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And the wind began to howl.

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Created by DavidJohn > 9 months ago, 2 Oct 2016
DavidJohn
VIC, 17570 posts
3 Oct 2016 12:21AM
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Today on the bay..

cantSUPenough
VIC, 2131 posts
3 Oct 2016 6:35AM
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Wow - that looked properly windy! I wondered if you would go out. Was the wind in the right direction or did you have to angle across it? Looked like fun!

Area10
1508 posts
3 Oct 2016 3:38AM
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Awesome vid, and awesome conditions. You've outdone yourself again DJ. You caught some crackers there, and it was interesting to see what the Maliko does when the nose catches a little. That board is going to prove a great camera sled for you.

JEG
VIC, 1469 posts
3 Oct 2016 10:21AM
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nice one DJ and the maliko good.
who's on that Allstar and what size width that board 27" or 24.5"?

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
3 Oct 2016 3:02PM
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JEG said..
nice one DJ and the maliko good.
who's on that Allstar and what size width that board 27" or 24.5"?


That was me on the ZU's 2017 14' x 27". I'll stick up some video at some point when I get a chance.

JEG
VIC, 1469 posts
3 Oct 2016 3:12PM
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PTWoody said..

JEG said..
nice one DJ and the maliko good.
who's on that Allstar and what size width that board 27" or 24.5"?



That was me on the ZU's 2017 14' x 27". I'll stick up some video at some point when I get a chance.


ok and how do you find the 27" wide for DW and did you think about the 28" wide for DW its got that side blowout holes. looking forward to your vid?

Krist
QLD, 288 posts
3 Oct 2016 7:09PM
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PTWoody , can I ask if you know why the 27 has more ltrs then the 28 is it to help it dw if you know cheers K

DavidJohn
VIC, 17570 posts
3 Oct 2016 9:23PM
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More from yesterday..

FranRios
46 posts
3 Oct 2016 7:39PM
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Buenas condiciones, no? ;-)) DJ
Increible

FranRios
46 posts
3 Oct 2016 7:45PM
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....y como va la maliko, vestial!!!
Un abrazo DJ
Fran

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
3 Oct 2016 11:09PM
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Honking !! ............. But the red shirt is flaring ! Nice to see some red on the board though !

Area10
1508 posts
3 Oct 2016 11:35PM
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Another great vid. Looked like PT was going to poke you in the butt there for a moment.

It looks like you are being pretty careful not to take off too far forward on the Maliko. These fairly flat-rocker hybrid planing boards tend to encourage a different approach to DWing I find. Because of the extra footwork involved at take-off, it is rewarding to just stay on the bumps by paddling like hell if necessary to keep momentum, rather than taking a more relaxed stop-start approach you get in short period stuff on a heavily-rockered board. It's fast. But it is also knackering.

There was at least one time there where it looked like you just got blown onto a bump without paddling, and that is just a great feeling.

obijohn
149 posts
4 Oct 2016 5:03AM
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Another couple of great videos! I loved the way that you timed the Santana music to pick up the beat right as you hit the wind line; great editing.
I noticed in the first vid that there was a guy in your group on a 14' Blue Planet Bumprider. Do you know whether that was the 28" or 30" model? Do you have any input on either of those boards?

DavidJohn
VIC, 17570 posts
4 Oct 2016 8:08AM
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obijohn said...
Another couple of great videos! I loved the way that you timed the Santana music to pick up the beat right as you hit the wind line; great editing.
I noticed in the first vid that there was a guy in your group on a 14' Blue Planet Bumprider. Do you know whether that was the 28" or 30" model? Do you have any input on either of those boards?


It's a 28" wide Blue Planet DW board.. (bump rider?)

It's a very nice board and he does very well on it..

DavidJohn
VIC, 17570 posts
4 Oct 2016 8:11AM
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FranRios said...
....y como va la maliko, vestial!!!
Un abrazo DJ
Fran


I'm not sure what you said but here's a new vid from Naish showing all about the new Maliko..


Helmy
VIC, 799 posts
4 Oct 2016 9:19AM
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SandS said..
Honking !! ............. But the red shirt is flaring ! Nice to see some red on the board though !


SandS,

The hi-vis tops are something that we are trying to get everyone to wear on DW's in Melbourne.

We had a friendly power-boater (also kiter / windsurfer) motor over to us off StKilda one day last year. He pointed out that of the group of 6-7 of us out that day, he could only see the 2 of us in hi-vis tops.
As he pointed out, when you're speeding along in a power boat, you're not going to see a person standing on a board against a backdrop of wind, whitecaps and dark coloured water unless the paddler has a hi-vis top on. In particular the orange or red colours stand out best.

Just another basic and easy safety facet that every DW paddler should be conscious of and adhering to.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
4 Oct 2016 11:44AM
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Krist said..
PTWoody , can I ask if you know why the 27 has more ltrs then the 28 is it to help it dw if you know cheers K



The 28 is a different design to the other All Stars. It has remained the same as the 2016 board whereas all the others are a new shape with a pointier piercing nose and more volume up front.. The 28 is meant as a big boy downwind board but not really a race board. It's one of those situations that Area 10 was talking about recently when he said volume is not necessarily a relevant guide for rider weight and stability. The 28 is more stable than the 27 even though it is "only" 309 litres compared with 322. The volume of the 27 is in the nose to help it pop up, whereas the 28 has more rocker and doesn't need the pop up volume. Of course, that restricted waterline makes the 28 slower in flat water which is why I say it is not a genuine speedy race board in all conditions. The 28 also has a narrower tail than the 27.

Just to highlight the point about volume not being a good indicator of stability, the 28 is actually the exact same volume as the 24.5, yet Starboard recommends rider weights of 80-115kg for the 28 but only 60-85kg for the 24.5. So clearly and predictably, the 24.5 is a considerably tippier board than the 28 despite the volume being the same.

darrenm
24 posts
4 Oct 2016 4:35PM
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Well here we go, my first post although i am a long time viewer of the site!! DJ, This question may have been posed before, what are you using to mount your camera and how are you fixing it to the board?The quality of the videos is really high. They are great.

Gorgo
VIC, 5124 posts
4 Oct 2016 10:00PM
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You should get one of these and wear it backwards next time you do a downwinder.

www.indiegogo.com/projects/wingjump-the-world-s-first-wings-for-skiing-family-fun#/

Krist
QLD, 288 posts
4 Oct 2016 11:12PM
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Perfect explanation PTWoody , Thankyou for taking the time , I was sure I was getting the Allstar 27 but after reading what Area10 was saying about nose size and fin placement I am taking into account the Naish now ? But I still think it's a sic fx or a Allstar for me I think you have to love the whole board including the look and I have been admiring these two brands since I got the bug cheers K

DavidJohn
VIC, 17570 posts
6 Oct 2016 10:37AM
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darrenm said...
Well here we go, my first post although i am a long time viewer of the site!! DJ, This question may have been posed before, what are you using to mount your camera and how are you fixing it to the board?The quality of the videos is really high. They are great.


Thanks.. and a lot of my older vids show what my home made camera mount looks like with its pvc pipes and lots of duct tape.. and just using old GoPro2 camera's..

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
12 Oct 2016 6:00PM
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JEG said..
nice one DJ and the maliko good.
who's on that Allstar and what size width that board 27" or 24.5"?


JEG
VIC, 1469 posts
12 Oct 2016 9:37PM
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Thanks PTWoody and nice to see the blue star showing it's color for a change!

Krist
QLD, 288 posts
12 Oct 2016 9:46PM
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Gday PTWoody can I ask you if the Allstar nose steered please also prepared to DJ's board the Allstar seemed to want to ride over the wave and not bury the nose of course more nose volume but did you find any trouble with side swell and side wind with the more boulbus nose cheers Ksorry for all the Questions but I got to ride the sic fx and taken that out of the equation, did have my heart set on the Allstar but was so impressed with DJ's footage I am seriously considering buying my first Naish cheers again

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
12 Oct 2016 10:55PM
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Krist said..
Gday PTWoody can I ask you if the Allstar nose steered please also prepared to DJ's board the Allstar seemed to want to ride over the wave and not bury the nose of course more nose volume but did you find any trouble with side swell and side wind with the more boulbus nose cheers Ksorry for all the Questions but I got to ride the sic fx and taken that out of the equation, did have my heart set on the Allstar but was so impressed with DJ's footage I am seriously considering buying my first Naish cheers again


Hey Krist, the 2017 All Star has a combination of more volume in the nose but also a sharper nose profile so even if you do hit the wave in front, it tends to pierce and then rise up very quickly to skirt over the wave - a combination of planing and displacing that really works. It's a terrific improvement. On this day, we had a slightly offshore wind direction and to be perfectly honest, it effected me more than DJ. I will admit though, my backhand skills are nowhere near as refined as DJ's so I can't say whether that shows the Starboard is worse off in side wind and side swell than the Naish or whether it was my own deficiencies.

Slab
1125 posts
13 Oct 2016 5:25AM
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All these big nosed boards are affected in sidewinds....my 2016 Allstar does.....I am surprised that these race DW shapes are not losing the volume upfront rather than adding to it. Fine if your wind and swell is lined up but you will suffer a bit when paddling across wind. I think the new Naish is in the right direction and the JL Sidewinder....and the SIC boards.

Not saying that i hat I don't like my Starby....I reckon it is a great board.....but know it's limitations.

JEG
VIC, 1469 posts
13 Oct 2016 9:04AM
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thanks for the feedback PTWoody.
good point Slab.
Krist, choose your color and let us know?



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