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14' Flatwater touring board for (very) big guy

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Created by magillamelb > 9 months ago, 27 Apr 2013
magillamelb
VIC, 627 posts
27 Apr 2013 2:17PM
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Hi all

I currently have a Starboard Atlas (12' x 33 x 236L) and while it is a great first board, I'm looking at something more dedicated to flatwater/touring on rivers and lakes. I'd class myself as reasonably proficient, but certainly no expert and have not landed on my ass too many times.

At present the only two possibilities I can find are the Starboard Touring Carbon (14' x 30" x 288L) or the Fanatic Falcon Carbon (14' x 30" x 317L). I'm open to any and all other suggestions.

I'm 135kg.

Initial enquiries on the Starboard touring is they may not bring the Carbon model into Australia frequently or at all, and given the Fanatic board is hollow, I may kill it given my size.

I'm highly confident I'll handle the step from a 33" board to at least a 30" board and happy to consider narrower options if there is a very good, suitable board.

Can the wider more experienced SUP community give me some suggestions on anything else I could consider?

Thanks!

paul.j
QLD, 3369 posts
27 Apr 2013 2:35PM
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Hey mate the fanatic boards are not hollow they are foam core like 99% of other SUP's out there. It is a great board for the big guys, nice and stable yet still very quick for its size.

Hope this clears that bit up for you.

Cheers Jacko

Zeusman
QLD, 1363 posts
27 Apr 2013 2:38PM
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What do you weigh?

magillamelb
VIC, 627 posts
27 Apr 2013 2:51PM
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Thanks Paul J for clarifying that.

Zeusman, I'm 135kg

ShireSUP
NSW, 982 posts
27 Apr 2013 5:53PM
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Magilla I had the same problem, and sorta still do.

Jacko as always right the Fanatic will do the job, and having paddled the touring, and even surfed it "badly" it was good.

Fristly i'd question Carbon, at 135 kgs your gonna be able to carry a board and at 135 kgs how much does carbon matter on the water, well thats IMHO, I have the Angulo Shaka and its possibly the heaviest SUP board (other than chinese import) in the world, but i love it 14 x 30 and 300 and something litres, has done the job for 2 yrs, it (and I) will never win a race, but its great to paddle and great in the open ocean, and surfs well too. Finding one might be hard tho.

You might also consider wide DC - there are a few around but again hard to find

i am waiting for JP to bring out a 14, along the lines of the 12'6 that Piros posted in here, but its not due anytime soon.

FWIW when I started i was just a nudge under 130 kgs and am now a nudge on 115 kgs but almost 3 pants sizes smaller.

Good look

Greg

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
27 Apr 2013 5:56PM
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magillamelb said...

Hi all

I currently have a Starboard Atlas (12' x 33 x 236L) and while it is a great first board, I'm looking at something more dedicated to flatwater/touring on rivers and lakes. I'd class myself as reasonably proficient, but certainly no expert and have not landed on my ass too many times.

At present the only two possibilities I can find are the Starboard Touring Carbon (14' x 30" x 288L) or the Fanatic Falcon Carbon (14' x 30" x 317L). I'm open to any and all other suggestions.

I'm 135kg.

Initial enquiries on the Starboard touring is they may not bring the Carbon model into Australia frequently or at all, and given the Fanatic board is hollow, I may kill it given my size.

I'm highly confident I'll handle the step from a 33" board to at least a 30" board and happy to consider narrower options if there is a very good, suitable board.

Can the wider more experienced SUP community give me some suggestions on anything else I could consider?

Thanks!


With all due respect to Jacko, he's about 70kg dripping wet . Most blokes at that end of the game can only theorise about how boards go with a proper cruiserweight on them. I'm only a pie or two behind your weight class (I also have an Atlas) and there's not many big vol boards available in Vic that I haven't been a guinea pig on.

Of those two boards, go the Falcon for sure. I've put in some solid time on both the 14x30 Starby Touring and the 14 x 30 Falcon. IMO the Falcon is more stable and a faster, easier, more versatile craft at your (our) size. The Starby is a nice unit but trim is super critical for a heavy guy...just a little far back and the tail drags (there's not much volume back there to hold you up), step forward a hair and the nose has an annoying tendency to submarine and slow you down. I reckon for rider size it probably tops out around 100kg. The Falcon has a much bigger sweet spot, isn't as tippy and you can really motor it if you step forward a bit and dig in, especially with a change of fin (a big bloke would benefit from changing out the stock fin on most production boards, on this I speak from experience...but that's a whole other topic).

(feel free to pm me if you want to get more of the big boy's perspective on these things).

magillamelb
VIC, 627 posts
27 Apr 2013 6:07PM
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Thanks HC and Greg

I do admire your input. I'm glad I'm not alone in the 'big fella' category.

I will take up your offer HC on the private message. Very interested in what you have to say about fins also. Given I paddle up/down some of Melbourne's rivers most frequently, I've just bought a weed fin out of the UK. about 30% cheaper than the same fin locally.

The carbon thing comes from years of sailing competitively. Everything is carbon, but I guess you're right Greg, if i want to save a few kg's then the best and cheapest option is probably paddle a little harder/longer/more frequently.

Thank you both for the comments!

skebstebamal
QLD, 579 posts
27 Apr 2013 9:25PM
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Hey Magilla! im 95-98 and have the 27.5 carbon falcon. its great volume for me. id reckon the 30 would be tops for u. nice and stable but still very capable of a turn of speed. Your pn the right track checking volumes and widths.. narrow low volume will not work for us heavier guys :)

mmhard
NSW, 72 posts
28 Apr 2013 8:42AM
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Hey mate i have the Fanatic Falcon 14x30 in HRS, and have paddled it as high as 120kgs without any probs, great value in HRS too.

Cheers

magillamelb
VIC, 627 posts
28 Apr 2013 12:31PM
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That's good news. I really appreciate everyone's input. The HRS isn't too heavy?

rager
QLD, 437 posts
28 Apr 2013 1:53PM
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How about a custom DC? He has made boards for some very large blokes like former NBA basketballer Luc Longley and can put the volume where you need it rather than getting a generic shape made for no one in particular. Still surprises me that more people, especially those who don't fit the mould, go out and buy a board off the rack. Considering a custom board is not much more $$ (if any) than a pop out and the resale on them is usually pretty good it would have to be a no brainer. I guess the only downside would be getting a demo on one which after coming from a short board background was never an issue because it was never available anyway.

magillamelb
VIC, 627 posts
28 Apr 2013 3:29PM
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A custom DC is an option provided my budget doesn't fly out the window!

Wouldn't hurt to make a phone call I guess...

rager
QLD, 437 posts
28 Apr 2013 3:58PM
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magillamelb said...
A custom DC is an option provided my budget doesn't fly out the window!

Wouldn't hurt to make a phone call I guess...



Definitely worth giving him a call. Dale is a great bloke and a great craftsman. He makes the entire board himself and does all the glassing, sanding etc.. Make sure you have plenty of time when you call. He loves a chat

mmhard
NSW, 72 posts
28 Apr 2013 7:11PM
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rager said...
How about a custom DC? He has made boards for some very large blokes like former NBA basketballer Luc Longley and can put the volume where you need it rather than getting a generic shape made for no one in particular. Still surprises me that more people, especially those who don't fit the mould, go out and buy a board off the rack. Considering a custom board is not much more $$ (if any) than a pop out and the resale on them is usually pretty good it would have to be a no brainer. I guess the only downside would be getting a demo on one which after coming from a short board background was never an issue because it was never available anyway.


I think customs are great when you know exactly what you want or for competitive racing, but for a "touring board" i thought being able to go to a shop and demo exactly what you are going to get would be a good option and resale on a known brand is going to appeal to a wider population as opposed to a one off specific build targeted to one size person.

I dont know the exact weight of the Falcon but i only ever cary it 100m or so and dont find it heavy (heavier on the way back after a couple of hour paddle though)

rager
QLD, 437 posts
28 Apr 2013 7:43PM
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mmhard said...
rager said...
How about a custom DC? He has made boards for some very large blokes like former NBA basketballer Luc Longley and can put the volume where you need it rather than getting a generic shape made for no one in particular. Still surprises me that more people, especially those who don't fit the mould, go out and buy a board off the rack. Considering a custom board is not much more $$ (if any) than a pop out and the resale on them is usually pretty good it would have to be a no brainer. I guess the only downside would be getting a demo on one which after coming from a short board background was never an issue because it was never available anyway.


I think customs are great when you know exactly what you want or for competitive racing, but for a "touring board" i thought being able to go to a shop and demo exactly what you are going to get would be a good option and resale on a known brand is going to appeal to a wider population as opposed to a one off specific build targeted to one size person.

I dont know the exact weight of the Falcon but i only ever cary it 100m or so and dont find it heavy (heavier on the way back after a couple of hour paddle though)

I agree to a point but for someone 135kg I don't think there is anything on the market suitable. DC is a professional board manufacturer who has been making paddle boards for a wide variety of people for almost a decade and before that was and still is a very renound surfboard shaper. I would have every confidence in him making a board for a guy this size that is better than something off the shelf. After all someone in a shop is only going to be able to sell you what they stock.

magillamelb
VIC, 627 posts
28 Apr 2013 10:19PM
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Gentlemen, I guess it is similar to my world of sailing. You pay a premium for a purpose built machine to (hopefully) be the best thing for you and your purpose. When you sell it you get peanuts for it because it's effectively an orphan, regardless of whether it was designed/built by an industry guru. The flip side is you buy a production product for probably a bit less money, but as production items are, there is compromise, but most likely a greater resale market also.

There is a very valid point in that there is basically nothing made for someone my size. I acknowledge and accept that. My search is for what is effectively the next best thing. At the moment, that appears to be the Fanatic Falcon, based on ( in no particular order) majority opinion, price, perceived resale and availability. I will explore the DC route, but concede my budget has it's limits.

Part of my starting this thread was to explore my options as I didn't know all of what was available and thanks to those that have contributed, my view has shifted somewhat from when i first started going down this path.

Everyone has made me think and consider the points put forward and the more I hear, the better informed I will be when i make a decision.

Thanks!

magillamelb
VIC, 627 posts
29 Apr 2013 12:14PM
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Still very happy to take others points of view though!

Leroy13
VIC, 1174 posts
29 Apr 2013 6:49PM
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Have you thought of one of the old 12'6" x 30.5" white and red Fanatic Fly circa 2011? They are a brilliant board and very, very stable and can handle big weight. You could probably pick up a second hand carbon for around a grand dependant on condition. There's a wood sandwich model in Terrigal for $800.00 in the for sale section. Worth considering I reckon and they can do Flatwater, Downwind and even surf as long as you get the displacement hull out of the water.* Not many for sale - just shows how good they are!!

laceys lane
QLD, 19804 posts
29 Apr 2013 7:21PM
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a falcon 14' x 30" or a dc custom is my call.


actually mate i know a dc 14' x 30" full carbon board that is second hand at dales factory.


the guy only used it a handful of times. strong as and as light as. no expense was spared on this board


i think its going at a bargain price. really excellent condition.

i've a picture of it going back through my files

Leroy13
VIC, 1174 posts
29 Apr 2013 8:11PM
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laceys lane said...
a falcon 14' x 30" or a dc custom is my call.


actually mate i know a dc 14' x 30" full carbon board that is second hand at dales factory.


the guy only used it a handful of times. strong as and as light as. no expense was spared on this board


i think its going at a bargain price. really excellent condition.

i've a picture of it going back through my files




Hey Magilla, that looks like the board you're after. PM Lacey

magillamelb
VIC, 627 posts
29 Apr 2013 11:16PM
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Hey guys, thanks for the tip. I've PM'd Laceys Lane. Hopefully I'll get to know more...

magillamelb
VIC, 627 posts
30 Apr 2013 8:42PM
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Well I can scratch the used DC14 off the list. Has sat there for months and sold 2 hours after i enquired about it...

magillamelb
VIC, 627 posts
16 May 2013 4:41PM
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Well I tried the Carbon Starboard 14' Touring and the HRS Fanatic Falcon. Used the same Paddle, fin and section of water.

The Starboard was first. Far less stable, quite flighty (maybe because it's carbon), very stiff, not that easy to turn, sensitive to weight distribution. Maybe marginally faster.

The Fanatic was way more stable, harder to paddle through the water (it's reasonably heavy), more maneuverable but seemed to glide better. The board would flex under my weight which felt a bit odd.

Not sure if the Carbon Falcon would be stiffer though.

Anyone's thoughts?

Cuttlefish
QLD, 1332 posts
16 May 2013 8:35PM
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Is a fanatic ray out of the question?

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
16 May 2013 9:11PM
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magillamelb said..

Well I tried the Carbon Starboard 14' Touring and the HRS Fanatic Falcon. Used the same Paddle, fin and section of water.

The Starboard was first. Far less stable, quite flighty (maybe because it's carbon), very stiff, not that easy to turn, sensitive to weight distribution. Maybe marginally faster.

The Fanatic was way more stable, harder to paddle through the water (it's reasonably heavy), more maneuverable but seemed to glide better. The board would flex under my weight which felt a bit odd.

Not sure if the Carbon Falcon would be stiffer though.

Anyone's thoughts?


No surprises there. You would have felt the weight in the HRS after the carbon Starby . Interesting that you found the Falcon a bit flexy, I didn't notice much flex, maybe just a little. I spent maybe 20 minutes on the Carbon version in some choppy water back in December, I recall it being plenty stiff and a bit more "punchy" than the HRS. I think the HRS is a bit deceptive though, once up to speed it likes to run and it carries some momentum when it's trimmed right (the sweet spot isn't huge with a heavy rider) In the Gippsland race a couple of weekends ago a much lighter mate trailing me on his 14 x 17 ACE reckoned there were a few sections of small runners with the wind behind us where I just "took off" away from him (he reeled me in later but fair to say that was about my lack of fitness and skill, not the board).

Other than the DC I'm not sure what's out there for you. Coreban Dart might suit, or the 14 x 29 Walk on Water (you'd be welcome to come down and try my WoW sometime for comparison).

(edit: and there's this brand new thing: www.seabreeze.com.au/ the 14 x 30 is 299 litres. Surftech's "Eliminator" is another big boy 14 but I don't know if there are any in the country. Tried the 14 x 30 Surftech Laird a while ago, goes nicely but I found it disconcertingly flexy)

gregc
VIC, 1299 posts
16 May 2013 9:59PM
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I like the Fanatic to be honest and I would suggest that for us more generously proportioned people a carbon race board is the go. Your right the flex you can feel is particularly unsettling and over time I reckon is starts to frustrate you. Just my 2cents worth

magillamelb
VIC, 627 posts
27 May 2013 2:36PM
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Well, after a whole lot of research and study and my ever decreasing bank balance, the 14' x 30" Falcon HRS has won the day.

Left a deposit with the good men at RPS and hope to pick up in a couple of weeks.

Thanks everyone for your input. I really appreciate it!

HumanCartoon
VIC, 2098 posts
27 May 2013 5:34PM
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magillamelb said..

Well, after a whole lot of research and study and my ever decreasing bank balance, the 14' x 30" Falcon HRS has won the day.

Left a deposit with the good men at RPS and hope to pick up in a couple of weeks.

Thanks everyone for your input. I really appreciate it!


nice one...we'll see you on the water



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