two boards easily, just need to pad it a little differently for boards rather than kayaks. Agree that technique and correct paddle is your friend but it really is the most fun way to a strong core. I'd be a little wary of the Naish boards, heard of people getting retina damage on sunny days from the yellow glare!!!
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
3 Jun 2008 12:23pm
The best thing about flat water SUP as exercise is you can paddle as slowly and gently as you want. You don't have to stop when you get tired, just paddle slower.

I am thinking just standing and paddling on flat water could cause some back pain similar to standing around at a party or at work all day. Perhaps mixing slow paddling and sprints is the go to recruit the rest of your body and avoid excess pressure on disks. Add a little bit of wind and small chop and your legs are going to be working a bit so you should be able to get enough movement happening to avoid repetition strain.

As a relative newbie my paddle stroke changes almost every time I go out. Straight paddle, short stroke, long stroke, J-paddle, diagonal paddle, feathering, circular paddle, knee dips, angled feet, kick turns, back paddling, kneeling, etc etc. There's heaps of ways you can get variety into the workout.

As has been mentioned, lifting the board above your head to get it on a roof rack is potentially hazardous to your back, especially if you are tired after a long paddle. It hasn't bothered me yet but I could see it being a problem. Carrying the board on your head eliminates most of those problems but the grip deck is kind of rough on a bald head.

As for kiting , have you tried a variety of harnesses and stances to sort your back problems? I used a seat harness for years then switched to a waist harness. The seat harness was overloading my lower back during toe-side riding. The waist harness is less restrictive so I can move my body into more comfortable positions and use the muscles to maintain a good position. The off-axis pull also makes huge wipeouts less stressful.
LouD
LouD
WA
642 posts
WA, 642 posts
3 Jun 2008 4:05pm
Thanks for the excellent feedback. Just what I wanted to hear! Now I can justify the expense to wife as something essential for my health.

Simon, thought that was you in the photo on anothr SUP thread. Thanks for offer-might take you up on that.

Mmmmm, now which board should I get!

Anyway , thanks again
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
3 Jun 2008 7:00pm
If you want to do it to help with the health of your back make sure you get something big and floaty to start with..IMO

Sinky or tippy boards require a lot of bending and twisting to balance if the going gets rough..and that may aggravate a bad back.

How heavy are you?

DJ
oliver
oliver
3952 posts
3952 posts
3 Jun 2008 7:21pm
I find paddling really good for my posture. I haven't got a bad back but am working on it by having a sedentary job. I ride to work so my legs are good but paddling has allowed me to build up my upper body while having lots of fun.

The boards are quite light at 10 - 12kg but they could be problematic lifting onto roof racks, especially if there's a bit of wind about.

The best board is the board you feel comfortable with buying - there are quite a few to choose from - try a few out. Think about if you want it more for flat water/surf if you want a sail option. Look for construction issues, such as carry handles, deckpads etc. Then narrow down the selection of boards that are going to work best for your weight.

I think it's also worthwhile investing a long and light carbon paddle - just adds to the experience.
SF
SF
NSW
161 posts
SF SF
NSW, 161 posts
3 Jun 2008 9:50pm
I have a bad back and paddling has improved my core strength which has reduced my back pain. I would recommend paddling for a couple of months in flat water to get your technique right and get your strength up. It is easy to get excited in the surf and push too hard.

Steve
kitersi
kitersi
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
3 Jun 2008 8:07pm
Hi Louis,

If you have an old windsurfer take it to the marina and practice paddling. I have a spare paddle you can borrow.
If you do this for a month your technique and confidence will improve. You will then find that when your ready to fork out the $$$$ on a new board you will be able to get something a little smaller. Perhaps 10' to 11'

Cheers
Si
JohnDavid
JohnDavid
VIC
181 posts
VIC, 181 posts
3 Jun 2008 10:11pm
Lou (and others), my physio (who is also my son) tells me that SUP is a great strengthening workout for your core muscles. As well as being a physio, he has first hand experience of chronic back problems, so I listen to him!
I have found that sea-kayaking, and SUP, helps keep my back strong and supple. In fact, when I don't exercise is when I get back problems. I don't have a problem lifting the board onto the roof, but if I have to carry it a long way to the water I'll use a kayak trolley, which I always keep in the back of the car for that reason.
Keep paddling, and keep fit!
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
3 Jun 2008 9:21pm
There is plenty of evidence already by the people who have posted, but I thought I might just add my story.
I screwed my back when I was 14 at Jungle Gym. Landed head first with my hands by my side into a foam pit. My mates and I were trying to do tripple forward flips off the tramampoline I compressed my spine and since then Ive always had problems... BUT since SUPing I havent had a single morning when I have woken up with a tweeked back!
I also did my knee windsurfing and now that too has never felt better!
Im amazed at the way SUPing helps your body in a good way. But saying that Ive had some pretty nasty accidents resulting in getting hit by my board
I say go for it!
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