I'm looking to get onto a 14 foot board from a 12,6 that I would use for flat water paddling only. The board that I have been paddling was 250ltrs and I'm 100-105kg.
I some time felt that it would be better for me to be on a higher volume board, say, 290-330ltr's.
The thing is that I know that going to a 14 ft board will give me better glide through the water, but how much does volume play into it?? I'm looking for stability as well so a 28"min to 30" wide board is what I'll get.
Have been looking at the 30" naish glide, but thats brings another question into it. does a lighter sup compensate for a lack of volume. Others I've considered are 285ltr barks or naish glide 29", the bark being a lighter board as well. Also the Bic 14' Tracer looks good if I can get one in Perth.
Any opinions from those more experienced than me would be greatly appreciated.
thanks.
dave.
Select to expand quote1) dave.h said..
I'm looking to get onto a 14 foot board from a 12,6 that I would use for flat water paddling only. The board that I have been paddling was 250ltrs and I'm 100-105kg.
I some time felt that it would be better for me to be on a higher volume board, say, 290-330ltr's.
The thing is that I know that going to a 14 ft board will give me better glide through the water, but how much does volume play into it??
Select to expand quote2)I'm looking for stability as well so a 28"min to 30" wide board is what I'll get.
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3)Have been looking at the 30" naish glide, but thats brings another question into it. does a lighter sup compensate for a lack of volume.
Select to expand quote4)Others I've considered are 285ltr barks or naish glide 29", the bark being a lighter board as well. Also the Bic 14' Tracer looks good if I can get one in Perth.
Any opinions from those more experienced than me would be greatly appreciated.
thanks.
dave.
I splitted your post in a couple of seperate questions and try to anwser them as good as I can, I,m 90kg so a bit lighter as you but still above average and paddle in the waves on waveboards and used to do a lot race/touring on flat water. Unfortunally last year way to little due injury,s but I know the flatwater thing.
1) Volume and length. A longer board glide longer and is faster but only when both boards has a decent rocker.Example: I have an Starboard Allstar 12.6x26.5 , it is a lot faster in flatwater as the 14x30 Angulo from a friend of me. No doubt the Angulo will be faster on DW, but the board has too much rocker and is pushing the water in frot of it instead of cutting through. So first thing needed to be faster is a decent flat rocker.Volume is important in a way that if a board is too deep in the water the shape won,t work efficient. If its too voluminious its like a cork, getting you standing high above the water and that is less stable and catches a lot of side wind. so the volume has to be right.Example: I paddled the hollow Naish 12.6x23 what was build for 75kg max. I could easily balance it, but i pushed by my weight the board too deep in the water making the shape less efficient cutting through it as with a lighter paddler on it. More or less the same happenend when I swapped my Sprint14x26 with a friend on a Sprint 14x24. i pushed the board jut too deep and lost speed with it.My lighter friend was too high above the water with my 26 wide board and rocking in every direction by the slightest piece of chop. Both were faster on our own boards that was weightwise reccomenend.
2) I think with your weight and wanting stability 30 can be great, but a 14is already a lot more stable as a 12.6 in my experience so I would it decide on the adviced weight for that board. Personally I can with 90kg easily paddle a 24, but again, due the volume a 26er is for me faster and more efficient so why make live difficult ;)If I wouldnt race, it would be a 30 for sure (as well as ropes on the deck to bring stuff along).
3) Lighter weight is easier to accellerate and alter course as a higher weight, but it doesnt compensate volume. When you have an exact copy of a shape and one is 3kg heavier as the other the heavier board has in theory 3l less volume but this is still peanuts on the total so nobody notice it on the floatation (but do in acceleration and handeling).
4) I really like Starboards, but for the heavier guy on flatwater only the Barks are imo hard to beat. I love the way they cut through the water.
the glides are great allrounders, but if you know you paddle 90% on flatwater it makes a lot more sense to buy a board that is really good in that instead of an allrounder for that seldom day you paddle somewhere else.
I have no experience on the Bic, so can,t comment that, but if it was me...Bark all the way.
I,m not sure if I can race anymore due injury,s and considder a 14 ft JM as well as they are just awesome touring boards. My former Sprint14x26 is faster, but less comfortable and a lot more fragile.Hope this will help a bit although I have no doubt that others can explain it better.
The SIC X14 in SCC construction is fast, light, stable, and copes with all conditions well. So it might be another that fits your criteria. It's got the best handle in the business too.
Mate I think being in the over 100 kg club you need a 14 to get most glide out of your stroke. I am also still (just) in the over 100 kg and I was 125 kg when I started 4 years ago.
I have gone from a heavy construction 14 x 30 Angulo Shaka which was stable but heavy, which made it slow compared to others, also I was heavier but it is slower and the shape is made for DW
I paddled the prior Naish Glide 14 x 30 which was much lighter, and a more friendly shape for all water. It was heaps quicker than the shaka and stable to boot. I would have been still paddling this, but my partner bought the SIC V2 14 and she said "if you surf this you won't give it back" - she knows me well I surfed it and bought her a new on, so she actually never got her original board back (theres a back story to this 
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So the SIC is narrower and I was wedded to the 30" rule. But its stable, and quick and surfs well so i am super happy.So in summary, a 14 is the go, think about what you paddle I would prefer an allwater over a flatwater board, cause we get wind and chop and paddle the ocean and sometimes DW. I would suggest looking at the 2014 Naish Glide, one I also liked in Starboard was the touring, its a great allround board and of course right now SIC V2 14 
Good luck
I doubt if the weight of the Shaka was the problem. It was was actually slower as my Allstar 12.6 but from what I felt mainly because its really pushing a lot of water in front of the nose. I paddled a AST Starboard that was even heavier as the Shaka, and the AST was 100% sure faster.When you are pulling really really powerfull strokes and do a lot of acceleration in sprints or after buoy turns weight will matter, but I doubt if it is a huge influence once you are in a cadance and simply gliding. Would be difference when you would be planing like a DWer
Downwind, planing hull, boards go fast downwind. They are slow in flat water.
Flat water race boards go fast in flat water. They may or may not be fast going downwind, depending on the conditions and who is paddling it.
So you've got to be sure to compare like-with-like. The Shaka is a very good entry-level DW or open ocean board. It is tough and stable and makes a comfortable coastal cruiser, and in big DW conditions (ie. 30 knots+ and waist-high+ bumps) it really flies. But a board like that is never going to be fast in flat water. It's not what is was designed for.
Select to expand quoteJeroensurf said..1) dave.h said..
I'm looking to get onto a 14 foot board from a 12,6 that I would use for flat water paddling only. The board that I have been paddling was 250ltrs and I'm 100-105kg.
I some time felt that it would be better for me to be on a higher volume board, say, 290-330ltr's.
The thing is that I know that going to a 14 ft board will give me better glide through the water, but how much does volume play into it??
2)I'm looking for stability as well so a 28"min to 30" wide board is what I'll get.
3)Have been looking at the 30" naish glide, but thats brings another question into it. does a lighter sup compensate for a lack of volume.
4)Others I've considered are 285ltr barks or naish glide 29", the bark being a lighter board as well. Also the Bic 14' Tracer looks good if I can get one in Perth.
Any opinions from those more experienced than me would be greatly appreciated.
thanks.
dave.
I splitted your post in a couple of seperate questions and try to anwser them as good as I can, I,m 90kg so a bit lighter as you but still above average and paddle in the waves on waveboards and used to do a lot race/touring on flat water. Unfortunally last year way to little due injury,s but I know the flatwater thing.
1) Volume and length. A longer board glide longer and is faster but only when both boards has a decent rocker.Example: I have an Starboard Allstar 12.6x26.5 , it is a lot faster in flatwater as the 14x30 Angulo from a friend of me. No doubt the Angulo will be faster on DW, but the board has too much rocker and is pushing the water in frot of it instead of cutting through. So first thing needed to be faster is a decent flat rocker.Volume is important in a way that if a board is too deep in the water the shape won,t work efficient. If its too voluminious its like a cork, getting you standing high above the water and that is less stable and catches a lot of side wind. so the volume has to be right.Example: I paddled the hollow Naish 12.6x23 what was build for 75kg max. I could easily balance it, but i pushed by my weight the board too deep in the water making the shape less efficient cutting through it as with a lighter paddler on it. More or less the same happenend when I swapped my Sprint14x26 with a friend on a Sprint 14x24. i pushed the board jut too deep and lost speed with it.My lighter friend was too high above the water with my 26 wide board and rocking in every direction by the slightest piece of chop. Both were faster on our own boards that was weightwise reccomenend.
2) I think with your weight and wanting stability 30 can be great, but a 14is already a lot more stable as a 12.6 in my experience so I would it decide on the adviced weight for that board. Personally I can with 90kg easily paddle a 24, but again, due the volume a 26er is for me faster and more efficient so why make live difficult ;)If I wouldnt race, it would be a 30 for sure (as well as ropes on the deck to bring stuff along).
3) Lighter weight is easier to accellerate and alter course as a higher weight, but it doesnt compensate volume. When you have an exact copy of a shape and one is 3kg heavier as the other the heavier board has in theory 3l less volume but this is still peanuts on the total so nobody notice it on the floatation (but do in acceleration and handeling).
4) I really like Starboards, but for the heavier guy on flatwater only the Barks are imo hard to beat. I love the way they cut through the water.
the glides are great allrounders, but if you know you paddle 90% on flatwater it makes a lot more sense to buy a board that is really good in that instead of an allrounder for that seldom day you paddle somewhere else.
I have no experience on the Bic, so can,t comment that, but if it was me...Bark all the way.
I,m not sure if I can race anymore due injury,s and considder a 14 ft JM as well as they are just awesome touring boards. My former Sprint14x26 is faster, but less comfortable and a lot more fragile.Hope this will help a bit although I have no doubt that others can explain it better.
Thanks for the feed back.
I think that a board 275-300ltrs will be the best for me.have looked at a 2015 29"glide and it does look the goods for me and the family(more for me than them).
bit heavy but nice shape. probably would be lighter and more efficient boards on flat water, but it will depend on whats available hear in perth and cost. I'm still interested in the Bic Tracer as it looks like it ticks most of the boxes for me, but like most boards, there is not one in perth, or any one to give a comparison against other boards similar.
As for the JM 14, I've just gone from a JM 12,6, which was great, but a bit small. The 14' is longer but about the same volume.
There are quite a few boards that I could get in Perth in the 250-260ltr range but I think they would not be much of an up-size that I'm after.
I don't want to spend $3000 on a board, but I'd look at a Starboard 14x28 allstar in glass construction if the price is right and if I could get one in Perth. Have seen them for sale in the east for under $2200 new, but as any one who lives in the west knows, it is usually more expensive for the same thing here. Don't take this comment as truth, as I have yet to enquire on $$ yet, but that is common for most things here compared to east.
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Imo the volume number don,t mean lot.
I really doubt if they are something else as rough estimations. Besides that volume doesnt say everything about float. Width and shape are as important to how a board float as just bare volume due the water surface tension (not sure if that is a decent translation from dutch to English).My 12.6 Allstar (260l) and 14Sprint (277l) did only have a volume difference of 17l. I windsurf and SUP a lot in the waves and the volume felt a LOT bigger as just 17l , mainly due the longer water line. IMO every 250+ volume board of 30 would be very easy to paddle for you and the ones with the square tails are pretty floaty and secure when you step back as well.Boardswise I have no clue what they offer in Perth as it is for me the other side of the world. I do know that you guys are spoiled in Australia with often better weather, better conditions and on most places more gear options as we have as well.You might not see that, but gearwise Australia is pretty much on the fore front on SUPgear, especially compared to Europe.
Select to expand quoteJeroensurf said..
Imo the volume number don,t mean lot.
I really doubt if they are something else as rough estimations. Besides that volume doesnt say everything about float. Width and shape are as important to how a board float as just bare volume due the water surface tension (not sure if that is a decent translation from dutch to English).My 12.6 Allstar (260l) and 14Sprint (277l) did only have a volume difference of 17l. I windsurf and SUP a lot in the waves and the volume felt a LOT bigger as just 17l , mainly due the longer water line. IMO every 250+ volume board of 30 would be very easy to paddle for you and the ones with the square tails are pretty floaty and secure when you step back as well.Boardswise I have no clue what they offer in Perth as it is for me the other side of the world. I do know that you guys are spoiled in Australia with often better weather, better conditions and on most places more gear options as we have as well.You might not see that, but gearwise Australia is pretty much on the fore front on SUPgear, especially compared to Europe.
thanks again. might not disregard slightly smaller vol boards.
As for gear in Australia, I do think that the east coast of the country seems to have a lot to choose from. not so much here on the west coast.
much smaller market over here and probably the majority are surfing boards rather than flat water.
Select to expand quoteJeroensurf said..
gearwise Australia is pretty much on the fore front on SUPgear, especially compared to Europe.
Ouch! I hope Colas and Kami don't catch up with you :)
