New to Sailing - Advice Required

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moffchar
moffchar
QLD
32 posts
QLD, 32 posts
2 Jul 2008 6:58pm
Hi All,

My dad is soon to retire and mum wants to buy him a sail boat or cat. I no nothing about this topic so thought I would seek your assistance.

Requirements:
Can be sailed by himself or can take one or two friends out.
Quick to set up (his patient levels rigging a boat for an hour would be greatly tested)
Could fit in a standard garage and can be towed by a Ford Falcon.
Something he can get out and about and have fun on rather than anything competitive

Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I know dad will love getting out on the water.

Cheers
Moffchar
catmaster
catmaster
10 posts
10 posts
3 Jul 2008 2:27pm
Moff

Your range is limited, a boat that can handle 2-3 people and can fit into a standard garage can be a bit difficult. A 14 foot cat would be easy to rig and fit into a standard garage, but would struggle with 2-3 people.

There is the NACRA sirocco
http://www.nacraxtreme.com/fun_boats.html#sirocco

which I saw down Tassie way. Looked great was easy to rig and he can go 1up. There is a dealer in Brisbane and I think the link I've attached is to there...

Cheers

Scott
F11Sailor
F11Sailor
NSW
1 posts
NSW, 1 posts
16 Jul 2008 12:01am
Moff. the easiest and best and most fun and simplist and over all best boat that fits your criteria is a Laser 4.7. or a Laser Radial. it is a about 12 ft long has one mast without staysand just one, normal sail. it goes pretty fast when its trimmed right and is a very forgiving boat. and best of all, theyre cheap. you can pick one up thats a few seasons old for about $5000 with a mast boom and 2 sails. attatched are a few pics of a laser. i think you will find it fits the profile perfectly







send a message back and tell me what you think and if you have any other questions, dont hesitate


Ohf Shore
Ohf Shore
WA
65 posts
WA, 65 posts
19 Jul 2008 10:19pm
Sorry but you guys have to be joking, right?

I understand that this bloke isnt interested in going fast, or getting too wet so there goes the Laser and racing cats. Too technical as well.

If you are after a real simple mono, that can be sailed single handed, that can fit in a garage well look into a red witch. POS boats but his options are limited with the information above.

The Red witch can take a few people. Strong little boats.

There are a number of cruising cats/tris on the markets but nothing that would really fit in a garage....well a normal garage.

best of luck
jedda
jedda
WA
110 posts
WA, 110 posts
20 Jul 2008 10:54pm
It would need to be a really large garage to fit a "Witch". Most have a fixed keel and would be out-of-the-question for a garage. Great old boat, yes, but doesn't fit the bill.
mabbott
mabbott
NSW
53 posts
NSW, 53 posts
22 Jul 2008 6:15pm
If you are not interested in racing and not that flexible ie trying to get under the boom, then a simple boat for cruising with a couple of people would be the Hartley TS16, it is 16ft in length as the name indicates. Personally I've never owned one. Could be worth considering. Not that expensive.

A helpful link is http://home.iprimus.com.au/youngenr/ts16/index.htm. Has some pictures and general info.

Cheers Mark
ultimate16
ultimate16
1 posts
1 posts
23 Jul 2008 9:15pm
Hi

your dad probably needs a trailer sailer - there are loads to choose from. They are fairly stable, he won't get wet and he can take two or three crew easily. They usually have an outboard engine which is great for saftey, light wind days and taking non-sailers (your mum?) up rivers or out on calm days.

The Falcon is ideal for towing and can handle fairly large trailer sailers (22 - 24ft) but start small - I sail an Ultimate 16 which is cheap, fun and simple. The Hartley is a cheaper alternative but wooden boats need more maintenance.

It does take 45 minutes to rig and I take the whole day when I go sailing but believe me he'll love a trailer sailer. You can sleep on it, make coffee on the way, take grandkids along and send them below to play with toys when they get bored!

If rigging is a real problem try leaving it at a marina during teh summer 'on the hard' with the mast up.

Any 16-17 footer should fit in a garage, larger ones need more hight as well as length!

Google the Ultimate owners association to start with but also look at smaller Farrs, Sonatas, the Dennis, Castle and many more.

Hope this helps
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
11 Aug 2008 9:08pm
mabbott said...

If you are not interested in racing and not that flexible ie trying to get under the boom, then a simple boat for cruising with a couple of people would be the Hartley TS16, it is 16ft in length as the name indicates. Personally I've never owned one. Could be worth considering. Not that expensive.

A helpful link is http://home.iprimus.com.au/youngenr/ts16/index.htm. Has some pictures and general info.

Cheers Mark


I second this suggestion! TS16s are great fun to sail and there's a big racing class for them. Proabaly best for only 2 people, but for 3 you could go for a TS18 or even TS21 (although that might be tight in the garage). I've never seen one but might accomodate 3 people a bit better.

I also really like the Cole23 or a RL24 for cruising yachts, but again you would need a big garage!

Before he forks out any cash though it might pay to take him down to your local sailing club and get him to crew for someone else, firstly to get experience and secondly to make sure he enjoys it. Owning your own boat can be quite stressfull at times.

moffchar
moffchar
QLD
32 posts
QLD, 32 posts
14 Aug 2008 3:05pm
Thanks for all your different ideas and advice, greatly appreciated. Someone has suggested a Hobie 16 or Hobie Wave. Are these worth looking at or should I steer clear of them?
Pete MBBC
Pete MBBC
1 posts
1 posts
19 Aug 2008 10:29am
Hi,
Might I suggest you go down to your local yacht club on race day morning with your gear in a bag ready to go. If it is anything like our club there are always skippers looking for keen crew. Many clubs have social races, no spinnakers etc which are ideal for beginners. Cost effective too!
Cheers
Peter
Yachty Boy
Yachty Boy
42 posts
42 posts
19 Aug 2008 3:07pm
Hobies tend to be alot more expensive when it comes to, sails, parts etc...

You might like to have a look at these ex resort model siroccos, ideal boats simple and cheap.

www.tradingpost.com.au/Marine/Sail-Non-Power/Sailing-Boats-Yachts/AdNumber=TP000300549?BackToResult=true

Leigh
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