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New to racing- board selection

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Created by tomo77 > 9 months ago, 6 Feb 2011
tomo77
NSW, 26 posts
6 Feb 2011 8:47PM
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Hi guys,
Im after some wisdom on which board you would recommend for a beginner who wants to get into racing. Im interested in buying a 12'6 LH but after reading a few reviews it sounds like it may be a little tippy for me. Maybe the Glide 12?? My question is-- What board would you recommend for a first timer looking to get into doing a few downwinders and other flatwater racing?? I would also like to use same board for recreational flatwater riding and crosstraining..
Thanks Heaps in advance.
Tomo.

Zimbo Reagan
WA, 469 posts
6 Feb 2011 5:57PM
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tomo77 said...

Hi guys,
Im after some wisdom on which board you would recommend for a beginner who wants to get into racing. Im interested in buying a 12'6 LH but after reading a few reviews it sounds like it may be a little tippy for me. Maybe the Glide 12?? My question is-- What board would you recommend for a first timer looking to get into doing a few downwinders and other flatwater racing?? I would also like to use same board for recreational flatwater riding and crosstraining..
Thanks Heaps in advance.
Tomo.


Heh Tomo welcome to the Breeze.

For your situation I would go the Naish Glide good all round board. Have not tried the Lahui Kai 12'6 but may be a bit more race orientated than casual cruiser/fitness/race.

One of the downsides with the glide is that for racing it is not the quickest out there as it tends IMO to push a lot of water compared to other boards.

But saying that it has a great construction and great for your situation.




tomo77
NSW, 26 posts
6 Feb 2011 9:16PM
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Thanks for your advice Zimbo,
Is there any other boards out there you would recommend for me over the glide??

tomo77
NSW, 26 posts
6 Feb 2011 9:32PM
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Hmmm!!

very interesteing.. what do you guys think about the C4 switchblade??. From what i have red so far it looks like it could be right down my alley

DavidJohn
VIC, 17570 posts
6 Feb 2011 10:09PM
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The 12' Glide would be good but the 14' Glide would be even better..

DJ

goatman
NSW, 2151 posts
7 Feb 2011 12:57PM
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Hey Tomo, I know nothing about this stuff, but the guys that do are raving about the Fanatic 12'6". One of the breezers on here Kissa, regularly smashes guys on 17 footers on his and apparently it is very stable also.

mbuzz
NSW, 261 posts
7 Feb 2011 1:21PM
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I'm in a similar boat (or board) as Tomo77.

Looking at getting my first race board this year and like the idea of keeping it to 12'6 as a lot of the beginner orientated races seem to be limited to this size.

Any thoughts on the Coreban Alpha race vs Naish Glide?

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
7 Feb 2011 9:21PM
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goatman said...

Hey Tomo, I know nothing about this stuff, but the guys that do are raving about the Fanatic 12'6". One of the breezers on here Kissa, regularly smashes guys on 17 footers on his and apparently it is very stable also.


Most of the 17's are Down Wind Boards, with rocker, so they push a little bit of water in flat water, and due to the rocker, you are often left with 15 feet of effective water line.

The Fanatic 12'6 is a "Cutter" built for flat water. Naish Javelin 14 is also a "Flat Water Cutter", and quite unstable for top heavy riders, compared to other boards (like Glide 17, and Glide 14, and 12'6 Fanatic).

In flat water, a "brilliant powerful engine" on a 12'6 Cutter will often beat a "less finely tuned engine" on a 17 DW board!

PS - forget the Glide 12 unless you are a Light Weight!

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
7 Feb 2011 9:31PM
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mbuzz said...


Any thoughts on the Naish Glide?


14 Glide is a Down Wind Specialist with more than capable all-round capabilities. If you can already surf, it is actually quite a fun cruiser on "Straight Handers". Think, "The Duke, Waikiki" style of riding.

The 14 Javelin (Glide) is pure flat water racing, and can a bit "tippy" in rougher flat water, for Top Heavy Paddlers. However, in pure flat river conditions, The Javelin will always beat the 14 DW Glide (like for like paddlers).

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
7 Feb 2011 9:36PM
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Can someone (DJ) put up the links to Seabreeze Board Reviews (the two Naish 14's). Naish website is not very good at showing the difference. But when you see a dozen photos of each, you can see the two 14's are actually vastly different, but actually share a relatively similar template (plan shape). But rocker and rails etc are radically different to each other.

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
7 Feb 2011 9:39PM
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DavidJohn said...

The 12' Glide would be good but the 14' Glide would be even better..

DJ


No, 17!

The Jamie Mitchell board looks good too! I'm hanging to borrow one of these and do some time trial testing.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/Surftech-Lahui-Kai-Mitcho-Bark-Dominator-14s/

SurfAnimals - get yourself a course, and a stop watch, and give us the Time Results. No turns. Just a straight flat course.

goatman
NSW, 2151 posts
8 Feb 2011 10:20AM
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Simondo said...

The Fanatic 12'6 is a "Cutter" built for flat water.


I think Dave Kissane and Sam might disagree. You should have seen Dave smash it in 40 knots, keeping up with Andy Davies on a 17 foot Naish and surfing back and forth across the runners!!

jt737
QLD, 418 posts
8 Feb 2011 10:19AM
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Hi Tomo
Have just bought a DC 12'6 and love it. Very fast, runs well and Dale Chapman on Gold coast has the ability to make one for you to suit making it a little wider etc to suit your build and weight, worth giving him a call to discuss options. ( I have no ties to above save being a happy customer). I use mine for fitness, cruising and hope to learn the art of downwinders. Agree a bigger board preferably with a rudder system are the best for downwinders, but the 12'6 is a great all round size for me.

I rode several others, not all that are available on the market and found some just did not suit me, so recommend you do test as many as able first.




Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
8 Feb 2011 12:56PM
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goatman said...

Simondo said...

The Fanatic 12'6 is a "Cutter" built for flat water.


I think Dave Kissane and Sam might disagree. You should have seen Dave smash it in 40 knots, keeping up with Andy Davies on a 17 foot Naish and surfing back and forth across the runners!!


Yes, I read about that DW Run !!
But nah, it is a "cutter" built for flat water. Yes, they work quite well in DW conditions, but that is not what they were primarily built for.
I already said a good engine on a 12'6 will keep up with a 17. 17's come into their own in about 10-15 knots+. At 10 knots, they will latch onto little bumps/runners with power assistance, and glide 1-2 foot further on each runner, compared to the shorter boards.


goatman
NSW, 2151 posts
8 Feb 2011 1:35PM
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Simondo said...


I already said a good engine on a 12'6 will keep up with a 17. 17's come into their own in about 10-15 knots+. At 10 knots, they will latch onto little bumps/runners with power assistance, and glide 1-2 foot further on each runner, compared to the shorter boards.



Using that logic for the Fanatic 12'6", Andy should have smashed Dave in 30 - 40 knots on a 17! (Andy just got 3rd overall at the Doctor race so is no slouch)

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
8 Feb 2011 6:30PM
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goatman said...

Simondo said...


I already said a good engine on a 12'6 will keep up with a 17. 17's come into their own in about 10-15 knots+. At 10 knots, they will latch onto little bumps/runners with power assistance, and glide 1-2 foot further on each runner, compared to the shorter boards.



Using that logic for the Fanatic 12'6", Andy should have smashed Dave in 30 - 40 knots on a 17! (Andy just got 3rd overall at the Doctor race so is no slouch)




Too technical !!?? Yes, as it get windier, up around 25+ knots, then the advantage of the 17 is diminished. Smaller boards are able to catch long runner like the big boards. As per the Photo in the other post... there is a pretty big runner actually breaking quite strongly!

Over a 3km course in the following conditions, with Like for Like Paddlers...;
Naish 17 v's Fanatic 12'6
River Conditions, no wind - 17 will probably still win, but not by much (from memory this was the result from testing day)
DW Ocean, 5-15 knots - 17 should smash it !
DW Ocean, 20-35 knots - 17 will probably win, but not by too much.

Keep in mind that the boards are effectively 2 classes apart.... 12'6, 14, Unlimited (17's)....

I AGREE Goaty, there is nothing wrong with the 12'6 !!

Those slicing / cutting / cutter noses are awesome, but when the wind starts to pick up a little, the nose can get a bit "catchy" in cross chop.

That DC looks sweet too !!



tomo77
NSW, 26 posts
8 Feb 2011 10:00PM
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Guys thanks heaps for all your input. Im getting the feeling that i should be looking at 14ft boards?? Would you recommend just skipping the 12.6ft all together and going straight to 14ft?
Seems to be a lot of talk on the bigger boards..

Simondo
VIC, 8025 posts
8 Feb 2011 10:18PM
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Cutting to the chase...

I think this F-16 would be great.... This board is orientated to DW & touring. But also a competent race board in cross chop, but won't be as fast as the F-18 (F-16's big brother!).

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Stand%20Up%20Paddle/~rs4ze/2008-F16-Sic-Sandwich-Island-Composites-F16-16-0.aspx?search=uQNVTXNc1pVmLaT%2fQ5QGqg%3d%3d
http://www.sicmaui.com/f16.htm

This DC would also be nice....

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Stand%20Up%20Paddle/~btisf/2009-Dale-Chapman-Race-Board-Full-Carbon-Wrap-16-0.aspx?search=uQNVTXNc1pVmLaT%2fQ5QGqg%3d%3d

What do you weight "tomo77"?

tomo77
NSW, 26 posts
8 Feb 2011 10:45PM
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I weigh 76 kgs and am 5ft9 tall.

dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
8 Feb 2011 11:08PM
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get a DC hands down custom is good!

sue d
NSW, 8 posts
10 Feb 2011 3:06PM
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Try the new Jamie Mitchell design 12'6''.

proving itself on the water at Currumbin every morning as the fastest board there.

a new design from the same shapers as used by Jamie for the last few years. I am loving it and it surfs unreal.

sue d
NSW, 8 posts
10 Feb 2011 3:09PM
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Saw it trailed against other boards especially the Luikai and DC. Much faster
When you can leave Travis Grant behind you know its fast.

Used and won at Perth (the Doctor race) by Jacko.

pouncer1975
WA, 12 posts
12 Feb 2011 5:19PM
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Starboards have a few models.I think its actually a US brand but they have had some amazing results and success in the flat too. You can tell by their shapes that they have their finger on the pulse. Its hard to judge which are better as the top brands are all very similar. It usually comes down to the engine on the top.

hilly
WA, 8041 posts
13 Feb 2011 4:38PM
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sue d said...


When you can leave Travis Grant behind you know its fast.


I would like to see that



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